660,000 undocumented Europeans are here

[SHRED]

Link to tweet

[JI7]

1. and one of them is the fucking so called first lady who doesn't give a shit

about kids being terrorized by her ugly thug husband.

[grantcart]

2. This is mixing several different things altogether

First of all the children that are being ripped from their parents ARE NOT undocumented immigrants, they are documented asylum seekers who are presenting themselves to process asylum petitions.

Refugees and asylum seekers in Europe would not approach the border, they would apply for admission into one of two UNHCR asylum centers, one in Austria and one in Italy. Once accepted by the UNHCR they are considered in a first asylum status and would be eligible to apply to the US and other countries for second asylum resettlement. Picking the country that would be preferred for the refugee is based, ironically, on family reunification.

There are approximately 12 million illegal immigrants in the US with about 5% coming from Europe. None of the illegal immigrants are having their children stripped from them, if they violate a serious crime they will be repatriated to their country of origin. If their children are US citizens they can stay here or join their parent who is being repatriated.

A much clearer and more accurate rationale that proves the general point that Eichenwald is trying to make, i.e. that Trumps moves on migration is fuelled by racist motives is that Trump is taking a systematic approach in destroying non white migrants by

1) Trying to victimize DACA recipients who are currently here legally

2) Eliminating the TPO (Temporary Protection Order) for 60,000 Haitians and 280,000 El Salvadorans who are currently here legally but whose status has been revoked and face deportation next year.

3) Making changes in legal immigration laws that will reduce legal immigration from non white areas in the future, like eliminating chain migration petition status, which Melania used to bring her parents here.

It is definitely racist but Eichenwald's illustration is off point and doesn't support the point he is trying to make.

[Pachamama]

16. +1000

Thank you for clarifying and giving the accurate description behind the policies and that there is a difference between undocumented immigrants and asylum seekers.

The policies of Trump are definitely racist.

And they are by design as you clearly explain.

[Lochloosa]

17. I love this place. Thanks

[Igel]

18. Many of the asylum seekers are also undocumented.

They cross the border. They're picked up. All are told they can be deported back. Some apply for asylum.

The point's often been made that Latino migrants illegally crossing the border have a special status, and there's a reason that illegal immigration is so wildly ethnically skewed so that enforcement actions are so wildly ethnically skewed.

It's hard for a mass of, say, Tatar would-be migrants to stage a convoy to the US border. There's an ocean in the way. Same for nearly every other group of would-be migrants. First they'd have to get to some country like Mexico if they wanted to make the trip, and since it's likely anybody who could gain access to Mexico could gain access to the US, they'd just enter legally and then overstay their visa.

Many DACA recipients are European. It's not a Latino-only program.

[grantcart]

22. That is not correct

The asylum seekers are proceeding to the ports to surrender themselves to Customs Officers.

Where they are blocking the access to the ports they go next to the port, cross the border where they surrender themselves to Border Patrol Agents and ask for asylum.

Undocumented migrants cross the border away from the Border and try to avoid detection.

[malaise]

21. Great post n/t

[Liberty Belle]

3. I'd like to see documentation on that figure, if anyone has a reliable source.

[ProudLib72]

4. This bothers me the most

Link to tweet

We've known this for awhile, but it's only now that the truly hideous nature of it shows. I want all these Russian kids that are born here at tRump hotels deported when we regain control. I do not care about "the law says". This was a deliberate sidestepping of the law and needs to be rectified.

[smirkymonkey]

6. That just enrages me!

Of course, as long as they are white, it's fine with the Trump administration. Deport them all!

[ProudLib72]

7. Look at them all showing off their big bellies!

It's like they are saying, "Vee koom to OO ESS AAAY to make baby Amereekan." (That's sort of a Melania accent).

You just wait until we try to deport the white kids! OMG, the RW will be in such an uproar. There will be shooting, truck driving, and red hat wearing for months.

[syringis]

9. Hi dear, how are you ?

Hey ! I'm white, I'm European, would you deport me?

Well, when I will visit you I will do it legally, but how know? I might enjoy my trip to the point I'll "forget" to leave America.

On the bright side, I'm not pregnant and not willing to be...

[smirkymonkey]

10. You syringis? Of course not!

You aren't Russian. Only those who are determined to undermine our nation. I have no problem with Europeans immigrating to the US, but I do have a problem with a government that will ONLY allow Europeans and nobody else. Especially if they are brown or black.

I would love to have you come here! But I think you would rather be in Belgium, am I right?

Hope you are well!

[syringis]

14. I know, I was kidding

I totally agree with your point.

Plus, Russians who can afford to travel to US to give birth are those who didn't get very legally their money...well, maybe not all are dishonest, but...

Russian citizens are struggling to make ends meet. They certainly can't afford a trip and hospital expenses.

I love my country, not all is perfect, but we have a good quality of living standards.

I traveled a lot in my life, but I won't die before visiting America.

The irony is that I could have come several times. Being stupid and stubborn, I never wanted to make short trips. There is so much to visit, I would like to plan a 6 months trip.

[ProudLib72]

24. Hi Syringis!

You are right about needing to spend a lot of time on a trip. There are so many places to see! A lot of tourists only visit New York City, Washington DC, and Los Angeles. Those seem to be the "big" attractions. You can come over and spend a month visiting Colorado!

[syringis]

33. Hi ProudLib

It is the main reason why I still didn't visit the US. Big cities are certainly interesting, but I'm more attracted by the Heartland.

We planned a 6 months trip in 2001. It took me over a year to plan it than came 11 September...our plane was booked on 14 September. This week, all planes were canceled. Since, I hadn't had another opportunity for such long trip. Now kids have grown, I'm half retired, I hope I can plan a trip around 2020.

[beveeheart]

27. You would certainly be welcomed here in Colorado!

And plan to spend at least 2 weeks here - so much to do and see.

[syringis]

34. Hi Beeveheart

Thank you very much dear

I will certainly not miss visiting Colorado.

[roamer65]

8. I'd deport any Russian who has even suspected ties to GRU or FSB.

BOOM. Outta here.

Also their kids born here would not have aUtomatic US citizenship.

[No Vested Interest]

11. Many Chinese nationals come to the US to give birth as well.

It has been covered on TV.
They come mainly to California well into pregnancy and stay in group settings until after the birth of their children, who are US citizens by virtue of having been born here.

[OnDoutside]

12. Be careful with the law of unintended consequences. There was a similar response to

yours, about 15 years ago in Ireland when there was a spike in pregnant women arriving just before birth, having the baby, and then claiming Irish citizenship on the back of the birth, as well as male asylum seekers/economic migrants getting the local girls pregnant, in order to short circuit the system to get an Irish passport. People were outraged enough that the system was being gamed, they voted through a constitutional amendment to make citizenship tougher to achieve, but it made it much harder on the requirements for eligibility for the 2nd or 3rd generation Irish in America and elsewhere to get citizenship. Iirc my brother married a Filipina immigrant and American citizen, and while they are married for a decade now, it made it so much harder at the time for her to get an Irish passport as well.

From www.refcom.ie

A referendum on a proposal to change the rules about the constitutional entitlement to citizenship by birth was held on 11 June 2004.

The change meant that:

People born in the island of Ireland after the constitutional amendment took effect would not have a constitutional right to be Irish citizens, unless, at the time of their birth, one of their parents was an Irish citizen or was entitled to be an Irish citizen.
The Oireachtas would be in a position to pass legislation which governs how other people born in Ireland may become Irish citizens.

The proposal was approved by the people.

[treestar]

38. Yes. It's not that so many people are doing it that it's worth it

I could easily see an American giving birth in the European Union anywhere it would give the kid a second citizenship. In the 21st century, that increases economic opportunity.

[OnDoutside]

41. Completely agree. My nephew has American and Irish passports, and could get a Filipino one as well.

That will give him a massive advantage in years time. A school friend of mine lives in Germany with his South American Canadian wife and 2 kids. Those kids will be in a fantastic position. They will have fluency in English, German and Spanish while potentially having access to German/Canadian/Irish/iirc Bolivia passports !

[Igel]

19. The "anchor baby" business was discussed quite a bit

at DU pehaps a decade ago, perhaps more.

At the time it was Chinese birth tourism. Chinese women coming over to give birth so their kids would have access to a second citizenship.

Once we got past the claims that nobody would ever do such a thing, the claim was then considered wildly regressive and racist.

[dalton99a]

23. +1

[Civic Justice]

30. We can fix that...

We only need a clasue that anyone on a Temporary Visa who comes to America and have a baby, that the baby will be given the status of the mother, as being from what ever country the mother is from.

ONLY women who are within the legal immigration system being process for permanent citizenship and has reach a level and point of professing that it is 98.9% eminently they will be being given a green card can declare their baby to be American. Anything short of that, the baby will be given the status of the Mothers home nation.

simple language!!!!

It's a real simple way to address that matter.

[Blue_true]

35. Change requires a change to the Constitution.

That may or may not be difficult. The right may want it to keep POC out, but would want to try somehow to allow Whites in. I say leave the Constitution as is and work on entry screening. When a obviously pregnant woman is entering, she should undergo extensive questioning about the nature and duration of her stay. Screening won't stop all, for example, a well off woman can come over as soon as her pregnancy is confirmed, stay for nine months, have the baby, stay until the child's citizenship is granted, stay a couple more months to cover her tracks, then go home with a US citizen.

[Civic Justice]

39. Then we clarify the Constitution with an Amendment that spells out the clarity.

[Blue_true]

42. Changes require something like 35 states to approve.

I don't see red states approving if they think that it will prevent White immigration and anchor babies.

[treestar]

37. How is it different from people crossing illegally from Mexico

and staying for years and having US citizen children here?

It's almost immigration at a generational remove - no way to get here legally yourself, but you can make it possible for your child to immigrate. As a US citizen.

Which is a flaw in our law, but it would be hard to start making distinctions about birthright citizenship.

[flibbitygiblets]

13. yeah, but you know...those aren't considered "shithole countries"

It's okay if you are white. Just ask Melanie.

[KCDebbie]

15. The OPERATIVE word in this issue is EUROPEAN...

[Igel]

20. The Roma are European. n/t

[ret5hd]

26. OK. Is there a push to round up the undocumented Roma going on that I haven't heard about?

[Lars39]

28. In Italy.

[ret5hd]

29. Oooohhhh...I didn't know the OP was referring to Italy.

[lunasun]

31. They are asking for a purge street to street

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[ret5hd]

32. I see...well then, everything's OK here then. The OP's subject doesn't matter...

'cause of something else that is bad that has no bearing on the OP.

[spanone]

25. K&R...

[Hekate]

36. As much as the term grates me, that is definitely a wypipo issue

WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN? NOT IN MY NAME, YOU EVIL BASTARDS!

[Civic Justice]

40. No white person is going to fix this situation, because they think in terms of white people.

It's going to take a another non white ethnic leader in this country to present the actual fix, be it by amendment or other means. (I say that, because there are many many many white people still not ready to face giving up white privileges).

If people note, and if this site presents any % of reference, we can surmise that if anything comes up about the indepth elements of race.. its met with a great deal of silence, and is buried quickly, So... I can't say a white democrat will fix it, and we know a white republican is not going to fix it. this site has a lot of white people who can't deal with assertive black people very well and often find a ways to deflect away from various subjects about race.
So... when it comes to Immigration, we may well need to come to rational consideration that a white person is not the most likely canididate to fix the immigration of a racially equal basis.

We have to look back and learn.. when many of Obama's proposals hit the table, where it would drive equality forward, a great many people stepped back, which is why and how we ended up with Republican Controlling Congress, and people either sided with the Tea party, or they enabled the Tea Party, by choosing a non compete stance, and that meant a non vote stance, that left the Congress open to Republicans..
If people remember and do it honestly, there were too many democrats that tried to put distance between them and Obama, which meant that the Tea Party have a paved access to say and do what they wanted.

We better look back and be honest, because when people buy into what the Right Wing and Republican say and do, and then DOUBT their own leader, and become callous and don't step up and vote, and don't push their democratic congressmen to rally support together... then we become the victims of the same fear that people had when the white racist dominated and intimidated the liberal white people into silence during the 100 yrs of segregation.

See today's internet makes that point possible to put out there, and address it... and until we get real and ready to face the REAL TRUTHS, and not just the pleasantries... we will have issues. If we expect to become and be unshakable, there is hard truths people are going to have to face, to back up their claim of support for equality, and equilibrium, socially and economically as well as politically. Some soft issues people may stand close, but when the rubber hits the road, we know what we saw during the Obama Administration, we saw too many politicians take a position and stance of silence. people even backed up thinking he should "pull a magic rabbit out of his ass" and fix everything INSTANTLY, even while he had a rabid republican congress attacking him from every angle, and few of our members stepping up to provide hims backing, cover, support and defense. They remained silent... Some did not even want Obama to come and campaign for them, because they had bought into the "madness pushed by Republican" and became gun shy to support the president, and let the president support them.

Now, until we choose to face the unpleasant truth.. we are not whole. and if we are not whole, it means we have a distributed system, that we must figure out that it needs to be whole. That can't and won't happen, till we face the ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM.

Republican know the Elephant is in the Room, and they get on its back and ride it, and drive it to become a smashing machine for anything they want to smash. Heck, our people can even deal with being urged to write content about what we want, and how we want it, and what we want to do to get what we want. they'd rather attack the person trying to get them incited enough to write.... and use "all manners of activism".. We need to face our demons and get over our blind eyeing of things, nothing can fit under the rug anymore.... and Republicans are not going to just back way politely. The timid mentality of being offended by every other post and any post that tries to incite people to face what they don't want to face, , is a weakness that must be dispensed with, and instead of being offended, be incited to think deeper and in a more broad and inclusive tonality and mentality of what everyone knows is the Herd of Elephants in the Room.. We can't fight the republicans when we can't overcome our own demons... and republican know it... that's how and why they keep kicking our butts and doing exactly what they want to do... and they don't give a hoot about jokes and puns being slung at them.

Those are (SOME) HARD REALITY POINTERS AND FACTORS, THAT WE HAVE TO FACE OR SUFFER THE RESULTS OF NOT FACING THEM.