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If you are still supporting Trump, you are one hundred percent on-board with taking children away from their parents, and caging them like animals.
You can tell yourself that youre not but you are. At this point, for anyone to say, Just because I support Trump doesnt mean I agree with all of his policies, is no different than a German exonerating himself from the guilt of the extermination camps by claiming that he didnt really agree with all of Hitlers policies either.
Your pResident is taking children frightened, traumatized children away from their mothers, and is warehousing them in facilities often located thousands of miles away from where their parents are being held. Parents are not being told where their children are, or when or even if they will ever see them again.
Babies, toddlers, children too young to understand whats happening to them, are living in a state of constant fear. Their parents live with the emotional torture of not knowing what is being done to their children without even knowing if theyre still alive.
If you still support Trump, you SUPPORT THIS.
There is no law that decrees these actions. If you believe Trumps lie that he is upholding a law that simply does not exist, you are no different from those who saw cattle-cars full of people on their way to Auschwitz and dismissed their inevitable fate of starvation, torture and death as simply a matter of law.
Your pResident could end this inhumane nightmare with one phone call. But instead, he chooses not to.
If you still support Trump, you are complicit in all of the above. As a nation, we are now past the point of cherry-picking which policies we agree with or dont its time to pick a side.
Weve heard the Republicans say that every US prisoner is separated from their children when they are jailed. But there is no one currently incarcerated who has had his/her children imprisoned as well; there are no inmates who are refused the knowledge of their childrens whereabouts or welfare while they are behind bars. In other words, murderers, drug dealers, and rapists are given more humane treatment than desperate people who committed the crime of wanting a better life for their families.
What it comes down to is this: You either whole-heartedly and without reservation support a man who is putting innocent children in cages, or you dont support him at all. There is no wiggle-room here. There is no in-between place where you can hide behind that but I dont agree with all of his policies bullshit. You either ally yourself with decent people who find Trumps actions abhorrent, anti-American, and immoral or you ally yourself with him.
You either stand up for decency, compassion, and what is morally right or you lie down with Trump and wallow with him in that fetid swamp that defends his assault on innocent children.
You either withdraw your support from this immoral would-be dictator, or you raise your voice to condemn him.
You either stop pretending that a man who would take children away from their parents is a good Christian adhering to Christs teachings, or you condemn him for doing things that The Nazareen never condoned.
I am sick-to-death of those have defended this Idiot and his lies, but we are now at the breaking point. Separating children from their parents is not a squabble over policy it is a tipping point in defining who we are as Americans, and who we are as decent human beings.
If you still support Trump, you are as gutless, morally-bereft, and bigoted as he is. There is no getting around that.
I might remind everyone that after WWII, those who collaborated with the Nazis were not treated well by their countrymen and those who are collaborating with Trumps Nazi-like decrees wont be treated any better.
If you stand with Trump on this issue, you WILL face the consequences of your actions in the days to come. If you defend Trump on this issue, we will know who you are and will deal with you accordingly.
Youre either with decent, moral people who see the immorality of what is being done to children or you are completely in agreement with Trumps indecency and immorality.
Your choice - and you might want to speak up before it's too late to save your own wretched souls.
mcar
(42,307 posts)Soulless monsters.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)He had fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He said that the rarest thing to find after the war was a Nazi. Nobody admitted that they saw what was happening as they rounded up their Jewish neighbors who had lived among them for generations. This is a actual fact in that in one neighborhood in which at least twelve families that had been arrested in broad daylight not one German admitted that they knew anything about it. My cousin was in intelligence and he was assigned to a fact finding commission to assess what the level of complacency had been tolerated by the citizens. He pasted away only three years ago and remained to his death appalled at what had transpired among educated, supposedly Christians. I wonder if we are living in the same environment that will allows us to be blind to the injustices that the Republicans are demonstrating. It is not just limited to the undocumented immigrants, but to our Black, Hispanic, Asian, Gay, etc. citizens.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...Yes, its horrible, but its the irresponsible parents that are entirely to blame. Were just enforcing the law; its not our fault if parents choose to break it.
(In other words, the Ve vere only folloving orders defense.)
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Juliusseizure
(562 posts)Its not the law, its a policy decision by Trump.
If they think its the law, then they support a law that is child abuse by asking for its enforcement. Its literally torture to children under the standard definition.
Either way theyre immoral racist scum by repeating that line. I have Trump supporting relatives and they wouldnt dare repeat that shit to my face unless they want a verbal beating. I will not associate with garbage.
Civic Justice
(870 posts)We must realize...what is the Republican system and its followers: "Savages Upon and Against America" : What we must know about Savages - : (people regarded as primitive and uncivilized)
American Dignity must All Speak Up, to stand against and remove the Savages From Our American System and its Democracy.
We must find a way to get every VOTING AGE AMERICAN INSPIRED WITH A RELENTLESS PASSION TO "Vote" !!!!! Democrats In !!!!
Cha
(297,196 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Once the parents are deported. There can be no justification for keeping those children from their parents.
I am ashamed of my country. I have been since November 8, 2016, but now I am so incredibly ashamed I want to cry.
Cha
(297,196 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)She of course does not have the money to investigate , or fight the US from Guatemala to get her son back
Cha
(297,196 posts)Zone for those whose Children have been Kidnapped by trump and his fucking doormats.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)And a woman describing how children are separated then can not be found later
https://abcnews.go.com/US/inhumane-theyre-us-mothers-guatemalan-woman-separated-year/story?id=55902532
The separation of parents and children in detention is so prevalent that Murzda has heard about cases where a mother goes to take a shower and comes back to find her child is gone, the lawyer said. Murdza is no longer directly involved with Jessica's immigration case, she said.
During Jessica's time in detention, one mother from Guatemala had been separated from her son for seven days, one Honduran woman was unable to find her son, and when another mother from El Salvador was taken to see her daughter, they were unable to find the child, Jessica said.
By the time Jessica left the detention center, the children still hadn't been located she said, describing the separations as "inhumane."
In addition, the officers allegedly threw the detainees' food on the floor "as if we were dogs," Jessica stated in the declaration.
"The only food that they gave us was ham sandwiches and cookies," she said. "Some of the women were pregnant and fainted because of how crowded it was, the stress, and because there was not enough food and water."
Cha
(297,196 posts)No way would they take the care that is needed to make sure they knew what kid belonged WHERE!
How dare those MFs.. They know how Deplorable it is or Asshole trump wouldn't be trying to blame it on the Dems. Who are down there trying to get the Country's Attention as to exactly what trump is doing..
Link to tweet
Or..
Link to tweet
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)isn't possible in Merica..... if one hasn't spent time with the goobers n gomers they just don't understand how gullible these people are.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)They will never waiver.
madaboutharry
(40,209 posts)and echoed my own thoughts.
But I fear these words are lost on Trumps collaborators. I dont think they care. They have hate in their hearts and most likely believe this treatment is deserved. It has been hard for me to accept that so many Americans are so hateful.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...hold it as an article of faith that its possible and even easy to gain permanent residency/citizenship here, as long as you are of good character and are willing to follow the proper procedures. Therefore, it follows that all these illegals dont want to be bothered with following the law, or are criminals who would be caught and turned away if they tried.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They will say of DACA - why they have had years to apply for citizenship!
Interesting that they more or less think the situation is what you'd basically call "open border." Anyone who wants to be a citizen just has to apply!
thegoose
(3,115 posts)Nixon was an old white asshole who ran the show. Reagan was an old white asshole who ran the show (sort of, he was pretty debilitated and just needed to be sort of propped up for appearancea). And Shrub was a sort of (at the time) old white asshole who ran the show. And they all had (have) old white assholes backing them up. Kissinger. Darth Cheney. Ghouliani.
It goes back further than that. Free-spirited actress Tallulah Bankhead said that the Puke party was obsolete. And that was in 1950!
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)MikeJelf
(37 posts)To be a Trumpster you need a high tolerance for lying to yourself while pretending you don't know you're lying -- like your Dear Leader himself.
For instance you need to "believe" a big wall on the southern border will keep out foreign barbarians better than the ones in China and Northern England did -- and that Mexico will pay for it.
You have to insist Trump's not a racist, his own words notwithstanding.
You need to pretend Trump is a man of his word, though he promised to debate Bernie Sanders during the campaign then reneged. You need to "forget" Trump said he'd "100%" answer questions of the Mueller probe, because he's innocent of wrongdoing, but now tap dances the question and has stooges McConnell and McCarthy calling for the special counsel to stop finding crimes to prosecute.
But to be a REAL Trumpster you need that perverse love for pointless cruelty against the powerless which unites so many in the modern world with spectators in Rome's Coliseum two millennia ago. But even then, the purveyors of the emperor's spectacles knew better than to have the beasts rip apart children.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...."Americans knew what they were getting when they voted."
Yes, THAT'S WHY THEY VOTED FOR CLINTON!!!
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)The blue wave will wipe out these creatures for a generation. The country will not forget the actions of Trump and family. The clock is ticking and when Dems take over Congress I dont want to hear anything about moving forward or taking the high road. I want sweet vengeance and brutal punishment for all the collaborators. I want to see them all stripped of their wealth and inprisoned. Congressional investigations should drag these bastards before oversight committees and strip them of their dignity. I truly despise Trump and his henchmen and wish them a future full of nothing but pain and misfortune.
Chipper Chat
(9,678 posts)Calling Trump a LIAR, etc. They need to keep it up until the whole country hears about it (The rest of the world already knows it).
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)to call on good 'Merican Catholics to raise their voices?
Leith
(7,809 posts)My point of no return was on December 14, 2012. In the days following the massacre, rethugs hemmed, hawed, and promised thoughts and prayers - and nothing else. It was then that I knew that they were evil personified and it was too late for them to change as far as I was concerned.
They sided with murderers and other hate criminals then and they ARE murderers and other hate criminals now.
axm
(91 posts)These are some of the darkest days in US history when our Democracy was usurped by a hostile foreign government colluding with a lawless and morally bankrupt party and candidate.
Hopefully Mueller will bring these cretins down and restore America's future.
It will take time and it will be messy.
But it needs to be done.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)This is child abuse. This is creating another generation of terrorists that hates the US. They turned the Bible into some kind of pornographic perverted instruction book for abusing children. This policy is the brain child of the Nazi, Steven Miller . Miller will never be able to go out in public without body guards or a disguise. If Steven Miller is goes to prison for child abuse things could get dicey. He'll have to get tattoos and join the Aryan Brotherhood or become a prison bride in an arranged marriage.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)I have come to believe that any remaining Trump supporters are racists. There are probably some who are well-off and like the tax cuts, etc, but otherwise those who follow Trump now are hate-filled, racists.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Watch for notifications of organized marches against this inhumane policy as early as Monday.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)As far as Im concerned Trump, Sessions and Steven Miller are committing crimes against humanity now.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)"They are job creators!"
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)that damages children in their most formative years
Americans will not stand for this policy, nor the brutes that made or enforce it.
Trump has stripped liberals of their tax system, public lands, health policies and regulations, and now he's detaining children in cages.
This will not stand, but he will stand behind it because in his view he is NEVER wrong about anything. He owns this. This is the point of no political return and Congress may move another 10 seats left just because of this evil policy.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)by creating his own #FakeNews and LYING about it.
No go, sonny. Your arrogance and self-importance are your hubris.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Why are you not earning your living as an editorial writer for someone like WaPo or NYT? Your voice needs to be heard by a much larger audience!
K & R
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Kick
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)This is really happening. Those who pretend that it isn't, or know in their hearts that it is but shrug and say "what can we do?" are complicit.
This is really happening. In America.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If you get my drift.
That goes triple for anyone with the gall to call themselves Christian and goes along with Trump's child concentration camps!
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DFW
(54,370 posts)We will need to charter a jumbo jet to Schipol, and deliver a great number of Trump administration participants to the Hague Tribunal for crimes against humanity. I would welcome the news that for many of these "Endlösung" enthusiasts, it will be a one-way trip.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)Languishing in a jail in the Netherlands is certainly one of the least harsh I can think of.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)He could stop this, he chooses to not do so. It is a choice.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I tried a search for some background info. Is she the young, attractive woman living in Toronto? I am never even close when matching my mental picture of someone with the reality. My guess was a woman of some years with ties to the MSM.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... but my "young and attractive" days are far behind me. And other than having had some of my pieces read on-air by a few radio personalities (Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Mike Malloy), I have no association with the MSM.
But thanks for the kind words!
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Those on the wrong side of history will be brought to justice and their deeds will be emblazoned on their family names for all eternity alongside the Vichy French, the Nazi Party, the Communist apparatchiks and every other group of craven opportunists and scumbags.
J'accuse! To be "Trump" is to be inhumane, unacceptable, dirty. To remain "Trump" in the future is to declare ones' self as 'guilty' forevermore...
duforsure
(11,885 posts)This is a pattern trump and the gop have started long ago when they took away food programs for children, took away health care for children, destroying the EPA and their air and water ,and has taken away now their hope for a better life free from being terrorized, and trump terrorizes them for life. Pathetic and disturbing how anyone could do this to children. This is abuse pure and simple. They will be haunted forever for supporting this extreme brutality.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)because the children are foreign and their parents are stealing jobs away. They justify it in their minds that crossing the border is just as bad as other crimes like murder or rape but much worse than white collar crimes like financial fraud or tax evasion or money laundering or Russian collusion.
Twitler campaigned on this and it can be shocking to see a politician actually deliver on his promises, even if it's monstrous.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)As Dena Patrick wrote on Facebook the other day:
It started on Day 1, when Biff announced his candidacy. The demonizing of Those People, especially Mexicans. The thing is, in the Trump cult, "Mexicans" has come to equal all immigrants, all refugees and basically all brown people. You know, the ones from shithole countries.
The demonizing of the Other leads to dehumanization, and we see what types of government action that leads to now, very clearly. The Muslim ban was just the beginning. His cult followers have been acting out on the rage-based bigotry since his campaign: hate crimes against anyone who even looks like they may not be a citizen (which in the cultist's eyes are all brown people) are up, sharply, as is race/ethnicity-based bullying in schools. Biff didn't create this white supremacist/nationalist rage, he just tapped into it and has stoked it nonstop.
Now we have families being ripped apart at the border. Families escaping horrifically violent circumstances, trying to save the lives of their children. We're not talking about people simply wanting a better economic circumstance -- they're fleeing death, hoping the country the world has always viewed as welcoming the world's tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free will provide refuge.
https://www.facebook.com/dena.patrick/posts/10216706947849871
#MonstersAreGoverningAmerica
Collimator
(1,639 posts)Except to point out that elected officials and others are being denied access to these places for the purposes of the most basic oversight to ensure that little children are being cared for humanely.
Maybe the reason for this is that the people behind it know that the whole situation is inhumane.
However, if anyone out there wants to proclaim that words like "inhumane" and "abuse" and "mistreatment" are an overstatement, then challenge them. Why not let any elected officials or media reporters or even child advocate officials in to visit? If the children are being cared for properly and their "housing" is adequate and entirely legal, why are the representaives of the public being told to essentially mind their own business?
If it is being done in the name of the American people, then the American people have a right to know all the details.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)Pussy Grabber's supporters need to learn just how guilty they are in this entire sorry debacle that started in November 2016. They are ALL guilty for having voted for this fat motherfucker, and there is truly nobody else to blame.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Yes!
NanceGreggs speaks for me.
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)With the exception of trolls, we ALL agree with you
Wish this post could last long enough on a red forum for a few knuckle draggers to read it!
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... that Trump supporters can't read.
debsy
(530 posts)...dumpster has been known to associate with human traffickers and we know the Russians are heavily invested in such activity. It would not surprise me one iota if they start making kids disappear. This is, indeed, no joke. The man in our White House is a wannabe despot. I'm sure they are blackmailing all members of congress who aren't actually in on the coup like McConnell and Ryan are. We'd better figure something out pretty quickly because it can only spiral out of control from here.
LudwigPastorius
(9,139 posts)A large percentage of them are racists, and its not that big of a leap from their belief that a person of another race is inferior, to believing that a person of another race is not a person at all.
The Armenian slaughter, Nazi Germany, Rwanda...all were the result of that way of thinking.
Chilling.