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Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:18 PM

Those babies (under 2) will never be re-united with their families IMHO

They have no way of tracking (ugh that's a horrible term - like an Amazon package) those little babies. They will get adopted out to white families. Their birth parents are seen as something less than human so of course they will be better off with white families.

It is disgusting, but that is what my fear is. Those babies have no voice, no way of saying "hey that's not my mom or dad"

Think of how many children will grow up believing their parents abandoned them? Didn't love them?

This has happened before in our country

The Orphan Trains of the late 1800's and 1900's - literally grabbed kids (whether they had parents or not) off the streets of large cities like New York and shipped them off to homes in the midwest.

In Arizona - this scene met horrific consequences all the way to the Supreme Court

In 1904, New York nuns brought forty Irish orphans to a remote Arizona mining camp, to be placed with Catholic families. The Catholic families were Mexican, as was the majority of the population. Soon the town's Anglos, furious at this "interracial" transgression, formed a vigilante squad that kidnapped the children and nearly lynched the nuns and the local priest. The Catholic Church sued to get its wards back, but all the courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, ruled in favor of the vigilantes.

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Reply Those babies (under 2) will never be re-united with their families IMHO (Original post)
nadine_mn Jun 2018 OP
RandomAccess Jun 2018 #1
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #2
uppityperson Jun 2018 #4
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #8
nadine_mn Jun 2018 #6
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #9
pnwmom Jun 2018 #7
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #10
pnwmom Jun 2018 #11
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #14
karynnj Jun 2018 #13
sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #15
Lint Head Jun 2018 #3
ellie Jun 2018 #5
ooky Jun 2018 #12
Lars39 Jun 2018 #16
Vinca Jun 2018 #17

Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:22 PM

1. Plenty of them over 2 as well. In fact, it's clearly been the

 

very goal of this administration or his sadistic federal employees --

"Shockingly difficult" to locate separated children https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210774941

@ksieff
It is shockingly difficult for immigration attorneys to locate children separated from their parents at the border. Today I spoke to lawyers who represent more than 400 parents. They've located two children.

Some of the bureaucratic failures are remarkable: Border Patrol agents who forgot to note that a child crossed the border with a parent. Mothers who were never given the toll-free phone number where they can ask about their kids.

US officials often don't answer that toll-free number. When attorneys get through, officials respond that their client's child is "in the United States."

In other cases, children are transferred from one shelter to another, and the new facilities don't make note that the child was separated from a parent. Meaning they could be mistakenly considered an unaccompanied minor.

Much of the government's information about the child's parent -- necessary for reunification -- comes directly from the child. What kind of information can a toddler provide? And what if that toddler speaks an obscure indigenous language?

So what do attorneys tell their clients? One lawyer at @TRLA says this: “We have to say we don’t know where your child is. The government is responsible for keeping your child safe. No parent would be satisfied with that.”

Here's the story we just published. It's clear to me that there is no plan to reunify these families.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-chaotic-effort-to-reunite-immigrant-parents-with-their-separated-kids/2018/06/21/325cceb2-7563-11e8-bda1-18e53a448a14_story.html

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:24 PM

2. Maternity and paternity tests are easy now

Back then... not so easy

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:33 PM

4. People fleeing horrific situations, captured, sent back to their central American country may have

difficulty getting these tests done. Who will pay to get all the babies and infants and toddlers tested?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:30 PM

8. Trump can pay for it.

He started this, he deserves to pay

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:04 PM

6. You have to locate parents to test them

Some are already deported...you think they honestly have a real chance of ever being reunited?

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:37 PM

9. I think we have some really pissed off parents trying to help

Parents that aren't subject to being removed and I hope that some of these will take on the task and organize groups to return the children.
I know there is a chance some people lose their kids, but I have hope we can get them all returned

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

7. Not when the parent has already been deported. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:39 PM

10. I think we can still reunite

I do think other governments should get involved and force Trump to give back their citizens

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 10:46 PM

11. Some of these other governments are extremely dysfunctional.

Even more dysfunctional than ours. How will these people, without money or resources, who left their home countries because of fear of persecution, manage to get DNA tests?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:25 PM

14. You're right

I thought we could make our government correct this, but you are right.

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Response to sarah FAILIN (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 10:19 AM

13. Maybe the Organisation of American States (OAS)

http://www.oas.org/en/

This makes sense as the Central American countries, Mexico and the US are members.

It is very sad to write, but after this atrocity, the US might not be trusted enough in South and Central American for us to manage that process. Consider that some parents have already been deported - even though many fled because their lives were atr risk there. The first two steps on this logically is to create two detailed data bases. One with all the information we have on the children - including who their parents are from those old enough to provide that information. The other, all the information from the parents including as much information and documentation of their missing kids.

This is a mess of the United States' making. It is mindboggling that only now - weeks later - that they are "creating a task force" to figure out how to reunite the kids. To put this in context, imagine a new dry cleaner which would take your clothes, giving you no receipt and not tagging the clothes as they put them in their pile of clothes. It would never happen because people have the ability to refuse - unlike the families at the border. It shows intent to cause pain that a government process was created like this. One thing government has always done is to create paperwork. Here, they did less, than a popup event would do for a one time coat check!

If reuniting the kids was done in good faith - you would expect that of the 2000 plus kids, a fair portion would be able to provide identify information that would match the information provided by the parents. However, there likely will be many parents that will be in hiding somewhere. The DNA process might be needed to correctly match the kids with their parents.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:26 PM

15. I wouldn't trust us

I think they will keep the little ones.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:26 PM

3. And they will be adopted by and indoctrinated by right-wing religious bigots

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 09:36 PM

5. That is completely

unacceptable. Absolutely. What do we need to do to fix this?

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 11:01 PM

12. He should be impeached for this. Alone.

He separated those families without giving their reunification the first thought. That deserves immediate impeachment and conviction and removal from office. We don't even need to finish the Mueller probe after this.

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Response to ooky (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:29 PM

16. Totally agree!

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sat Jun 23, 2018, 01:32 PM

17. There's DNA testing so even if it takes long journeys to obtain samples from parents, it will

probably be possible to reunite most of them. Unfortunately, our government is so incompetent at the moment it will take private agencies to accomplish it. It's hard to imagine anyone could create such a self-inflicted nightmare, but Don always does stuff better than anyone else.

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