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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 11:47 AM Jun 2018

Charles P. Pierce: The Civility Debate Has Reached Peak Stupidity

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21931194/sarah-huckabee-sanders-red-hen-civility/

The Civility Debate Has Reached Peak Stupidity
We got here around the time Newt Gingrich called for more civil discourse.
By Charles P. Pierce
Jun 25, 2018

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By all accounts, the most civil action taken in L’affaire Poule Rouge was the way Stephanie Wilkinson handled her refusal to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Virginia. She first consulted with her staff, several members of which were gay and were angry at the administration*’s policies in that regard, and everyone was outraged by what was going on at the border. Wilkinson then took a vote on whether or not to serve Sanders. When the staff voted not to do so, she politely informed Sanders and her party that they would not be eating at the Red Hen that night. She even comped them the cheese plates they’d already ordered.

She did not use an official government Twitter account to discuss the episode, as Sanders did later. She did not use the power of the Oval Office to try and destroy someone’s business, as the president* found time to do later. She asked the staff what they wanted to do. She took a vote. She abided by their wishes. If there’s a more civil way of saying “no” to someone, I don’t know what it would be.

It would have remained a shiny object unworthy of pursuit had it not roiled up a good portion of official Washington, which seemed grateful to be discussing anything except hijacked migrant children. Suddenly, just as the issue of the hijacked children was beginning to bite the administration* severely in the ass, here was an event over which the elite political media could do one of its favorite traditional fan dances: the Question of Civility.

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This debate is stupid. It’s also dangerously beside the point. SarahHuck is the lying mouthpiece of a lying regime that is one step away from simply hauling people off in trucks. That she was politely told to take her business elsewhere is a small step towards assigning public responsibility to public officials that enable a perilous brand of politics. There are bigger steps to be taken, but everyone in official Washington is too damn timid to do what really needs to be done about this band of pirates.

So, Sarah, since I know it is hard for you to understand even short sentences, I’ll put it as briefly as I can: Take a hike.
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Charles P. Pierce: The Civility Debate Has Reached Peak Stupidity (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2018 OP
Love, love, love Charlie Pierce! n/t Coventina Jun 2018 #1
K&R SamKnause Jun 2018 #2
K&R, love the last line... PunkinPi Jun 2018 #3
Does anyone know if gibraltar72 Jun 2018 #4
I don't know about that, but I recall a story that he was thrown out of a Coventina Jun 2018 #6
Stephen Miller, look a like of THE original one got shamed irisblue Jun 2018 #20
Funny you should ask... JHB Jun 2018 #40
always remember that we pay huckabit$h salary with our taxes AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #5
K and r! Tipperary Jun 2018 #7
Wilkinson prevented the awkward scenario of serving saliva-laden food. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #8
"What's amazing to me is that Sarah Sanders... alterfurz Jun 2018 #10
Heee! lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #12
My fellow LGBTQ wouldn't do that lambchopp59 Jun 2018 #39
Oh, snap! lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #42
Yes yes and yes tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #9
K&R, Red Don's sycophants are arguing whether or not taking peoples kids for misdemeanor is moral uponit7771 Jun 2018 #11
No they are not. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #15
And that walking back the abductions shows compassion bigbrother05 Jun 2018 #48
Such compassion! Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #50
Kick and Rec! backtoblue Jun 2018 #13
K&R ck4829 Jun 2018 #14
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2018 #16
Thank you Charles Pierce! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #17
Spot on! mcar Jun 2018 #18
Nice one Charles P. Pierce usaf-vet Jun 2018 #19
thooleramawn. there's a word you don't see see every day mainer Jun 2018 #21
And the definitions had me falling on the floor laughing! Tipperary Jun 2018 #25
minngal marieo1 Jun 2018 #22
K and r. cwydro Jun 2018 #23
❤ THIS!! Duppers Jun 2018 #24
K & R. n/t FSogol Jun 2018 #26
Disagreement is treason... Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #27
Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #28
Pierce used sarah 3 names own words against her...LMFA - asiliveandbreathe Jun 2018 #29
Color me skeptical. Nuclear Pyle Jun 2018 #30
... LiberalLovinLug Jun 2018 #31
Well Done, Charlie Pierce! sarahhuckster is a pathological LIAR.. Cha Jun 2018 #32
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie! Fritz Walter Jun 2018 #33
K&R suffragette Jun 2018 #34
Say It Charlie! colsohlibgal Jun 2018 #35
You got THAT right!!!!! MyOwnPeace Jun 2018 #38
I would edit Charles' words just a bit... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #46
Hauling people away in trucks instead of trains duhneece Jun 2018 #49
what is "uncivil" quaker bill Jun 2018 #36
Drumpf calls refugees insects, locks kids in cages, drugs them, shackles them and we're supposed to Hassler Jun 2018 #37
Here's your fooking restaurant Phuckabee lambchopp59 Jun 2018 #41
Huge K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #43
Take a hike, Sarah! Take a hike! No nachos tonight! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #44
K&R! KPN Jun 2018 #45
K&R. Take a hike to the top page. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #47

Coventina

(27,101 posts)
6. I don't know about that, but I recall a story that he was thrown out of a
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:04 PM
Jun 2018

Jewish-owned art gallery in Paris (before the war).

In retaliation, when Paris fell, that art gallery was one of the first ones looted.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. Wilkinson prevented the awkward scenario of serving saliva-laden food.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:06 PM
Jun 2018

Something Trump staffers will have to be vigilant for, from now until the end of time. Those who survive the coming civil war.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
10. "What's amazing to me is that Sarah Sanders...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jun 2018

...is still going to restaurants thinking she's getting clean food." -- @girlsreallyrule

tulipsandroses

(5,123 posts)
9. Yes yes and yes
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jun 2018

"Civility is a 2 way street - You cannot expect someone to treat you with civility when you refuse to acknowledge their humanity "- AS said by Ali Velshi - So yes take a hike Trump and the rest of this POS administration

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,997 posts)
15. No they are not.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

His sycophants followed his lead and declared that the 2018 Trump Child Abductions are moral.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
48. And that walking back the abductions shows compassion
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jun 2018

Given the media frenzy directed at Janet Reno for enforcing a real law and respecting the rights of all sides of the families involved, Sessions is lucky to not be riding a rail right now.

Of course, it's the Dems that are going low by calling out the venality of this maladministration.

And yes, the government is abducting the refugee children.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
19. Nice one Charles P. Pierce
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jun 2018

"hard for you to understand even short sentences"

Cramming the SarahHuck's own words back down her own uncivil mouth.

She said she "is alway polite". NOT SO!

mainer

(12,022 posts)
21. thooleramawn. there's a word you don't see see every day
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jun 2018

wow, the passion in this piece practically shouts off the page. What a great piece.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
22. minngal
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jun 2018

Thank You, Charlie Pierce............for bring civility to this issue. We already know DJT doesn't even know the meaning of this word.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
27. Disagreement is treason...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jun 2018

to do anything but remain silent is to subject them to heinous persecution...and contest God's will.

You can't use civility and reason on magical thinkers.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
29. Pierce used sarah 3 names own words against her...LMFA -
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jun 2018

So, Sarah, since "I know it is hard for you to understand even short sentences, I’ll put it as briefly as I can" - sarah 3 names said that to a WH reporter just last week...

Cha

(297,154 posts)
32. Well Done, Charlie Pierce! sarahhuckster is a pathological LIAR..
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jun 2018

but as Steve Schmidt said.. she wasn't "..asked to leave a restaurant until they started putting 3 year olds in cages."

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
33. Charlie, Charlie, Charlie!
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

I know Esquire is a top-notch publication, and rightly so.

But I also know that your roots are in the northeast, and your higher education was in the midwest.

It’s “Take a fucking hike!”

Or — to get past the censors — “Take a fookin’ hike!”

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
35. Say It Charlie!
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:55 PM
Jun 2018

That the phrase “one step away from hauling people away in trucks” does not seem a stretch...it is terrifying and unique in my lifetime.

Drumpf is who he is but the republicans who accept this are just as culpable.

I hope we get back to some kind of normal ASAP.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
38. You got THAT right!!!!!
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jun 2018

"but the republicans who accept this are just as culpable."

YES!!!!

THAT is where we must take our battle. McTurtle & Eddie Munster/Ryan are the 2 people that could stop this mess right now - if they wanted to. But they don't want to - they're getting their free ticket to provide for the dreams of the 1% - and their supporters.

WE can stop that - we must GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!!

NOVEMBER is it - we MUST do it!!!!!

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
46. I would edit Charles' words just a bit...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:26 AM
Jun 2018

and used "cattle trucks" for the optics.

I'm with you 100% on the normal part. I'm very tired of this insanity and divisiveness.....

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
49. Hauling people away in trucks instead of trains
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jun 2018

That’s the major difference between trump and the Nazis.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
36. what is "uncivil"
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jun 2018

is separating families at the border. Everything else going on pales by comparison. Shouting at them in public spaces is nearly an obligation, and simply an effort to attempt to restore civility.

Hassler

(3,376 posts)
37. Drumpf calls refugees insects, locks kids in cages, drugs them, shackles them and we're supposed to
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:57 PM
Jun 2018

Care about Sarah Hackalie Slanders feefees?

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