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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:58 AM Aug 2012

Today, once again, I make fun of the "small, incremental steps" approach to saving our civilization.

Or, actually, mother nature does.

How's the war on global warming doing? In which direction are we making small, incremental steps? Anyone wanna hazard a guess?

We need major, sudden, drastic changes. NOW.

Or Mother Nature will make them for us.

Time to choose.

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Today, once again, I make fun of the "small, incremental steps" approach to saving our civilization. (Original Post) Zalatix Aug 2012 OP
i have watched enough "life after people" episodes to know.. Heather MC Aug 2012 #1
Yeah, we don't want that. Zalatix Aug 2012 #2
just heard some scientist-guy on the radio saying that electric cars & gas cars are a wash, HiPointDem Aug 2012 #3
Even if that is true electric cars can be run from renewable energy where fossil fuel cars can't.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #5
His science is dubious at best... sendero Aug 2012 #6
The climate has gone insane since around late 2006. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #16
uh, Nature is already making drastic changes cali Aug 2012 #4
You obviously failed to read. My plan is post #2. Zalatix Aug 2012 #8
no, we can read just fine. we're laughing at the self importance and melodrama. dionysus Aug 2012 #10
Actually, you have no understanding of what "self-importance" and "melodrama" mean. None at all. Zalatix Aug 2012 #11
carry on Ser Poppinjay... dionysus Aug 2012 #14
Carry on, my Ostrich friend. Xemasab pretty much demolished your "point", too. Zalatix Aug 2012 #19
Self-importance? Melodrama? XemaSab Aug 2012 #17
The GOP and DLC do not approve of your post. Zalatix Aug 2012 #20
lol. that's not a plan, hon. cali Aug 2012 #12
You have nothing to offer this discussion except childish naysaying. Nay nay nay nay nay! Zalatix Aug 2012 #13
As I make fun.. sendero Aug 2012 #7
Bingo. Zalatix Aug 2012 #9
Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2012 #22
Mother Nature is not sapient, she doesn't make decisions. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #15
All the more reason to fill both houses of Congress with more progressives, right? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #18
Progressives and Leftists... Zalatix Aug 2012 #21
 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
1. i have watched enough "life after people" episodes to know..
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:17 AM
Aug 2012

that once all the people are gone mother earth will restore herself to her natural bueaty. too bad we won't be around to see it.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
2. Yeah, we don't want that.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:26 AM
Aug 2012

We need some drastic changes...

Germany has done it by making a large scale switch to solar energy. This is the kind of drastic change we need. Electric cars, strict pollution controls, it has to happen now.

While Republican and DLC-fan naysayers are saying it's impractical or too costly, we're being shown a clear preview of the price we'll pay if we don't.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
3. just heard some scientist-guy on the radio saying that electric cars & gas cars are a wash,
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:32 AM
Aug 2012

energy-consumption wise.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
6. His science is dubious at best...
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:25 AM
Aug 2012

.... since internal combustion engines are about 20% efficient and electric motors more than 80%. Even with transmission and other losses that is a hard deficit to overcome.

Now if you are talking cost wise, well that would be different. We still need cheaper batteries and I have no doubt they will be developed.

I don't think that electric vehicles are going to "save the world" but I think internal combustion engines are in the process of singing their swan song.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
16. The climate has gone insane since around late 2006.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:08 PM
Aug 2012

That's when I started noticing things getting all bizzaro-world here in Fargo. That winter we did not have any snow until the middle of January. The came a cool, humid, and extremely wet summer. Then came 3 years of flooding in a row, and now this drought.

Something in the climate system lost a screw in 2006.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. uh, Nature is already making drastic changes
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:39 AM
Aug 2012

And our civilization is already done for. And you offer nothing in the way of a plan. In any case, it's too late.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
8. You obviously failed to read. My plan is post #2.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:01 AM
Aug 2012

Really, you keep making this same mistake. Over and over again.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
10. no, we can read just fine. we're laughing at the self importance and melodrama.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:05 AM
Aug 2012

(well, i am anyways)

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
11. Actually, you have no understanding of what "self-importance" and "melodrama" mean. None at all.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:12 AM
Aug 2012

This isn't about me, and you will not show where it is. So that argument is dead.

And... melodrama? Go tell that to the corn farmers in Missouri, or the people who got hit by TWO derechos this year, or the scientists who are watching global warming trends.

So now I'm laughing at the way your illogical "points" just exploded in your hands.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. lol. that's not a plan, hon.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:14 AM
Aug 2012

it's a bunch of vague garbage.

and you keep posting the same self-important crapola over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and on and on.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
13. You have nothing to offer this discussion except childish naysaying. Nay nay nay nay nay!
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:19 AM
Aug 2012

My a plan, and it's a viable plan. I MENTIONED SPECIFICS. Germany has already executed some of it. Your arguments are a bunch of vapid garbage. It is garbage now, and it was garbage the last time you posted, it, and the time before, and the time before that.

Every time you show up, you offer no solutions of your own, none whatsoever.

So yeah, I am going to keep doing this, I am going to keep showing that you have no solutions.


Once again, my specific plans:
A large scale switch to solar energy. DONE, by Germany.
Electric cars: ALREADY INVENTED.
Strict pollution controls: ALREADY HAPPENING in America.



What do you have, except "nay nay nay nay nay nay nay nay nay nay"?

sendero

(28,552 posts)
7. As I make fun..
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:28 AM
Aug 2012

... of the "small incremental steps" approach to saving our economy. 4 years and nothing. And we are not remotely out of the woods yet, the bottom could fall out any day.

Just like global warming, nothing of substance will be done until it's really too late. I have believed for a couple of years now that worrying about climate change is pointless, it is already too late to stop it.

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