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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:17 PM Jun 2018

Kamala Harris: We have a bill to stop the Trump's policy of ripping children from their parents

Kamala Harris @SenKamalaHarris 7h7 hours ago
We have a bill to stop the Trump Administration's zero-tolerance policy of ripping children away from their parents. It's called the Keep Families Together Act.

Here’s what you can do: contact your representatives & voice your outrage. Then, call the White House & do the same.


watch:




...that's a very compelling short vid Sen. Harris produced, and a solid legislative effort to keep immigrant families from being separated by the government.

Very presidential (candidate).
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Kamala Harris: We have a bill to stop the Trump's policy of ripping children from their parents (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2018 OP
KnR Hekate Jun 2018 #1
Those depressed about this will feel better doing something to try to help--promise hlthe2b Jun 2018 #2
Good on those who sponsored this bill. angstlessk Jun 2018 #3
K&R Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #4
I think that this is playing into trump's hand of his policy needing a LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #5
there is no law that requires separating immigrant children from parents bigtree Jun 2018 #6
I know there is no law requiring separation. LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #7
cynicism is a losing strategy bigtree Jun 2018 #8
It isn't cynical. There is no Democratic bill LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #9
in the meantime, they signal to voters that they intend to do their job bigtree Jun 2018 #22
Then address this in a comprehensive immigration bill, and promote that. LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #24
first you mislabel the bill, assuming that some republican lie about it will prevail bigtree Jun 2018 #25
Okay I'll go swimming. This just happened on the White House lawn... LuvLoogie Jun 2018 #26
How about just being realistic? leftofcool Jun 2018 #15
but there is no law prohibiting it either AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #17
exactly right bigtree Jun 2018 #23
Mahalo, Kamala and Cha Jun 2018 #10
Thank you, Senator Harris DesertRat Jun 2018 #11
I contacted Lamar Alexander and he said redstateblues Jun 2018 #12
Did you expect anything different? leftofcool Jun 2018 #14
Which I hate to say will never pass the House leftofcool Jun 2018 #13
I will. But they're Trumpers. I'll do it, anyway. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #16
CALL your state reps! BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #18
Proud to call her my Senator. Sadly, the policy is reflective of a good third of the US. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #19
Indeed, she is my Senator too and I so hope to call her my POTUS after November 2020!! Exotica Jun 2018 #20
Yes please! leftofcool Jun 2018 #21

hlthe2b

(102,287 posts)
2. Those depressed about this will feel better doing something to try to help--promise
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jun 2018

and I will join you with my calls.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
5. I think that this is playing into trump's hand of his policy needing a
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jun 2018

legislative fix from Democrats. His next tweet is going to be

"Democrats now see how they have to fix their bad law. No wall no deal."

This shit show is on trump and the GOP. This bill is only going to bring focus on Democratic powerlessness. This is an awkward play. There hasn't been a major Democratic bill passed the GOP gained control.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
6. there is no law that requires separating immigrant children from parents
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jun 2018

... they're just lying.

This is the Democratic Senate stepping up to check the president's autocratic order to separate these families. It's literally what we send them there to do.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
7. I know there is no law requiring separation.
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 11:00 PM
Jun 2018

This is an autocratic punitive policy. trump is not going to sign a law checking this policy. Did you see that the GOP put out another bill, this time holding both DACA and the incarcerated children hostage to the building of the wall.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
8. cynicism is a losing strategy
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 11:03 PM
Jun 2018

...this is literally what these elected officials are supposed to do. Push to enact laws to protect people and provide a check on the Executive.

Cynicism is a luxury these families can't afford.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
9. It isn't cynical. There is no Democratic bill
Thu Jun 14, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jun 2018

That will become law until Democrats retake the House Senate and Whitehouse. All three. That's the reality.

What these families can't afford is to wait two and a half years. There aren't enough Republicans that would vote for a Democratic bill. McConnell would never bring it to a vote. Neither would Paul Ryan. And trump is still in office.

It isn't cynical to recognize that trump is a bigot and that the GOP congress is complicit at best.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
22. in the meantime, they signal to voters that they intend to do their job
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:31 AM
Jun 2018

...this isn't too complicated. This is politics 101.

You don't just look at the numbers and sit on your hands because some republicans might vote against you. Nothing happens in a vacuum. This how you generate support for legislation. I really don't know why it needs more explanation.

Myriad bills that became law began as someone's lost cause, against overwhelming numbers. This is how you generate support in the public, and pressure the opposition.

Maybe you can explain just what you expect them to do. There's absolutely nothing BUT cynicism in your responses.

Honestly, Democrats get slammed here no matter what they do, so it's always better for me to defend them doing something, than responding to complaints that they're not doing enough.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
24. Then address this in a comprehensive immigration bill, and promote that.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 08:50 AM
Jun 2018

This policy of trump's is a political action. He is constantly blaming Democrats for needing to fix "their bad law," that he is forced to do the separations. This is their official position and it is being pushed by Sessions, SHS, and now Paul Ryan.

Ending the separations does not require legislation. A democratic bill focused on the separations allows the GOP to stymie any action until the Democrats have the numbers. It plays into GOP talking points. It plays into Ryan's game of tying the separations to the wall.

This is a full fledged society, not a fledgling democracy born out of warring tribes. We already know this is wrong. The cynicism is coming from the White House, and they are trying to bait the Democrats into building trumps wall. You know how they play the game.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
25. first you mislabel the bill, assuming that some republican lie about it will prevail
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 09:03 AM
Jun 2018

...it's an obvious attempt to prevent Trump from carrying out his policy. Outlawing Trump's executive action separating families would effectively end his ability to carry it out.

I think most people understand that. Ending the separations while Trump is in office absolutely requires a law. You readily admit republicans aren't going to do the right thing by themselves. They need to be forced. This bill is a lever which would force Trump and his republicans to do the right thing by these families.

It has nothing to do with Trump's wall, which will NEVER be built. Furthermore, Democrats have been promoting comprehensive immigration reform for the entirety of republican rule. There's just no overriding logic to your complaint. It's all 'don't do this, because republicans will play politics.' then it's, 'promote major legislation,' instead.

I'm going to leave this alone now, and let you swim around in it on your own.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
15. How about just being realistic?
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:50 AM
Jun 2018

A bill like that will never get past the House. Do you really think the GOP gives one damn about children, especially brown ones? We are all morally outraged about all of this, but nothing is going to happen unless we retake the House and Senate.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
18. CALL your state reps!
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:57 AM
Jun 2018
https://actionnetwork.org/events/lunchtime-for-change-families-belong-together
Here are ways you can help. There are prepared scripts, places to donate, a list of events/protests, etc.
(202)224-3121 DC number to call your senator. RESIST!!!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. Proud to call her my Senator. Sadly, the policy is reflective of a good third of the US.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:59 AM
Jun 2018

I look forward to seeing right wing heads explode when a Black woman replaces Trump as POTUS.

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