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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:40 PM Jun 2018

Last night was a bad night for concern trolls


The Dems exceeded by 6-12% their primary turnout in California as compared to 2016 in almost all districts.

They weren't shutout in ANY district from getting on the ballot.

44% of the women candidates that ran won.

"Establishment" candidates kicked ass.... Bernie-backed candidates performed poorly.


America wants a sane center-left opposition party to take on Trump.


And today... we see the generic ballot back up to +7 for Dems according to Quinnipiac.


Blue Wave is still rolling...
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Last night was a bad night for concern trolls (Original Post) scheming daemons Jun 2018 OP
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #1
Well they were shut out in CA-08 but... Stargleamer Jun 2018 #2
I think that was decided, or undecided for the Democrats, sometime today - 2nd and 3rd were only... George II Jun 2018 #12
George II Haggis for Breakfast Jun 2018 #14
I was wondering about that, too. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #23
I checked the California Sec of State's Office rpannier Jun 2018 #33
The Eighth is deep red. RandySF Jun 2018 #28
Yup - +15 Trump. dbackjon Jun 2018 #39
I am still concerned lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #3
I had been concerned about that race, too, but thought it was decided?! deurbano Jun 2018 #13
Only Denham is confirmed for the November ballot lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #15
More nail biting... deurbano Jun 2018 #17
That is why I am very unhappy with the way we run our primaries in California for all races except still_one Jun 2018 #31
Steve Kornacke and Brian Williams almost concern trolled me Greybnk48 Jun 2018 #4
If Kornacke ever put his hands in his pockets he'd probably start mumbling.... George II Jun 2018 #11
I love Steve! kag Jun 2018 #38
I agree Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #40
Kornacki makes horse races out of blowouts just to keep people watching. redstateblues Jun 2018 #52
I like watching him, too. He's "the numbers guy" and he's good at it! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2018 #54
So did I. I didn't watch anything except for Maddow and O'Donnell Tuesday night. calimary Jun 2018 #48
Glad you put that tired, bogus insult "establishment" Cha Jun 2018 #5
Good summary. Thanks. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #6
Remember the GOP wants us to lose hope sharedvalues Jun 2018 #7
This is something we need to remember 4now Jun 2018 #9
Agreed. nt c-rational Jun 2018 #10
THIS! calimary Jun 2018 #49
Concern trolls and chicken littles were out in full force 4now Jun 2018 #8
I admit to being a chicken little and concern troll...I want to take the House and stop Orange slime Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #18
I did think you were unnecessarily worrying too much. . . Stargleamer Jun 2018 #53
can't we all just get along? tiredtoo Jun 2018 #16
+1 PDittie Jun 2018 #35
+2 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #41
I agree about divisivness but I suggest that is done by Jane Sanders, OR and Sen. Sanders... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #46
Agreed. calimary Jun 2018 #50
In all fairness grantcart Jun 2018 #19
The California Dem party should try to limit the # of Dems in any race to 2 or 3 scheming daemons Jun 2018 #24
I don't think it is working that well in California. and I am a Californian. 27 candidates for still_one Jun 2018 #32
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2018 #20
The media tried hard to spin it... tavernier Jun 2018 #21
I'm concerned... brooklynite Jun 2018 #22
That's somewhat balanced out by the national party not having to spend as much where it's Dem v. Dem Garrett78 Jun 2018 #30
Very Concerning echler Jun 2018 #25
CNN Late Night was the worst RandySF Jun 2018 #26
Dem primary turnout in Iowa all time high by a mile Cicada Jun 2018 #27
I believe Dems were shut out of CA-8, where Cook would probably win anyway. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #29
As of now, it is two Republikkans rpannier Jun 2018 #34
Remind me what "establishment" candidates are going to do for a nation so lost and struggling to Magoo48 Jun 2018 #36
You mean like these are doing? ehrnst Jun 2018 #45
Mahalo for that, ehrnst. Seems some Cha Jun 2018 #56
They're WINNING and Helping to take back Cha Jun 2018 #55
Agreed Gothmog Jun 2018 #37
k and r, and thank you for the breakdown!! niyad Jun 2018 #42
That reminds me to send another check to Ernie ucrdem Jun 2018 #43
ImWithBlue🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊 oasis Jun 2018 #44
...Blue wave is still rolling... GetRidOfThem Jun 2018 #47
K&R Cary Jun 2018 #51

Stargleamer

(2,728 posts)
2. Well they were shut out in CA-08 but...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jun 2018

Shut the republicans out in 8 or more other districts, so perhaps overall it was good

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. I think that was decided, or undecided for the Democrats, sometime today - 2nd and 3rd were only...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jun 2018

...a few hundred votes apart.

rpannier

(24,927 posts)
33. I checked the California Sec of State's Office
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 05:12 AM
Jun 2018

It's Cook (R) and Donnelly (R)
Doyle may or may not choose to challenge it
But, the SoS has it two Republikkans

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
3. I am still concerned
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jun 2018

but only about my congressional district... CA-10

Representative Jeff Denham is seeking a fourth term in California’s 10th District, an area of the Central Valley centered on Modesto, and three Democrats are vying to challenge him: Michael Eggman, a farmer who has run against Mr. Denham twice before; Josh Harder, a venture capitalist; and Virginia Madueño, a public relations executive. The race was close in 2016, and Hillary Clinton won the district, making it a target for Democrats this year.

CANDIDATE PARTY VOTE PCT.
Jeff Denham* Republican 24,640 37.7%
Josh Harder Democrat 10,244 15.7
Ted Howze Republican 9,394 14.4
Others 21,064 32.2
65,342 votes, 100% reporting (477 of 477 precincts)

Harder has not yet been certified to come in second. If Howze makes up the difference... I will not have a Democrat to vote for come November.

deurbano

(2,986 posts)
13. I had been concerned about that race, too, but thought it was decided?!
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:58 PM
Jun 2018

Geez, our SF mayoral race might not be decided for another two weeks. I hope i don't have to keep worrying about Modesto, too! (Of course, in SF the mayor will be a Democrat, no matter what... so not really the same issue.)

I posted this on another thread:

<<My MIL used to be very involved in the Democratic party in Modesto, so she is not the typical, under-informed voter. Yet, when she came to see our younger daughter perform in a dance recital in SF last Saturday, she had already mailed in her ballot with a vote for a Democratic candidate who had no chance of coming in first or second in CA 10. She wanted Denham (R) out, but wasn't thinking through the prioritizing needed to make that happen, and just thought anti-Denham sentiment would ensure one of the Dems would make it into the top two. She was enthusiastic about her choice and had even attended a house party for the candidate, and that enthusiasm and participation should be encouraged... but within the constraints of a normal primary. >>

i think there were three other Dems on the ballot in addition to the three you mentioned, and my MIL's choice was one of those other three. I really hate the "nonpartisan" primary.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
31. That is why I am very unhappy with the way we run our primaries in California for all races except
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 04:49 AM
Jun 2018

President. Add that to the fact that we have a semi-open primary, where non-Democrats are allowed to help decide who should be the Democratic nominee, and as far as I am concerned if not this time, it will eventually bite us

Unfortunately, I doubt it will ever get rolled back by a proposition. The NPP voters like it the way it is

Greybnk48

(10,724 posts)
4. Steve Kornacke and Brian Williams almost concern trolled me
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jun 2018

into a coma. When I thought the next sentence out of Williams' mouth was going to be "Democrats are known for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory," I shut off the T.V. and came to DU to see what was what in CA and elsewhere.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. If Kornacke ever put his hands in his pockets he'd probably start mumbling....
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:45 PM
Jun 2018

....what's with all the phony exaggerated hand gestures? Really? And he probably spends a half hour every morning arranging those rolled up sleeves of his, and IRON those freaking khakis he wears!!!

Brian Williams? Well he just puts me to sleep. If ever I'm suffering from insomnia I just pop in a DVD of one of his shows, I'm asleep within minutes.

kag

(4,197 posts)
38. I love Steve!
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 12:00 PM
Jun 2018

His hand gestures don't bother me at all. What I love about him is his freakishly detailed knowledge of whatever election he happens to be talking about. And it's not just that he studies it (of course he does) but he understands the nuances of why things happen the way they do.

I will watch any show on MSNBC (even Tweety) when Steve is at the "big board".

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
52. Kornacki makes horse races out of blowouts just to keep people watching.
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:28 PM
Jun 2018

There have been several primaries that he hyped all week that turned out to be not even close. This week he touted that “it could be a disaster” for Democrats. It wasn’t. I’m tired of his act

Rhiannon12866

(255,595 posts)
54. I like watching him, too. He's "the numbers guy" and he's good at it!
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 01:49 AM
Jun 2018

During any election night, he's the guy you want to weigh in on how things are shaping up!

calimary

(90,039 posts)
48. So did I. I didn't watch anything except for Maddow and O'Donnell Tuesday night.
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:57 PM
Jun 2018

Just refused. All day Monday they were busy building coffins for the Blue Wave and all things Democratic. I'd had enough.

Kornacki makes me crazy. GOD does he need to switch to decaf! That desperate panting horserace crap is just that: CRAP. Yeah, I know, the bosses think it makes for drama, edge-of-yer-seat entertainment, would-be cliff-hangers, excitement, and more. I think it makes for excess stomach acid, sleeplessness, discouragement, and depression. And I don't care to play, thankyouverymuch.

Thank you, DU. I got all the news I needed from here.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
5. Glad you put that tired, bogus insult "establishment"
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jun 2018

in quotes.

Yes, the Brilliant Dems Kicked Ass!

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
7. Remember the GOP wants us to lose hope
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jun 2018

The GOP and America’s enemies (mostly enemies of Western democracy) want us to lose hope. So one of their propaganda approaches is to incite despair.

Don’t give in. Stay positive. We are going to win. Keep working.

calimary

(90,039 posts)
49. THIS!
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 06:59 PM
Jun 2018

They're counting on us getting discouraged and staying home, huddled in our corners and sucking our thumbs - and certainly not getting out there and voting and being counted. Not gonna play. And DEFINITELY not gonna give up early and throw the game.

Indivisible groups in your area are HIGHLY recommended.

4now

(1,598 posts)
8. Concern trolls and chicken littles were out in full force
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jun 2018

this time.
I hope we learned something.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
18. I admit to being a chicken little and concern troll...I want to take the House and stop Orange slime
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jun 2018

so badly and I knew how important California was and all those Dems running made it too close for my comfort...so glad it ended well. Californians who understand the process better were not worried so that made me feel somewhat better.

Stargleamer

(2,728 posts)
53. I did think you were unnecessarily worrying too much. . .
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jun 2018

remember, that in California on election night, things typically can often look really bad at first because conservative votes tend to be counted first, but then as the night wears on, things start looking better and better. It has been that way in California for years now. I remember sweating out parental notification initiatives until 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, until at last the "no" vote overtook the "yes" vote for good.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
16. can't we all just get along?
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:07 PM
Jun 2018

How about we enjoy our victories rather than posting divisive stuff.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
35. +1
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:19 AM
Jun 2018

"Bernie-backed candidates performed poorly."

First of all it is not accurate. Just a couple of weeks ago, the narrative was the opposite, in fact.

These momentum-related things have an ebb and flow to them. Extrapolating "America wants ... " is fraught with poor analysis and logic. There will be time for gloating later (but gloating over one side of the Democratic Caucus is still the wrong way to go into November).

Secondly there's a rule in this forum about supporting Democrats, not just certain ones to the OP's approval (irrespective of backing, criticizing Democrats in open or closed primaries, before or after the primary election, appears to violate that rule).

And third, most obviously ... perpetuating divisiveness is unhealthy overall for the Democratic Party. If the OP want to "let the healing begin", this is a lousy way to foster that.

But then that may not have been the OP's premise.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
46. I agree about divisivness but I suggest that is done by Jane Sanders, OR and Sen. Sanders...
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jun 2018

calimary

(90,039 posts)
50. Agreed.
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jun 2018

Not sure what their game is, but it's certainly not about uniting and conquering.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. In all fairness
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jun 2018

For a long time I have defended the "jungle primary" and tried to explain it to people who are hostile to it.

In all fairness I think that some folks at DU are trying to understand how it would work in their area where it probably would not be a good idea.

It has worked very well in California but it does require that both Democratic candidates and voters need to be disciplined so that we don't have an "owned goal" in the future.

It is ironic that the only way that we could get blocked out in a competitive district is that we have TOO MANY WELL QUALIFIED CANDIDATES RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME, something that the Republicans will never have to worry about.
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
24. The California Dem party should try to limit the # of Dems in any race to 2 or 3
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 01:16 AM
Jun 2018

With two in every race, there is possibility of shutting out GOPers, and it maximizes the vote share for the two Dems.

If there are more than three...then the potential to get shut out grows.


The state party needs to strongly back 2 candidates in each race, and strongly encourage all others to drop out.
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
32. I don't think it is working that well in California. and I am a Californian. 27 candidates for
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 04:56 AM
Jun 2018

Governor, and the same for Senate, is confusing and ridiculous, and add the open primary where non-Democrats can help choose the Democratic nominee, it isn't a good thing.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
21. The media tried hard to spin it...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:37 PM
Jun 2018

“Democrats probably didn’t do as well as they expected”

My thoughts... Poop on you.
And we did.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
22. I'm concerned...
Wed Jun 6, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jun 2018

...that it took $28 Million to win those second place slots, two of which came in by 3% or less; that cash could have completely funded 10 other House races.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
30. That's somewhat balanced out by the national party not having to spend as much where it's Dem v. Dem
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 03:02 AM
Jun 2018

Overall, though, I think the potential negatives outweigh the potential positives and I'd rather we did away with our top-2 system.

Just because CA-8 was the only district in which we got shut out this time around doesn't mean disaster couldn't strike in the future. And in those districts where the top 2 were Dems, a Dem would win those districts regardless.

Someone suggested in an earlier thread that this system was brought about by the CA Democratic Party. It wasn't. It was the brainchild of a group led by Schwarzenegger.

RandySF

(84,328 posts)
26. CNN Late Night was the worst
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 02:31 AM
Jun 2018

The anchor tried to push Harry Enten into saying it was a bad night for Dems and he never took the bait.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
29. I believe Dems were shut out of CA-8, where Cook would probably win anyway.
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 02:55 AM
Jun 2018

Dems finished 3rd, 4th and 5th in that race. The Dem who finished 3rd would have undoubtedly come in 2nd had there not been 2 other Dems competing. Apparently those who finished a distant 4th and 5th, respectively, determined they were more important than the party and the nation as a whole.

rpannier

(24,927 posts)
34. As of now, it is two Republikkans
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 05:21 AM
Jun 2018

But, the difference is 800 votes, so Doyle may challenge it
It's an incredibly red district from everything I've read. And last night's totals put the total vote at 64.1% for the combined republikkans
Interesting bit of trivia about Mr Cook's seat. He was elected in 2013. His district was obviously realigned, as the previous Representative (according to Wikipedia) was Nancy Pelosi

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
36. Remind me what "establishment" candidates are going to do for a nation so lost and struggling to
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jun 2018

find an identity which can see a clear way forward.

Cha

(319,089 posts)
56. Mahalo for that, ehrnst. Seems some
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:13 AM
Jun 2018

are stuck on that supposedly insult word "establishment".

I told him that they were Winning and helping to take back our Democracy.

And, asked what the Losers were doing for us?

Cha

(319,089 posts)
55. They're WINNING and Helping to take back
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 03:09 AM
Jun 2018

our Democracy.

Remind us what the Losers are doing for us?

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
47. ...Blue wave is still rolling...
Thu Jun 7, 2018, 03:16 PM
Jun 2018

You know, in the middle of the ocean a tsunami is barely noticeable. But when it hits shore, it builds and builds and builds....

And before it hits, all the water retreats, and you can see all of the little critters that live on the bottom of the sea....

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