What is Rep. Joe Crowley doing in tonight's debate?

[kamalafan]

Instead of debating his primary challenger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this evening, he sent a surrogate to debate her. He also posted photos of himself in the arena earlier in the day. What in the world? Is this even allowed? I've never heard of such a thing before. This seem rather weird and strange to me.

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[RandySF]

1. Crowley is trying to get the detention centers closed.

Where is Our Revolution when we need them most?

[kamalafan]

2. What does that have to do with my question

if this sort of thing is normal?

[RandySF]

3. You wanted to know where is was.

There is more urgent business at the moment than a campaign appearance.

[kamalafan]

4. He was in the arena earlier in the day

and posting photos. My question is subbing a surrogate in an official debate allowed under guidelines? It seems strange.

More urgent than a primary debate? Hm.

[NY_20th]

6. Yes, it's more urgent than a primary debate.

This is a humanitarian crisis involving children.

[Blue_true]

14. Crowley had a more important issue to give his attention to.

That is leadership, and any rational person would view that as perfectly ok.

[kamalafan]

19. Are you sure?

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[Blue_true]

29. Yes, are you? nt

[kamalafan]

31. Yes 100% so

[marble falls]

44. Well that just settles it: you're questioning his integrity for no particular reason ....

but you're 100% sure.

The disaster at our borders is more important than a primary debate.

I'm 101% certain of that.

[Hortensis]

47. Kamalafan, MANY Democratic members of congress

turned out at child and adult detention centers around the nation in the past few days, insisting on meeting with parents, touring facilities, leading rallies, discussing legislative actions, and otherwise being very busy trying to put a quick stop to this inhumane policy.

I'm kinda surprised you hadn't heard about it. But, maybe next time assume there's going to be a valid reason. After all, we're the good guys. Republicans are bad guys, as they keep reminding us.

Near San Diego


New Jersey

[AtomicKitten]

17. 'Whataboutism' as I live and breathe.

Why stop there?

Where's Superman?
Where's Waldo?
Where's Jimmy Hoffa?
Where's the guy scheduled to be in the f'ing debate?

[RandySF]

18. Doing his job.

[NY_20th]

5. Crowley and Orcasio Cortez had a very productive

and cordial debate last Friday.

Crowley's attention is now on protecting the children who are being separated from their parents at the border.

Fighting against Trump's disgusting immigration policy is at the utmost importance right now.

[RandySF]

7. There are doers and talkers

Hillary is raising money to provide legal representation for separated families while....others....are talking and tweeting.

[NY_20th]

9. and acting like the kids are a distraction.

These kids are of the utmost importance right now.

Our entire democracy is at stake.

[kamalafan]

8. I find it strange

It seems like this would hurt his chances to be re-elected by subbing a surrogate, especially after he posted pictures of himself in the arena earlier today where the debate was taking place which IMHO leads people in attendance and voters that he is excited to be there for the debate itself. I've never seen such a thing done before and am unaware if this is actually allowed or if he is automatically DQ'ed from the debate. (sorry so long winded there.)

[NY_20th]

10. I find it strange that you are more concerned about this debate,

than the humanitarian crisis that is happening right now.

NY 14 is a safe Democratic district. A democrat will hold that seat regardless of this primary.

[kamalafan]

13. I find it strange you're tyrying to gaslight me but ok

I wasn't talking about what's happening with ICE and am wondering about the rules of the debate.

[NY_20th]

20. Google the Crowly-Ocasio Cortez Friday Debate

You'll find the entire debate online.

[kamalafan]

21. It's Monday.

[NY_20th]

24. Are you aware that they had a very productive debate

last Friday?

[kamalafan]

27. Correct. He was scheduled to debate this evening.

Voters deserve to hear opposing views.

[NY_20th]

32. There was a debate, and the voters in New York heard it and

have access to hearing it if they missed it.

You can watch it here,

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[AtomicKitten]

36. That was a prior debate. He was a no show tonight.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1008876093653348353

[kamalafan]

38. That is Monday and not this evening

Let's cancel all debates because Trump did something bad isn't how to win over voters.

[brooklynite]

67. I don't think Crowley will lose many voters by missing a debate that most voters didn't watch

[LanternWaste]

45. I dig how move from "very strange and very weird" to the implication voters are being refused

I dig how move from "very strange and very weird" to the vague and irrelevant implication voters are being refused opposing views without any evidence to support it.

You do it so organically, and with such deft creativity. жизнь хороша

[Blue_true]

22. What is happening with ICE is more important than the debate.

The debate can be rescheduled, my guess is important meetings for Crowley concerning the abuse of immigrant children came up suddenly, he dealt with the most important issues himself and sent a surrogate to a debate that he did not have time to get rescheduled.

[kamalafan]

23. He was meeting with vets

at the time he was supposed to be debating his primary opponent. This has absolutely nothing to do with immigrant children.

[NY_20th]

28. Who scheduled this debate you are complaining about?

There was a very productive debate that was aired in New York last Friday, just three days ago.

[Fla Dem]

55. Just because the tweet is time stamped at 7:27pm doesn't mean that's when they met.

It could have been earlier in the day or even another day. Do you know when they met?

[Demsrule86]

74. I don't care about a debate.

[RandySF]

11. I don't think anyone cares about Our Revolution's wounded feelings right now.

based on primary results so far.

[kamalafan]

16. This isn't about OR

Not sure what OR has to do with Crowley subbing a surrogate at a debate and my question if that is allowed or not which nobody thus far has an answer for.

[Blue_true]

25. Yes, it is allowed. He could have simply chosen to not show up or send anyone.

The fact that he sent someone while he dealt with more important issues shows respect for his opponent.

[kamalafan]

30. Really?

I honestly wasn't aware of this. I've never seen this done before. I was rather perplexed when I read the tweet.

[JCanete]

62. the fact that you decide that he can't do both and that apparently speaking to the people of his

district in a civil debate with a contestant for that seat to represent them isn't important, or as important as anything else he may choose to do instead, is your value set. What you don't think is important is the particular challenger in this race.

What is true, is that he has it locked up, so he can be smug and he can do something as condescending as sending a surrogate in his place.

No, that does not show respect for his opponent and you know it.

[MrsCoffee]

46. Did you even read the thread that you linked to? Of course it is about OR and their divisive shit.

[Fla Dem]

54. Well evidently it was allowed, as it was held and the other participant showed up.

What's your point?

[Gothmog]

35. Who cares about Our Revolution?

I find the candidates endorsed by Our Revolution to be very very weak

[kamalafan]

41. We aren't talking about Our Revolution

[Gothmog]

42. Yes we are

Our Revolution is endorsing another non democrat to run against a real democrat. I have no trouble with real democrats taking a hard stand against the non-democrats endorsed by Our Revolution.

[RhodeIslandOne]

51. Read the tweet

They are.

[Gothmog]

56. The Our Revolution group has been losing some many races that this one is a priority to them

The Our Revolution group and the idiots on JPR are really pushing this race as some sort of litmus test.

[Gothmog]

70. Sarandon is supporting the our revolution candidate

That will hurt with real democrats

[George II]

52. What does want to see in a Representative's priorities - attend a debate (even though there...

....are others, and one just two days later) or work as a Representative to stop the trump administration's Gestapo tactics?

As for the "rules" for the debate, you're asking the wrong people here.

[AtomicKitten]

12. He posted this 3 hours ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/repjoecrowley/status/1008858649819742210

He skipped the debate to meet with vets apparently.

[kamalafan]

15. Thanks!

Though odd.

[AtomicKitten]

26. u r welcome

[Me.]

33. Nancy Wouldn't Have Sent A Surrogate

[Gothmog]

34. Democratic Rep. Joe Crowley collapses during immigration protest

Crowley was sick due to the protests and appears to be recovering https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/politics/joe-crowley-protest-collapse-heat/index.html

House Democratic Chairman Joe Crowley collapsed during a protest in Washington on the Trump administration's immigration policy that has been separating parents and children at the southern border.

Crowley, who is from New York, was participating in the protest alongside his Democratic colleagues in the House.
Lauren French, the spokesperson for Crowley, told CNN he is fine and had collapsed due to heat exhaustion.
After Crowley collapsed, he got back up and walked out of the protest.

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[AtomicKitten]

37. That was three days ago.

He looked fine in the picture he posted of himself in New York today; see upthread.

[kamalafan]

40. Hew also debated her after he had collapsed

on Friday lol

[Hortensis]

49. Why are you so against him? Republicans

talk this way on other forums, but no one cares this much about the debate.

Joe Crowley is getting a lot of attacks, of course, because he's one of our Democratic powerhouses and could even be Nancy's successor as Speaker of the House.

Do you not want him as speaker? Is that it? He's to the left of Steny Hoyer, the leading contender. Or are you one of those hoping to replace this high-power leader with an unknown amateur?

If that's it, you have to be careful what you wish for, you know. We know who he is, a proven winner.

His challenger, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is, ridiculously, 28 years old with no record to judge her on. How corruptible or incorruptible would she turn out to be in the DC environment? How competent? Other members would have to shoulder most of Crowley's responsibilities, of course. But if she turned out to be a bad choice, how many terms would it take to get her out again? Maybe she's a great person with real potential to grow into, but shouldn't voters want her to start at a lower level (with less exposure to the huge corporate seductions of DC) and build a record they can scrutinize there?

[Gothmog]

43. Congressman Joe Crowley is a real democrat who was out marching with Congressman John Lewis

I was at the National Convention where the Sanders delegation engaged in a planned stunt of booing Congressman John Lewis. The Clinton whips warned the Clinton delegates about this stunt 20 or so minutes before it happened. Sanders was evidently told about this stunt and refused to try to stop it. I know that Our Revolution types were proud of this stunt. Here are some post from JPR were they were so very pleased about this stunt https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/hey-john-lewis-karmas-a-mf-aint-it/

Joe Crowley stands with Congressman John Lewis and most real Democrats will be standing with Congressman Joe Crowley

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[RhodeIslandOne]

48. I find it interesting that Crowley sent a woman of color

And the tweet called it “elitism and sexism”.

[RhodeIslandOne]

50. Of course, the Twitter thread is loaded with....

“Oligarch!” “Bernie and Nina!” and basically implying the person of color sent was some kind of token. Good stuff

[Gothmog]

53. I saw on JPR that the Our Revolution and JPR idiots are pushing this race

The idiots who post on JPR are pushing this race for some reason. It seems that Congressman Crowley is friends with Congressman John Lewis and so they want to defeat him.

[RhodeIslandOne]

58. Fuck the Jackass Radicals

[Gothmog]

61. It seems that Putin wants this Our Revolution candidate to win

There is so much Russian fake news on JPR that it is not even funny

[H2O Man]

57. Recommended.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a wonderful example of the type of Democrat that our party needs in 2018 and beyond.

[disillusioned73]

60. Not according to DU..

I agree with you though..

You would think a Latina that is pretty on point on most issues would be a "rising star"??.. oh, & she wants to abolish ICE - unlike all the faux resisters..

[H2O Man]

63. A segment of DU.

And, as this thread shows, they are vocal. And that's a good thing, in the sense of having open and honest discussions among the various segments here.

Of course, most folks here are unfamiliar with her -- which is a shame. Most aren't in NYS, much less her district. And I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that most of those who are voicing opposition to her aren't in our state, or her district. Thus, instead of a meaningful discussion about her qualifications, we see so many attempting to distract from that, and instead try to exploit "guilt by association" with some of her possible supporters.

I hope that she gets elected to Congress. That does not translate, in any manner, to an anti-Crowley stance. It simply means that I recognize and appreciate that she is the superior candidate in terms of representing people.

[disillusioned73]

65. Exactly..

"Thus, instead of a meaningful discussion about her qualifications, we see so many attempting to distract from that, and instead try to exploit "guilt by association" with some of her possible supporters."

The party has been in decline... and this is the reason why

[Gothmog]

72. You know that Sarandon is backing this candidate

For many real democrats, that is a negative

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[Demsrule86]

75. Sorry backed by OR and Sarandon disqualifies her for me ...in any primary.

[disillusioned73]

59. Alexandria Ocasio is very impressive..

[H2O Man]

64. Extremely powerful!

Thank you for this. I hope folks will watch this with an open mind .....for closed minds, like closed rooms, often become stuffy.

I may try to do a brief interview with her for this forum.

[Demsrule86]

76. I won't support OR candidates in any primary...now I don't live in New York...but will send a

donation... to the sitting Democrat.

[disillusioned73]

77. He doesn't need your chump change ;)

trust me...

[brooklynite]

66. Crowley on the floor with John Lewis yesterday speaking out on migrant family separation

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[Gothmog]

68. I am glad to see Congressman Al Green standing next to John Lewis and Joe Crowley

[Gothmog]

69. Joe Crowley stood with John Lewis which is good enough for me

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Congressman John Lewis is a national treasure

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[Gothmog]

71. Sarandon is backing the Our Revolution candidate

This should doom this candidate

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[Demsrule86]

73. working to help the kidnapped kids...way more important than debating a Susan Sarandon

endorsed candidate running for a Democratic held seat.