Not everyone got the memo, I guess?

[PETRUS]

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Obviously, I posted this because it suggests that the demographic that likes Bernie the least are white males, contrary to what is often implied. But the rest of the poll is interesting, too. You can find it here: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/qkyd98nzy9/econTabReport.pdf

[NCTraveler]

1. The media continues to use an unaccomplished...

Career politician to try to divide the party. It’s like they simply take cues from Trump and Sanders with no agenda other than to sell them to the lowest common denominator. Simply patsys for the for profit media. Gotta have that horse race.

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2. Who believes that graph that a large majority of AAs and...

Latinos want candidates like Sanders?

Such bullshit.

[Cal Carpenter]

4. The fact is

that among voters of color under age 45, support of Sanders and Clinton was almost even - practically 50/50 by the end of the primary season. Not at the beginning, but as he became more familiar to people. In one analysis of 25 primaries, Sanders outperformed Clinton among black voters under age 30. Every analysis of the results of the primaries that I have seen is similar in this way. Sanders' popularity grew among communities of color throughout primary season.

The poll in the OP isn't party driven, although in terms of PoC obviously the vast majority likely identify as Dem. It doesn't contradict the reality of what happened in 2016, it corroborates it. So yeah, I believe this graph.

Please note, I am making no argument for or against Sanders, nor trying to imply that he is good for the Democratic agenda, or anything else. Just stating the facts insofar as we can know them based on data. It does nobody any good to pretend it ain't so.

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5. Like I said, such bs. Those under 30 are a distinct minority of AA voters...

and for that matter, any other demographic segment.

We all know younger voters don't turn out well and the bulk of voters are over 30.

[Cal Carpenter]

6. The bulk of *all* voting aged people are above 30, of course

However those under 30 in 2016 will be over 30 soon.... and in 2016 voting by those under 30 increased compared to 2012.

We don't "all know younger voters don't turn out well" and even if it were true, it doesn't discount the point I am making.

You can keep writing it off as BS but it is clear that you are only doing so because you don't want to face the facts and want to have it both ways - some minority voters (eg the ones who fit your narrative) are more equal than others? I clearly won't convince you, but I will throw a few links out there for anyone who actually wants to see what I'm trying to say:

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

From 2017 - note that this again shows that voters of color have a higher favorability of Sanders than do white voters which again contradicts your narrative:
"Last spring, a Harvard-Harris poll found Sanders to be the most popular active politician in the country. African Americans gave the senator the highest favorables at 73 percent — vs. 68 percent among Latinos, 62 percent among Asian Americans and 52 percent among white voters. It wasn’t a fluke: This August, black voters again reported a 73 percent favorability rating for Sanders."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/12/its-time-to-end-the-myth-that-black-voters-dont-like-bernie-sanders/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cedce705231b

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/07/age-and-race-democratic-primary

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7. Percentage wise it's a historical fact that younger voters don't turn out nearly as high as...

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older voters.

And Sanders was defeated decisively in 2016. With many younger, attractive, progressive candidates vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, and much closer to the age the 30-and-unders without the been-there-done-that baggage, I doubt 2020 will be any different.

And as far as AAs in the under-30 age group you cite, recent disclosures of a certain senator's woeful lack of awareness of disproportionately high black incarceration rates and unjust, long stays in jail because of exceedingly high bail, it's highly likely a certain senator reached his high water mark in 2016.

Knowledge of that uninformed awareness, hardly a desired characteristic in a progressive presidential candidate, is no longer purposely hidden from not just AAs but from the entire Democratic voting public, which includes all the other potential candidates.

[Cal Carpenter]

3. I'm almost afraid to say this

But I'm not at all surprised. It fits with my experience in talking politics with people.

I know DU as a whole has a different take on this, but the rest of the world is not like DU.

I generally keep my mouth shut about it here though, although during the primaries when people said Bernie supporters were ignoring or discounting the wishes of communities of color, I would often point out that 20% to 50% of people of color *were* voting for Bernie in primaries and it isn't fair to ignore *those members* of communities of color, but I was almost always ignored...