So 2 proven liars had a meeting ....

Amd with only 2 interpreters as witnesses, (both of whose families have likely had their lives threatened if anything leaks), the end result is we will likely never know the truth. Both men (to use the term loosely) are insane, as well as prolific liars, so their version of events will change frequently. Oooooh, this is so frustrating. Lordy, I hope there are tapes.