A little insight for those who've never been in jail...

[Comatose Sphagetti]

It is terrifying. It is dehumanizing. It is miserable. It is humiliating. It is cold. It is loud. It is soul-crushing. It is uncomfortable. It is mind-warping. It is lonely. You are institutionalized and are at the mercy of personnel making shit wages and all that entails. You are only a number. Your life stops.

What if the place catches fire? Will the guards place themselves in danger to save me? (Doubt it.)
What about my family? How will my absence impact them? Will I ever get out?
How will this impact me financially down the road? (Not very well.)
Who is this guy that keeps staring at me and mumbling to himself? Will he attack me? (He might.)
What will my loved ones and society think of me? (Loved ones will still love. Society will hang it around your neck for the rest of your life.)

Manafort is wealthy. He may be going to Club Fed; I don't know. But if he goes to your average lock-up, he can expect the above and exponentially more.

Even though he placed himself in the position he is now in, I wish him peace.

[malaise]

1. Well in Manafort's case it will be

what about my designer suits, my designer bed, my comfort, my smart TV.
He won't survive this one.

[Achilleaze]

10. Dirty Donny* & comrades will send him caviar

* aka republican draft-dodger-in-chief

[bettyellen]

2. I thought many jails are much worse than prisons which come after convictions?

Wonder which jail he will be held at?

[tazkcmo]

3. I hope he goes to county lock up.

He'll start singing before he gets to his cell.

[tavernier]

7. I believe one of the msm ppl said that is where he is going,

either that or city. What’s the diff?

[tazkcmo]

8. Waaaay over crowded

Violent offenders mixed in with non-violent offenders, super lousy food, usually old and cold or hot. He might not even get a cell but have to sleep on an old nasty mattress with 30 or 40 of his new friends in a large open common area. Many of the inmates will be establishing their dominance especially if they are going to be there for a few months or more. The staff, sometimes cops sometimes not, don't give two shits about anyone unless you're making their jobs more miserable. It's just a really shitty environment especially for a pampered cream puff like Manafort.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

25. Manafort needs to remained unharmed to be of use

Regardless of where he is sent, he will likely be isolated from everyone else.

[tazkcmo]

26. I'm sure. n/t

[Iggo]

45. This right here.

The post above is an on-the-nose description of county lockup in a decent sized city, except for maybe underestimating the amount of men in the pre-processing barracks-type situation. In the old 9500 block of the L.A.County Jail, the number of men sleeping in the same room was easily in the hundreds, and if you told me it was a thousand I wouldn't bat an eye.

[DURHAM D]

4. How many weeks will it be before he stops reaching for

one of his phones?

[tavernier]

5. Hold on, hold on...

I read the first several words in your post and felt a deep urge to open a bottle of champagne and set out some juicy fresh strawberries to nibble on with the champagne before I continue reading. (No, not kidding, I am SERIOUSLY doing just that)

So... PLease continue...

[Wellstone ruled]

6. A fellow we once knew

worked for the Federal Prisons as a Van Driver. There is a unwritten policy dealing with uncooperative people and that is Van Therapy. Meaning you might be riding in that Van or other Van's between Federal Lockups for days of even weeks. And as the fellow has always said,their success rate is 100%.

[Downtown Hound]

21. I actually was locked up with a few protesters that were given that exact treatment one time

They were transported from city lockup to city lockup, simply as a means of intimidation by the state. You are shackled the whole time, and it's very uncomfortable. Even the most hardened criminal would settle down after a few days of that. Restraints hurt after awhile. Wearing them all day would be hell.

[Wellstone ruled]

42. Sad to say,this was one of his stories.

Persons rode from Minnesota to North Dakota and on to Montana. And yes,January and February. Friggin bitter cold that time of year. And you know those Ford Econoline Vans got to be colder than a Locker Plant.

[gratuitous]

9. You're a better person than me

I wish Manafort nothing but endless agony and pain. And here's why:

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3

Hacked text messages allegedly sent by Paul Manafort's daughter discuss 'blood money' and killings, and a Ukrainian lawyer wants him to explain

In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."

"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Paul needed money badly, and those people didn't need their lives quite so badly.

[onethatcares]

11. this is what we've become

as a nation.

and the prison industrial complex is more than willing and waiting for us to cross the line.

Strap in, hang on and be ready because the off hand remarks about being a strong man are real, not jokes.

[Duppers]

43. Thank you for posting this. nt

[Equinox Moon]

12. I would qualify this with, it depends on where you are in jail.

I once visited a local woman's prison and it was not cold concrete. They had colors and art. The cells had a window to outside. Carpet in the hallways.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

13. Agreed

nt

[Equinox Moon]

15. I think there are white collar prisons that are pretty plush.

Martha Stewart was in a comfortable one.

That said, I had a friend once spend time in a couple prisons, they moved him around. The first one he said was TERRIFYING! and all the things you described.

[Tipperary]

22. Prison is different than jail. eom

[countingbluecars]

14. Boo Hoo

I am thinking of the children who are in detention right now. I have no pity for Manafort.

[dembotoz]

28. Bingo may his conditions be worse than theirs

[PJMcK]

16. Manafort is in the DC jail

Prisons are for after conviction, I believe. Manafort's lawyers objected to the DC jail because of its deficiencies. I don't think the judge cared for that argument.

If this is correct, it's probably even worse for Manafort and the pressure on him to flip will increase tremendously, I assume.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[tazkcmo]

29. I heard on Chris Hayes

Don't know if it was a reporter or a lawyer but they described it as "a rough place".

[PJMcK]

33. Good (n/t)

[tazkcmo]

34. Yup

Very good.

[Doreen]

17. I wonder if he was just in with the general population if

he would end up being someones bitch?

[Iggo]

18. Club Fed's for convicts.

Manafort's awaiting trial. He hasn't been convicted of anything. He goes to the local lock-up and cools his fucking heels 'til trial.

[Comatose Sphagetti]

19. Okay, he goes to the local lock-up...

The trial is, let's say, July 16th. He believes there's a chance he might be released then. He's been in jail for a month. He's miserable. He's hoping, praying, desperate; grasping at straws... anything to get out of there.

Then Prosecutors push the trial back another 90 days.

His head absolutely explodes. He is crushed. The despair has never been worse.

Don't discount this happening. It is sometimes done to further ratchet up the pressure.

[ProudLib72]

31. Oh, I certainly hope so

Just keep pushing it back, pushing it back. That would be torture. He will be smug and smarmy for the first week or so, but he will soon break. They know who he is. Big John and Ratface could decide to help out Mueller, too. Just give a little push.

[Downtown Hound]

20. I've been in jail twice, both for protesting

And the longest stint I did was 12 hours. Pretty laughable, but yeah, it's no picnic. It is dehumanizing, and it is not fun. Even a brief stint is a sobering wake up call.

I do not however, share your hopes that Manafort achieves peace. He deserves to to rot in there forever. But I will gladly forgo that justice in the name of taking down Trump, as long as Trump takes his place in the slammer.

[Stuart G]

23. If Manafort takes down Trump, and exposes all Trump's crimes, then I am for giving Manafort

some peace. If Trump rots in some cell, (very unlikely) by himself, for a long time...then I will give Manafort a pass. But that will never happen, and Manafort will get no pass. He will rot just like you say..

[cynatnite]

24. Spent the night once a few decades ago...

Got drunk, got in trouble and spent the night. Was let out the next morning. This was a small town so it wasn't all that terrifying. I don't even think it really counts. LOL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I was in jail for about four hours until my mom bailed me out.

I believe the bail was $10,000.00 dollars and she had to borrow $1,000.00 from a friend to pay the bailsman. I was in a local jail. I knew I was innocent and eventually sued the police for false arrest, false, imprisonment, and malicious prosecution and won. I was young, in great shape, and could take care of myself but I was scared to death of being taken to the county jail. Thankfully I wasn't.

[Sgent]

36. Pretty much this for me too

It was the early 90's and I was thrown in a drunk tank with about 10 of my friends (I was actually stone cold sober)... It wasn't fun then, and I wasn't alone.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

27. Bailed a friend out of jail

Okay it was a delinquent traffic ticket but none-the-less I got a really negative sad vibe during the brief time I was up there. I don't ever want to be on the other side of the bars.

[tazkcmo]

32. Yeah, it doesn't matter why really

It matters that you're there and the staff donocare about the why either. Everyone is a prisoner. Traffic tickets, thievery, assault. It doesn't matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. He is there because he hid money he made by propping up murderous dictators.

In a series of texts reviewed by Business Insider that appear to have been sent by Andrea to her sister, Jessica, in March 2015, Andrea said their father had "no moral or legal compass."

...

"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

…

"He is cash poor right now," the text said. "And now Ukraine is late in paying him."

...

"He is a sick f---ing tyrant," Andrea appears to have said to Bond about her father. "And we keep showing up and dancing for him. ... We just keep showing up and eating the lobster. Nothing changes."

[bronxiteforever]

37. +1 And he got bail & was free but kept working for his love, Mother Russia

He would put Putin and his thugs into the heart of the Republic. His leechcraft would have us crawling on all fours like a beast before a foreign power.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. If he was a garden variety crook I would have more sympathy for him.

I knew this guy who hacked American Express and got credit cards. He must have been really smart. He had specific rules for using the cards which his gf violated. The police arrived at his door one day. He could have done serious time but only did six months.


That's a lot different than the blood money Manafort earned by working for murderous dictators.

[bronxiteforever]

40. I agree.

[marylandblue]

38. If a conservative is someone who has been mugged,

A liberal is someone who has been arrested. Here is hoping Manafort finds his inner liberal.

[canetoad]

41. I once visited a prison

That had closed after 150 years and was open for tours before being redeveloped. The rock-breaking yards were still there, the graffiti, the spot where the last man executed in Australia escaped over the wall in 1965 before his hanging on the prison gallows in 1967.

The smell was the worst. A century and a half of grime, sweat and despair was ingrained in the concrete floors and bluestone walls and hung over and around the now empty gaol.

[Bluesaph]

44. he may be extorted

Gang requesting money to keep him safe.

We need him alive. That’s about it. And only until he’s useless.