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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 05:00 PM Jun 2018

Trump's minions are creating a border/immigration crisis in effort to change asylum/immigration laws

Something I’ve been noticing has been Trump’s mouthpieces circling questions about the separation of children from parents by saying it’s an issue with immigration laws and that Congress needs to act to change the laws. They are doing this from every quarter even when it is evident that this is a new policy change from them, not continuing application of existing law.

Here’s an example of Giuliani doing this. Note the way he interjects “comprehensive immigration reform” into his answer.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017496807

This is classic Shock Doctrine: create or use a crisis to get changes you wanted all along. It is being done in the most cynical and callous way possible. They have not been successful at getting the draconian changes they have wanted, so they are trying to force a reopening of legislating the “comprehensive” issue. They rip children from parents, then argue that the existing law is forcing them to do this so they can create a way to reintroduce substantive changes in the law.

The New Yorker has an excellent article which includes people identifying the underlying (and lie filled) process:


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-trump-administration-is-completely-unraveling-the-us-asylum-system

Since becoming Attorney General, Sessions has limited the ability of asylum seekers to appeal decisions, restricted the discretion that immigration judges have over their own dockets, and used his authority as Attorney General to personally review immigration cases—as he did in the case of the Salvadoran domestic-violence victim. “ ‘Zero tolerance’ is part of Sessions’s ongoing plans to rewrite asylum law,” Michelle Brané, of the Women’s Refugee Commission, told me. “The Administration is unilaterally dismantling access to any protection for those seeking safety.”

Just a month after it was announced, the zero-tolerance policy is giving rise to a full-blown crisis at the border. This may give Sessions the pretext he needs to institute further changes. In El Paso, as Texas Monthly reported earlier this month, officers are intercepting asylum seekers travelling from Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, before they can cross the bridge that separates the two cities. Elsewhere in Texas, asylum seekers are being told there isn’t enough room to process them on the American side of the border. “They are using that tactic as a way to push people out and deny people asylum,” Ruben García, who runs a migrant shelter along the border, told the Los Angeles Times.

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On Thursday, ice, the federal agency most directly associated with immigration enforcement, directed five medium-security federal prisons in California to take some sixteen hundred people into custody while they wait for a final determination in their civil immigration cases. An agency spokesperson cited a surge in illegal immigration as a reason for the demand for more space, but border crossings are actually at relatively low levels. In fact, much of the crowding at immigration detention centers is a consequence of the new zero-tolerance policy, which calls for the arrest and detention of people who, in the past, would have been released pending the outcome of their cases. “The government is manufacturing a border crisis as a way of saying, ‘This is why we need to change our asylum laws,’ ” Brané, of the Women’s Refugee Commission, said.

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Trump's minions are creating a border/immigration crisis in effort to change asylum/immigration laws (Original Post) suffragette Jun 2018 OP
....and make things so totally fucked up at the border.... magicarpet Jun 2018 #1
Definitely a piece of what they're after. And yes, a large part of this is to energize their base. suffragette Jun 2018 #2
An effort to promote fascism. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #3
Yes, another step on that ugly path. suffragette Jun 2018 #4
He was always that way, Ivanna said he kept a book of Hitler's speeches by the bed. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #5
We need more than a well investigated piece Boomerproud Jun 2018 #6
Yes. But it's a start. suffragette Jun 2018 #13
I believe there's another intended consequence.... Lars39 Jun 2018 #7
I had not thought of that aspect. You make a very good point. suffragette Jun 2018 #10
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2018 #8
Appreciate this, Solly. suffragette Jun 2018 #14
My pleasure Solly Mack Jun 2018 #18
this is a hostage situation............ Takket Jun 2018 #9
That's an apt description - a hostage situation. Agree that media should call it that. suffragette Jun 2018 #15
Yup terrorize Democrats into submission. This cannot work. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #11
We need to stay strong together against such vile actions. suffragette Jun 2018 #16
"Compromise immigration bill just allows kids to be detained like adults." Imperialism Inc. Jun 2018 #12
This is evil. And yes, it's what Trump "wanted all along. Schiff described it aptly. suffragette Jun 2018 #17

magicarpet

(14,150 posts)
1. ....and make things so totally fucked up at the border....
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jun 2018

.... that the only way to improve the situation is to build the 50 foot trDump wall coast to coast. Then during the midterms trDump and the Rethugs can say see we we're right from the outset - we needed the wall to stop the rapists, criminals, and drug dealers. Vote Rethug - be safe - be a patriot and love America.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
5. He was always that way, Ivanna said he kept a book of Hitler's speeches by the bed.
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:50 PM
Jun 2018

And the swine repugs always had their nazi loving faction, and those birchers took over the party, entirely, over the last decade.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
6. We need more than a well investigated piece
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jun 2018

In the New Yorker to get these facts out. I"m in a very sour mood today.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
7. I believe there's another intended consequence....
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 06:52 PM
Jun 2018

undermining Social Security. Undocumented immigrants contribute a lot to Social Security. A major shortfall might result if those contributions stop.

Takket

(21,565 posts)
9. this is a hostage situation............
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jun 2018

drumpf says this can be stopped if congress just sends him a bill to stop it AND fund the wall. that is what this is about. he created this situation and can stop it any time he wants........ but he's using the hostages to get the wall and media should call it what it is.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
12. "Compromise immigration bill just allows kids to be detained like adults."
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 10:31 PM
Jun 2018

The House’s “compromise” immigration bill doesn’t ban family separation — it just allows kids to be detained like adults.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/15/17467490/children-separated-parents-bill-congress

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The Republican bill doesn’t outlaw family separation. It doesn’t stop the Trump administration from choosing to prosecute asylum seekers who enter the US between ports of entry (official border crossings) for illegal entry, which results in parents being sent into criminal custody without their children. And it doesn’t even force the government not to separate parents who do present themselves legally for asylum from their children — something that has also been happening, though isn’t as widespread.

What the House bill does is get rid of the extra legal protections that children and families have in immigration detention: a requirement that children be kept in the “least restrictive” conditions possible, and that they not be detained any longer than necessary. This means that if the family is kept together, their parents must be released with them. The Trump administration calls those protections “loopholes,” and blames them for “forcing” the administration to keep asylum-seekers in custody by separating families.

If the House bill passed, the Trump administration probably would stop separating families. Instead, it would be able to keep children and parents in ICE detention until their cases were resolved — that is, they could be in held in detention indefinitely.

The House bill allows kids and families to be detained by ICE indefinitely — which is what Trump has wanted all along
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suffragette

(12,232 posts)
17. This is evil. And yes, it's what Trump "wanted all along. Schiff described it aptly.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 04:13 AM
Jun 2018

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/democrats-intensify-fight-for-immigrant-children--and-bludgeon-trump-and-republicans-ahead-of-midterms/2018/06/17/151266d2-7239-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.af203331c1ec

Appearing on “Meet the Press,” Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) likened the president’s demands to extortion.

“What the administration is doing is, they’re using the grief, the tears, the pain of these kids as mortar to build their wall,” Schiff said. “It’s an effort to extort a bill to their liking in the Congress.”
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