Wondering if Babygate might be a carefully crafted distraction from Russiagate?

[Amaryllis]

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Interesting timing with what's happening with Manafort and Cohen. He who shall not be named is an expert at creating distractions, whether intentional or otherwise, with help from GOP who have a huge investment in diverting from the Russia probe focus.

Edited to add: I did NOT say by himself. SOMEONE, or someones, planned this and it has totally distracted everyone from the Russia probe. The timing is suspicious. A lot of the GOP is complicit in Russiagate. This is a great distraction for them, and . this plays right into Putin's strategy of sowing discord. Someone had to plan it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No. Trump isn't a strategic thinker, and I'm sure he had no idea

that he'd have to fold like a cheap lawn chair when public opinion turned against him. He's been able to get away with all sorts of awful things and he most likely thought he'd get away with this, too.

[TeamPooka]

29. I agree. He thought he was throwing red meat to his base and then the rest of the country reacted

with more revulsion than he expected.
Look how cocky he was when he was trying to Blame Democrats for this over and over.
He totally thought he would skate on this.

[Sophia4]

2. If so, Trump has a surprise coming to him.

People angry about Babygate will be even more angry about Russiagate.

Trump needs to quit. He is not capable of handling the presidency. It is a lot harder than he expected. He has no talent for diplomacy or even thinking deeply and finding solutions to difficult problems. He is not the right person for the presidency.

[Generic Brad]

35. He doesn't know when to quit

[Amaryllis]

3. Note I said with help from GOP. Not by himself.

[manor321]

4. I never understand these threads

Trump fucks up badly. He flails around a lot. In chaos, with no direction.

Then someone asks if it is all part of a smart plan.

NO. It is not part of a plan. He's just incompetent and malicious, period.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Exactly. He's so often been regarded as a brilliant criminal mastermind

who cleverly sets all kinds of traps way in advance and then cackles evilly as his nefarious plot is carried out. He is capable of attempting distractions for a day with a tweet or two, but there are no master plans. He does everything on the fly and just thrashes around, tweeting incoherently and repeating his campaign lies.

[Takket]

7. this

[Dave Starsky]

10. Yes.

There is no 4-dimensional chess involved. He is a brutal idiot. He does what brutal idiots will do.

[JI7]

13. +

[Trek4Truth]

21. Agreed. nt

[GoCubsGo]

6. Yes. Intentional or not.

[H2O Man]

8. No.

Keep in mind that Stephen Miller crafted this. He is a dim-wit.

How stupid is Stephen? Think about this: he penned the letter Trump "wrote" to justify firing Jim Comey for the Russian investigation. The following day, when others read the letter, they panicked, and convinced Trump to get the Attorney General's office to draft different letters, focusing on how Mr. Comey handled the Clinton e-mail "scandal." Mr. Mueller has a copy of Stephen's original letter.

The combined intelligence of Trump & Miller is not capable of a "carefully crafted" anything.

[Hekate]

9. Not in itself, but Chaos is how he operates, one thing after another until no one can keep up...

People are asking if this is "Trump's Katrina." Well, no. That would be the hurricane in Puerto Rico -- but we just cannot keep up.

Watch out for the next thing, but try to remember what came before.

[bdamomma]

23. Puerto Rico is another

crime against humanity, and they are American citizens, so what makes us think we won't get pulled into some sort of trump's sick delusional warped thinking.

[MagickMuffin]

11. Robert Meuller won't be distracted

That's what matters the most with the Election/Russian scandal

[PSPS]

12. Hardly. Trump is dumb. He thought this would force a billl that included funding for his wall.

[JI7]

14. You think Robert Mueller is distracted ?

[Amaryllis]

15. No, of course not. But the media and the American people are totallly focused on this now.

[JI7]

16. What difference does it make ? Both stories show trump in a negative way

[bdamomma]

24. but Mueller is still

doing his work. Focused and dedicated.

[machoneman]

27. I think they thought it would be months before the media, then the public, caught on!

But, making enemies of all but his deplorables meant everyone else would go after Trump and his minions without pause.

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Not a chance. Trump miscalculated. He is a selfish bastard and did not realize

that normal people actually give a damn about kids.

He must not have been watching when they turned the fire hoses on Black kids in Alabama and the nation suddenly had a huge crisis of conscience about civil rights.

[jmowreader]

18. If it is a "carefully crafted distraction," Trump didn't do the crafting

Donald Trump is dumb as a rock. Everyone here knows that. Given that, he has surrounded himself with smart-but-evil people with ties to Russia. It would not surprise me to find out one of Trump's controllers set up Babygate to distract from the Mueller investigations.

[Amaryllis]

20. "It would not surprise me to find out one of Trump's controllers set up Babygate to distract from

the Mueller investigations." Exactly my point. His handlers were smart enough to steal the election. Putin's goal (one of them) was to create chaos, and this has done that. TRump had help pulling this off.

[mythology]

30. Such as?

Manafort? Bannon? Don Jr?

These aren't criminal geniuses.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

19. AND, from the disastrous budget bill up this wk which begins the process of undoing 100 yrs of

things like social security, public lands, public services etc. Ive thought for some time that the Repub party made a conscious bargain with the devil and have found that the ongoing chaos and outrage serves as a beautiful distraction while they busy themselves with robbing the candystore.

But "carefully crafted" - nah, its just working for them, is all.

[fierywoman]

22. NOT carefully constructed, but YES, a distraction.

[lame54]

25. Distractions from the Russia probe help us...

Lets Mueller work in peace and they have no time for their alternative narrative

[Amaryllis]

28. Good point!

[applegrove]

26. Or maybe greasing the wheels for the alternative, jailing children with

their parents in the long term?

[John Fante]

32. The Trump administration is about to be inudated with lawsuits

from all angles. He'd be wise to go back to the old system, quick.

Americans may have laughed off the Trump/Hitler comparisons before, but now he has concentration camps in the US (and let's not BS ourselves, that's exactly what they are), the laughter has stopped.

[applegrove]

34. It is not fair that we call them concentration camps. That word belongs to the people genocided in

WIWII. I know the British put people in 'concentration camps' in South Africa during the Boar War and they died of the flu. I know what the Germans called 'concentration camps' before WWII were detention camps where pesky journalists and others who did not please the nazis were held and fed before the war. Neither of those are what the words 'concentration camps' mean today. It means genocide. The Trump camps are traumatizing children and ruining the lives of these kids potentially. Talk to indigenous Canadians about the legacy of residential schools. That was ethnic cleansing. But nobody is trying to kill the kids at the border. I think we should leave the genocidal meaning with the words 'concentration camps'. And call these children 'children imprisoned by Trump' or 'detention centers housing families behind barbed wire' and 'children forcebly separated from their migrant parents'. Or other such things. Can't believe we have to clarify the difference between the Trump White House and Nazis murdering millions for real in this day and age, but we do. You are right on that.

[John Fante]

31. Let me get this straight.

Trump engineered the biggest fiasco of his presidency... to distract us from Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen? Two assholes most Americans have no clue exist?

Just no.

[Ilsa]

33. Not Russia, but what congress is doing? NT

[enid602]

36. Balanced

I have a feeling that the House Republicans are meeting regarding a balanced budget amendment, and will be forced to hit Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security given the tRump tax deficits.

[VOX]

37. Probably not. For a fascist dictatorship, Trumpists lack the necessary Teutonic discipline.

These freaks and misfits couldn’t assemble an IKEA night table.

But you’re correct about these new statists sowing discord, “flooding” the American citizenry with so much insane shit in a short span of time, that a brain-fog develops, and they simply give up. That’s Steve Bannon 101.

[D_Master81]

38. I wondered if it was the way to nix Sessions

I've been thinking maybe this was a roundabout way to get to Sessions.