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[Sneederbunk]

1. No.

There should be national Dem ads running 24/7.

[Funtatlaguy]

53. With whose money and in what networks?

The people who need to hear it the most watch only Fox News and Other right wing outlets that will not carry fact based materials even if they are paid commercials.

[Garrett78]

60. I would run the following ad about the media:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210725927

[el_bryanto]

2. It's hard to know -

On the one hand standing back and hoping for the media to push the discourse seems like a loosing strategy - but on the other hand with limited resources maybe they are better off focusing on the voters in their districts rather than on the national issue.

Bryant

[HAB911]

3. No

[ismnotwasm]

4. Who do you mean when referencing "The Democrats"

Nancy Pelosi? What do you consider to be “fighting back”? I know I am rich in Washington state with Democrats fighting with everything they got, but apparently this isn’t happening everywhere? Because this question seems to keep floating up.

[mountain grammy]

5. It's a yes or no question..

NO.

[hedda_foil]

6. HELP NO!

[Raster]

7. NO! But then again, my judgement may be clouded...

...I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DESPISE TRUMP* and what he is doing to our Country. And in my mind, NO REMEDY should be out-of-bounds to rid this Country of this cancer called tRump*.

CLARIFICATION: NOT advocating violence. But I believe the time for "politics as usual" is long over. tRump* has no fucking clue as to the damage he is doing to the US around the world. NO. FUCKING. CLUE.

[dembotoz]

8. Simple question simple answer.. no

[Dolly123Jimmy]

9. NO NO NO

We have no balls...

LETS TALK ABOUT...TREASON , RUSSIA , LYING , STORMY , SCOTT PRUITT , PULLING OUT OF

IRAN DEAL , CLIMATE CHANGE , KIDS SEPERATED FROM PARENTS AT BORDER , CANADA

GERMANY AND FRANCE HATE US....100 OTHER THINGS

BOB MENENDEZ WAS ON TV TALKING ABOUT TRUMPS COMMENTS ABOUT GETING RUSSIA BACK INTO THE G7....REALLY!!!!!

does that matter...wake up Dems

WE ARE SO LAME....

[Zoonart]

27. This X1000

[Atticus]

10. Hell no! Any cooperation with this regime is complicity in his scheme to

dismantle our government and the world order that has, for the most part, worked for several decades.

[democrank]

11. No.

Given that Trump is a daily threat to our citizens, our institutions, our laws, our safety, our norms....I can not understand why Democratic leaders aren't out in droves. Not once in a while, not just when a reporter asks a question, not just when it's their turn on tv for a 45-second answer to a both-sides-do-it question.

Who sets the example on toughness, courage and messaging? Teenagers! Parkland students!

[shanny]

28. +a zillion on your last point especially

[dubyadiprecession]

12. There doesn't seem to be a "game plan" yet.

[Javaman]

13. nope.

Laud the Dems for continuing to play by the rules, but when some one just killed your dog, set your house on fire and stole all your money, it's really hard to find reason to still play by the rules.

[Johnny2X2X]

14. NO!

I know it's unseemly, but we have to beat them at their own game in some ways. This ill conceived summit would have been hammered by Righties had a Dem attempted it. It was a disgrace, but Dems put country first and wouldn't criticize Trump going itno an important meeting. But after it they should be hammering him, he praised a murderer and dictator, he got a worse deal than we had and gave it all up, it's a joke. Trump debased and lowered the US in front of the world, Dems need to make everyone aware of how terrible this was.

[CentralMass]

15. No.

[bermudat]

16. No!

[mcar]

17. ...

[kentuck]

19. ???

[mcar]

21. Just not interested in another Democrat bashing thread

on DU.

[kentuck]

24. It could be that some people are more interested in winning the next election... ?

...and some cannot accept any criticism, constructive or otherwise, without calling it an attack or "bashing"? Just my opinion.

[mythology]

33. You didn't really provide criticism, just asked if we're doing it wrong

[tonyt53]

36. It appears that you, and others, have no been paying attention to the Dem wins so far.

There is no need for any national strategy to be announced. EVERY House race is specific to each state and district. Every Senate race is specific to each state. The plan from the DNC sure appears to be a winning plan and that is verified by the wins so far in special elections. I have no idea exactly what you, and others, are wanting except instant gratification - and in politics that gets you nowhere. The GOP has been doing a pretty decent job of making it harder for its candidates this fall, as shown by their actions and inactions.

[mcar]

65. Thank you!

[treestar]

67. +1

Special elections are the hardest to get turn out for, too.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

69. +1. n/t

[Glamrock]

40. No, it's not "just your opinion."

It's the opinion of many of us here.

[mcar]

47. Ah, "constructive criticism"

[kentuck]

70. You did notice that you are in a minority on this thread, right?

It's a basically simple question .

[ismnotwasm]

31. Yeah I know

Sometimes I post in these things so I don’t have be bothered with the inevitable jury duty when I check in. Lotsa “no” with no substance

[mcar]

45. To be expected

As I said, just another Democrat bashing thread on DU. So tired of it.

[BeyondGeography]

50. Well here's a simple one

Obama was regularly sabotaged by Republicans. How many times did he specifically identify them, their ideology and their methods as the problem? Did he ever mobilize Democrats around a specific set of anti-Republican talking points? Or, on the all-too-infrequent occasions when he pointed a finger, did he routinely lead with the word, “Congress”?

If you answered yes to the last question, advance two spaces.

[quickesst]

18. I know one person who was....

... until he got sandbagged by his own party.

[oberliner]

20. Yes, Democrats have been great

They have gone on every talk show and fought aggressively against everything Trump is doing.

Special praise for Blumenthal, Swallwell, Schiff, and Lieu.

Edit to add: There have been numerous others as well (shoutout to Jeff Merkley).

[CrispyQ]

41. Jeff Merkley, who while touring the Walmart Child Prison, was so nice & polite.

Why aren't several of our dem congress people down at that Brownsville Walmart raising hell & fury about the children we are storing there? My bad! The media might accuse them of being emotional or, gasp, rude, even!

We need an entire party of bulldogs, not a handful. I would like to see the dem party as outraged about Trump as they were about Franken.

[oberliner]

62. He brought attention to the situation

Which is a good thing.

[disillusioned73]

22. No..

No
Yes - yes
Yes
No - Big mistake
Very worthy of discussion, but too many alerts if there is any hint of criticism of D's these days..

[mac56]

23. No.

We keep bringing fluffy pillows to the knife fight.

I'd like to win once or twice, instead of always being Miss Congeniality.

[shanny]

25. No.

[Trumpocalypse]

26. When the other guys are putting their foot in their mouth

don't interupt.

[kacekwl]

48. Putting their foot in mouth

seems to be working well for them. Maybe we need to shove it further down.

[samplegirl]

29. No!!!Hell No!!!!

Where is the rest of our Senators and such to speak up? Where are the musicians?? Where is the rest of Hollywood??? Where is the media?

[smirkymonkey]

30. Hell No.

A few of them have been good (Schiff, Lieu, Harris), but the party as a whole has been painfully passive. It's downright depressing.

[beachbum bob]

32. I know my local congressional candidate is

[CrispyQ]

34. No. The dems are not fighters. They haven't been for over 40 years now.

That is partly why we are where we are at, but of course no one wants to admit that the dems have any complicity in this mess. And that is why we will be down this road again, because if the dems gain any kind of influence again, they will "work with our colleagues across the aisle in an effort to heal the nation." Bank on it.

We have a handful of bulldogs when what we need is an entire party of bulldogs.

[NY_20th]

35. The Democrats I follow are actively engaged and fighting back

against Trump.

Also, if you've been following the primaries so far, Democratic women and young voters are actively engaged, are getting out the vote and are winning elections.

[kentuck]

39. These are not easy times...

We will know on Wednesday, November 7th, whether or not we fought hard enough, I suppose?

[NY_20th]

49. Coming to voting booths near you

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[mythology]

37. Yes

I like seeing them speak out on the issues. We're seeing at the ballot box that we are winning race after race, and even where we don't win vote changes of 10+ percent in our favor.

Some people here wouldn't be satisfied with anything less spittle flinging rage, and that we need to fight on Republican terms with name calling and petulant behavior, but to me that does us no good. Not just because it's not good for the party, but it's not good for our society. As the saying goes, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

[beaglelover]

38. Nope.

[BeyondGeography]

42. Not since 1980

[kacekwl]

43. No

Absolutely No.

[GulfCoast66]

44. Why the incessant need to blame ourselves? And bring it here

There is more action on our side than in years. More candidates, more volunteers and more voters.

But we are out of power and have no real way of stopping their behavior.

The president has always and will always have the bully pulpit. We will never be able to drown out his message.

And the media is not going to air 48 Democrat Senators on a daily basis.

[kentuck]

46. For example:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210727846

[Skidmore]

52. Not a god example

of anything but Trump's own egomaniacal proclivities. How exactly were Dems to prevent this from happening? I have seen many Dems protest this.

[Glamrock]

51. No.

If they were, there wouldn't be room on DU for daily posts about what some Republican strategist or other (who have spent their entire career working against the Democratic party mind you) has to say about Trump.

[BlueJac]

54. Hell NO!

Weak in the knees and will not go for the jugular

[C_U_L8R]

55. What is this party you speak of?

[raging moderate]

56. No.

Everybody: Let 'er rip!

[CanonRay]

57. No.

[CousinIT]

58. NO. n/t

[vi5]

59. "dependent on the media to fight their battles for them"

I've not seen a phrase so accurately sum up the Democratic party's biggest flaw/downfall/whatever. It has been this way since the BUsh 2 years.

There are too many, especially the ones in our party in positions of power, who are still operating under the auspices of a neutral, traditional, fair media which does not exist.

And the most modern and current manifestation of this flaw is that too many think that if they just put out a witty tweet that reaches a million of their followers (merely a fraction of a fraction of voters) that the media is going to report on that the same way they report on Trump tweets. That is not the case.

And yes, they are too cautious and reserved on almost every front, and too dependent on outdated notions of political tradition, decorum, fairness, etc.

[Civic Justice]

61. Absolutely NOT !!!

If, as I've seen, one mention the need for Democrats to actually Create Narrative and Promote Narrative and try and Gain the Dominant Narrative in the Public Arena.... Democratic people go crazy with attacks.. from what I've seen most on this site, is SOME think.. cracking a few joKs and throwing a few puns is all that is necessary.

When reality fact is Republicans, not only control the Public Narrative, they dictate what it will be on a daily basis... and Democrats crack a few jokes and sling a few puns... and all the while Republican DOMINATE public narratives.

I see a few things in this site that is really disenchanting as to what I thought would be democratic minded people. some think because they have been here and racked up a few 1000 one liner comments, that they are above the need to promote narrative. Others, get quickly offended and think their avoidance of OP's is a way to exercise their resentment and envy, and others have no concern about what OP to try and keep on top to spread narrative. The site buries post by the minute, and likely its not many options around it.

I see mostly post that deal with some Republican's Dominant Narrative they push as they Control Control what will be the narrative, in which they have Slung out as a Drama Antic, and people flock to it with 10's and 100's of slap stick one liners, but "never gather enough to write counter narratives" and try and promote it to counter republican drama spins.

_______
I see many jokes and puns put to any post that can garner a joke or a pun, but very very little in the sense of actually "thought out interactive and responsive commentary". I see very little generation of commentary that can or does seek to promote Democratic Commentary as a Promoted Narrative.
I don't know for sure, but either there are a lot of older people or people who don't think things through to expound up it. or people who are use to getting by on a puns and a jokes.

If that is the case, America's problem may be far bigger than we are truly addressing. It might even explain why no matter what Trump does it become normalized and on to the next, "drama spin" and a few more puns and jokes, and Trump and Republican do what they want, and again, a few puns and a few jokes, and on to the next drama cycle.

[Fla Dem]

63. They're doing the best they can especially with Trump sucking all the air out of the room.

The media right now is so entangled with Trump's corrupt administration and the Mueller investigation, they don't have the personnel or time to report on every thing a Democrat says or does in opposition to Trump. Same thing that happened during the campaign. Wall to wall coverage of Trump because of his outlandish campaigning, while very little reported on HRC.

Here's just a sample of what the Dems have spoken out on just yesterday. Was any of this reported? NO! So we think they are being silent and complacent.

@RepAdamSchiff
More Adam Schiff Retweeted Donald J. Trump
One trip and it's "mission accomplished," Mr. President? North Korea still has all its nuclear missiles, and we only got a vague promise of future denuclearization from a regime that can't be trusted.

North Korea is a real and present threat. So is a dangerously naive president.

Link to tweet

Nancy Peolosi is constantly speaking out against Trump as is Chuck Schumer.

Did you see anyone report on this statement Nancy Pelosi released yesterday?

@NancyPelosi
In his haste to reach an agreement, @realDonaldTrump elevated North Korea to the level of the United States while preserving the regime’s status quo. #TrumpKimSummit https://goo.gl/pqQbmY

Link to tweet

Or this statement by Sen Schumer

Link to tweet

Sen Jeff Merkely got a 3 minute report on the evening news when he went to investigate the horrific situation of children in detention centers.

What Senator Jeff Merkley Saw at an Immigrant Detention Center for Children
“The tiniest kid at the front of the line, he was knee-high to a grasshopper. He was 4, maybe 5 years old.”
By Joan WalshTwitter JUNE 6, 2018

When Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley tried to visit a detention center for child immigrants in Brownsville, Texas, last weekend, he was turned away. The Facebook Live video of his journey through the bureaucratic shadows went viral. In the 20 hours after it was shared, it was viewed 1.1 million times.

More>>>>>

https://www.thenation.com/article/senator-jeff-merkley-saw-immigrant-detention-center-children/

@SenWarren

My full statement on President Trump’s meeting with Kim Jong Un: https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/warren-statement-on-the-united-states-north-korea-summit …

Link to tweet

[pwb]

64. Democrats are doing great. Our liberal and progressive wing

are never happy it seems. Our hands are tied with republican control. All we can do is try and delay until November. Not sure what they expect??

[treestar]

66. They are always accused of this

Maybe they are trying to govern where all Rs did is try to "win."

They are cautious because the media will rake them over the coals for things they will not do the same to the Republicans for.

[mcar]

68. Not fighting back aggressively enough? This is just today:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210728063

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210728176

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210728158

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210727919

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142082547

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142082792

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142082469