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Ha ha Cohen's shredder fail: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jun 2018 OP
Lovin every minute of it! BlueJac Jun 2018 #1
Great news! elleng Jun 2018 #2
Damn, the Trump Crime Family is having a really bad day! berni_mccoy Jun 2018 #3
But it's a good day for the USA FakeNoose Jun 2018 #22
Only sixteen? You just know he shredded lots more. Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #4
Day by day, more pages will emerge from the un-shredder. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #5
16 doesn't sound like much Renew Deal Jun 2018 #6
But if he took the time to shred them they must be important. Kingofalldems Jun 2018 #7
I agree Renew Deal Jun 2018 #10
Lol. n/t whopis01 Jun 2018 #30
Not necessarily, though they may be. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #28
What if blugbox Jun 2018 #9
I wonder if the shreds were in little bits. Saul's brother was able to reconstruct four pages Glimmer of Hope Jun 2018 #11
I hear there wasn't much shredded material in his office.. Kablooie Jun 2018 #25
I hope they are using AI instead of doing it manually Le Gaucher Jun 2018 #8
I think this is much more important..... sunonmars Jun 2018 #12
When the Feds knock, shredders are FIMI bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #13
Why would anyone use a shredder? Ever hear of a match? 33taw Jun 2018 #14
I was in a Top Secret - Special Intel (ASA) unit in Vietnam .. DemoTex Jun 2018 #15
I don't know, but they are unbelievable. 33taw Jun 2018 #16
When the Iranians took over the U.S. embassy in 1979 the staff tried to shred everything. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #20
One of my duties on a Guided Missile Destroyer was ComTac Custodian. denbot Jun 2018 #21
Michael Cohen is very low-tech FakeNoose Jun 2018 #23
It's okay to use a shredder, but don't LEAVE THE SHREDDED PAGES IN THERE :-) More_Cowbell Jun 2018 #24
Probably not easy to build a bon-fire in Manhattan. Meadowoak Jun 2018 #29
Avenatti said that Cohen is such an idiot, he didn't a cross cut shredder. He bought the cheapest, OnDoutside Jun 2018 #17
Amusing angrychair Jun 2018 #18
its funny people donot know that with technology its not that hard to reconstruct MyNameIsKhan Jun 2018 #19
Maybe Mueller can get help from the W.H. aides who are taping Trump's papers together. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #26
vertical cut shredders are worthless in the age of AI lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #27
It's all kind of useless in a sense Woodycall Jun 2018 #32
Say hi to Bubbu when they lock you up. ffr Jun 2018 #31

Freethinker65

(10,023 posts)
4. Only sixteen? You just know he shredded lots more.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:42 PM
Jun 2018

I am assuming that the shredding of evidence that was ordered to be preserved is perhaps more of an issue for Cohen than what was on those 16 pages. It would be be even better if the 16 (or eventually more?) pages contained new incriminating evidence.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. Day by day, more pages will emerge from the un-shredder.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

It's like matching pairs of socks in the laundry: the more you've matched, the faster it goes.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. Not necessarily, though they may be.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jun 2018

I know people who just regularly shred anything with personal info on it, before throwing it away. Copies of bank statements, bills, etc. All those things are online & easy for the govt to get, if they are even meaningful.

Mueller probably got copies of Manafort & Cohen's bank info directly from the banks already, if they were able to get subpoenas.

blugbox

(951 posts)
9. What if
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jun 2018

it ended up being 16 murder confessions?

I'm sure they were destroyed for a reason, so hopefully it's 16 VERY IMPORTANT pages...

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
11. I wonder if the shreds were in little bits. Saul's brother was able to reconstruct four pages
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:19 PM
Jun 2018

Overnight but he had tiny strips.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
25. I hear there wasn't much shredded material in his office..
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jun 2018

He could have tossed the rest in the trash earlier.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
12. I think this is much more important.....
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jun 2018

Prosecutors also announced that FBI agents had recovered more than 700 pages of encrypted messages between Cohen and other recipients from the private chat apps WhatsApp and Signal.

A second Blackberry cell phone used by Cohen is also under investigation, but has not yet yielded its contents, according to the court filling.

"While the FBI cannot, therefore, estimate the volume of data on this latter device, the BlackBerry produced yesterday contains approximately 315 megabytes of data," prosecutors wrote.

DemoTex

(25,397 posts)
15. I was in a Top Secret - Special Intel (ASA) unit in Vietnam ..
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jun 2018

We burned EVERYTHING. We even carried burn bags in the aircraft, and every scrap of paper that was not turned in as mission product went to the burn pit.

The only thing a shredder is good for is to make the documents easier to burn. How did this mob get so stupid?

20. When the Iranians took over the U.S. embassy in 1979 the staff tried to shred everything.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jun 2018

The Iranians just got a bunch of people together and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

denbot

(9,900 posts)
21. One of my duties on a Guided Missile Destroyer was ComTac Custodian.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jun 2018

I would handle crypto key codes, messages and the like. We did use a shredder which all but mulched anything that went in. The remains went into a special weighted bag to be dropped only in DEEP water. If we were ever in danger of being boarded in shallow water, there was always the thermite..

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
23. Michael Cohen is very low-tech
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jun 2018

He didn't even destroy his burner cell phones. Hasn't a clue how or why to use encryption. Never heard of VPN.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
24. It's okay to use a shredder, but don't LEAVE THE SHREDDED PAGES IN THERE :-)
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jun 2018

Sure, the FBI could probably eventually piece together shreds that had been tossed out in various waste receptacles. But Cohen made things much easier by leaving stuff in the shredder itself.

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)
17. Avenatti said that Cohen is such an idiot, he didn't a cross cut shredder. He bought the cheapest,
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:54 PM
Jun 2018

which is the easiest to reconstruct.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
18. Amusing
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jun 2018

For criminals that manage millions of dollars worth of crimes they sure are using dated technology and have an incredibly poor understanding of it and how to leverage it to their greatest advantage.

Documents
Have they never heard of redacting pens? Document pulping? Burning?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Destroy-Sensitive-Documents%3Famp%3D1

Computers
Kill switches? Deadman switches? EMP pulse? Faraday cage?

I am by no means an expert but the things I’ve suggested are simplistic and easy.
Criminals are morons.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
19. its funny people donot know that with technology its not that hard to reconstruct
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:10 PM
Jun 2018

all you need is to scan each fragments and computer will do the trick or assembling everything. Its time taking though.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
26. Maybe Mueller can get help from the W.H. aides who are taping Trump's papers together.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jun 2018

They're pretty experienced at this, by this time.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
27. vertical cut shredders are worthless in the age of AI
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jun 2018

couple of points...

The photos of the "strips" go into a large parallel AI program to reassemble.

The process starts to go much faster as the number of strips is reduced, much like a jigsaw puzzle.

He should have purchased a cross cut shredder (cuts both vertical and horizontal). And then burned the remains... or never committed to paper any of the documents in the first place (however, electronic documents present their own challenges).

Hopefully, the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" of mob crimes goes down hard over this.

Woodycall

(259 posts)
32. It's all kind of useless in a sense
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 06:40 PM
Jun 2018

The Utah Data Center:

"Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter.""

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