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Richard Painter (MN-SEN) campaign ad: "Dumpster Fire" (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2018 OP
He seems very stiff and awkward Bettie Jun 2018 #1
He has shingles and Ramsay Hunt syndrome causing partial facial paralysis oberliner Jun 2018 #3
OK, but I wasn't talking about pysically Bettie Jun 2018 #4
What do you expect from an recent ex-Republican Purple Mountain Maje Jun 2018 #9
I did look him up Bettie Jun 2018 #12
What, you don't like ambulance-chaser ads? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #11
Your statement is everything I hate about politics. Oneironaut Jun 2018 #5
Short ads like this are all about first impressions Bettie Jun 2018 #7
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, "you go to the election with the voters you have" brooklynite Jun 2018 #8
And, that's why Democrats lose when they should win NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #14
Charisma always wins SoCalDem Jun 2018 #22
I'll always love him for taking a bite out of Hugh Hewitt... JaneQPublic Jun 2018 #2
Every time I see him he is passionately upset and disturbed by everything that is happening. Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #6
Oh look, Richard Painter is angry and wants you to know it. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #10
I like him. State the Obvious Jun 2018 #13
Nope. awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #15
You like the guy who helped get Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court? Okay. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #16
Fuck him and the horse he rode on wellst0nev0ter Jun 2018 #17
What's your basis for saying we're about to get him? brooklynite Jun 2018 #19
no, he is not going to win . Tina Smith who replaced Franken will beat Painter and keep the seat JI7 Jun 2018 #20
I don't give a damn about Painter.. I want Al Franken's Cha Jun 2018 #18
I like Richard Painter but I prefer him outside of elected office JI7 Jun 2018 #21

Bettie

(16,120 posts)
4. OK, but I wasn't talking about pysically
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jun 2018

in my opinion, his voice lacks warmth, but that could be due to his illness. I don't live in MN, so I know virtually nothing about him.

My first impression was that the ad was not very effective.

 
9. What do you expect from an recent ex-Republican
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jun 2018

If I was a DFL, I'd stay far away from Painter as possible. By our definition, he isn't a real Dem anyways.

Bettie

(16,120 posts)
12. I did look him up
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jun 2018

Ethics chief for W? It would take an awful lot for me to vote for that. An awful lot.

Because there were no ethics in W's admin. Well, compared to our current disaster there might have been a smidge, but not enough to show.

Oneironaut

(5,522 posts)
5. Your statement is everything I hate about politics.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jun 2018

I know it’s not realistic to expect personality not to matter in politics, but we’re approaching a point where being a showman is more important than being intelligent or stable. I would rather have someone like this than a carnival barker with ridiculous theatrics and gimmicks.

Bettie

(16,120 posts)
7. Short ads like this are all about first impressions
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jun 2018

The casual voter, those who don't watch debates or read about positions will tend to react based on an impression in an ad like this.

So, I gave an opinion based on that first impression. I did not think the ad would be particularly effective as a first impression of the candidate.

Others may differ in their opinions.

brooklynite

(94,699 posts)
8. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, "you go to the election with the voters you have"
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jun 2018

Voters engage with candidates on multiple levels, and unfortunately charisma, one-to-one engagement, age, hair color and voice are all factors they take into account.

As for "someone like this", I'd rather have Senator Tina Smith.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. And, that's why Democrats lose when they should win
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jun 2018

Democrats do well with young, smart and charismatic candidates - JFK, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama come to mind.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was the smooth and optimistic former actor, one of the most charismatic Republicans of the 20th century. Jimmy Carter, while smart and extremely competent, was portrayed as stiff and indecisive. Reagan wins big.

1984, Reagan swamps Walter Mondale, a smart and competent, but low charisma candidate.

1988 featured two low charisma candidates, but Mike Dukakis took blandness to epic levels. Bush wins on Reagan’s coattails.

1992 featured the young and charismatic Bill Clinton against low charisma George HW Bush. Clinton wins handily.

1996 was Clinton again versus stern and serious Bob Dole. Clinton wins handily.

2000 featured “down home” regular guy George W. Bush and out of touch and overly serious elitist Al Gore. Bush ekes out a win.

2004 featured Bush again against smart and competent but bland John Kerry. Bush wins.

2008 was young and charismatic Barack Obama against stern and serious John McCain. Obama wins.

2012 was Obama again versus the elitist and out of touch Mitt Romney. Obama wins.

2016 was Hillary Clinton – very smart and competent, but not the most exciting person. Donald Trump was a train wreck, but he had that smarmy con-man charisma that sucked up all the media attention. Trump ekes out a win.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
22. Charisma always wins
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 03:23 AM
Jun 2018

People want an ice cream sundae with all the trimmings...not a fat free vanilla soy ice cream dip in a cup

pizzazz is a FACT... unfortunately it's not always smart (see Trump)

tall smart exciting is a winner..

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
2. I'll always love him for taking a bite out of Hugh Hewitt...
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jun 2018

...After Hewitt put down Painter for coming from a "flyover state."

 

Trek4Truth

(515 posts)
6. Every time I see him he is passionately upset and disturbed by everything that is happening.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jun 2018

I shall not criticize him.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,394 posts)
10. Oh look, Richard Painter is angry and wants you to know it.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:37 PM
Jun 2018

Dude knew he couldn't win as an anti-Trump Republican so he switched parties to take on the endorsed incumbent. Wonderful. Why anyone gives him the time of day is beyond me -- and this "you don't get paid until we do" ad says it all.

State the Obvious

(842 posts)
13. I like him.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jun 2018

He is an ethics attorney and....just what we need.

Since we lost Al Franken's voice, we need someone like Painter who is a person not afraid to speak up! We can't straddle the fence on this one.

Painter sounds angry because he IS angry. Republicans are ruining our country, and we need to see more people in Congress who are willing to demand ETHICAL behavior from our president.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
15. Nope.
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 04:27 PM
Jun 2018

Read his history of Twitter tweets. He's angry, sure, he's still very much a Bush republican. He's just being an opportunist.

Rather have a Dem like Tina Smith.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
17. Fuck him and the horse he rode on
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jun 2018

We had a real democrat in Franken, but the other democrats lynched him. Now we're about to get this Bush acolyte, and people are actually going along with it.

Cha

(297,514 posts)
18. I don't give a damn about Painter.. I want Al Franken's
Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:58 PM
Jun 2018

choice for Senator from Minnesota.. Tina Smith.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
21. I like Richard Painter but I prefer him outside of elected office
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:20 AM
Jun 2018

and doing what he had been doing since Trump got into office.

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