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(7,838 posts)elleng
(130,956 posts)What an awful job!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Bwahahahahaahah.
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)Freethinker65
(10,023 posts)I am assuming that the shredding of evidence that was ordered to be preserved is perhaps more of an issue for Cohen than what was on those 16 pages. It would be be even better if the 16 (or eventually more?) pages contained new incriminating evidence.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It's like matching pairs of socks in the laundry: the more you've matched, the faster it goes.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)18 minutes isnt much either but....
whopis01
(3,514 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I know people who just regularly shred anything with personal info on it, before throwing it away. Copies of bank statements, bills, etc. All those things are online & easy for the govt to get, if they are even meaningful.
Mueller probably got copies of Manafort & Cohen's bank info directly from the banks already, if they were able to get subpoenas.
it ended up being 16 murder confessions?
I'm sure they were destroyed for a reason, so hopefully it's 16 VERY IMPORTANT pages...
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Overnight but he had tiny strips.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)He could have tossed the rest in the trash earlier.
Le Gaucher
(1,547 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Prosecutors also announced that FBI agents had recovered more than 700 pages of encrypted messages between Cohen and other recipients from the private chat apps WhatsApp and Signal.
A second Blackberry cell phone used by Cohen is also under investigation, but has not yet yielded its contents, according to the court filling.
"While the FBI cannot, therefore, estimate the volume of data on this latter device, the BlackBerry produced yesterday contains approximately 315 megabytes of data," prosecutors wrote.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)First In Most Important
33taw
(2,443 posts)DemoTex
(25,397 posts)We burned EVERYTHING. We even carried burn bags in the aircraft, and every scrap of paper that was not turned in as mission product went to the burn pit.
The only thing a shredder is good for is to make the documents easier to burn. How did this mob get so stupid?
33taw
(2,443 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)The Iranians just got a bunch of people together and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
denbot
(9,900 posts)I would handle crypto key codes, messages and the like. We did use a shredder which all but mulched anything that went in. The remains went into a special weighted bag to be dropped only in DEEP water. If we were ever in danger of being boarded in shallow water, there was always the thermite..
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)He didn't even destroy his burner cell phones. Hasn't a clue how or why to use encryption. Never heard of VPN.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Sure, the FBI could probably eventually piece together shreds that had been tossed out in various waste receptacles. But Cohen made things much easier by leaving stuff in the shredder itself.
Meadowoak
(5,546 posts)OnDoutside
(19,960 posts)which is the easiest to reconstruct.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)For criminals that manage millions of dollars worth of crimes they sure are using dated technology and have an incredibly poor understanding of it and how to leverage it to their greatest advantage.
Documents
Have they never heard of redacting pens? Document pulping? Burning?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Destroy-Sensitive-Documents%3Famp%3D1
Computers
Kill switches? Deadman switches? EMP pulse? Faraday cage?
I am by no means an expert but the things Ive suggested are simplistic and easy.
Criminals are morons.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)all you need is to scan each fragments and computer will do the trick or assembling everything. Its time taking though.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They're pretty experienced at this, by this time.
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)couple of points...
The photos of the "strips" go into a large parallel AI program to reassemble.
The process starts to go much faster as the number of strips is reduced, much like a jigsaw puzzle.
He should have purchased a cross cut shredder (cuts both vertical and horizontal). And then burned the remains... or never committed to paper any of the documents in the first place (however, electronic documents present their own challenges).
Hopefully, the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" of mob crimes goes down hard over this.
Woodycall
(259 posts)The Utah Data Center:
"Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trailsparking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter.""