Roe is done. Some states will keep abortion legal. What then?

[Yavin4]

Are they going to prohibit women from traveling? Will women have to take a pregnancy exam before they board a plane or bus? And then take another one when they return?

[kimbutgar]

1. America will continue to fragmenting into red zones and blue Zones

I think we are on track now for this country breaking up as a union of 50 states.

[Freddie]

3. Agree

I think some kind of breakup of the country is inevitable. My cousin has already invited me to his condo when Calexit happens.

[uponit7771]

10. Not regional enough for that to happen, the southeast is SOMEWHAT politically red but has

... too many PoC for another break up like the civil war to happen.

Unless the southeast of the country kicks out all PoC and patriots another civil war is a long way off.

[geardaddy]

61. Agreed.

Plus you have a blue state like MN, which is only really blue in the metropolitan areas and parts of the the Iron Range. The rest is deep red. Minneapolis and St. Paul would be a blue island unto itself in the middle of a sea of red.

[OliverQ]

11. At this point, I support that.

Let the red states have their authoritarian dictatorship. Blue states need to form a new nation more like Canada, or just merge with Canada.

[roamer65]

23. NY and New England are geographically ready made for Canada.

Politically they are as well.

[dhol82]

27. I wouldn't mind being a Canadian.

[Takket]

40. Michigan too

Please come rescue me Trudeau!!!

[FakeNoose]

48. It's a good time to post the Canamerica visual

Please invade us Canada! I like Molson's and ice hockey.

[exboyfil]

51. Nevada and Virginia as well

Maybe Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado

[MarcA]

53. Definitely those five. Would even consider Florida.

Indiana and Ohio too for geopolitical reasons although don't know
if they would go along. But Alberta would probably join the other
group, can't win them all.

[HAB911]

2. The Handmaid's Tale

for real

[Still In Wisconsin]

4. I am expecting a Federal-level abortion ban fairly soon. Conservatives love states' rights until

they control the Federal government... then suddenly they forget all about them.

[AlexSFCA]

14. collins wont support federal abortion ban so november still matters

[Still In Wisconsin]

15. I've learned that if you're counting on Susan Collins to save the day on ANYTHING you're gonna be

disappointed. She will be "concerned and troubled" but at the end of the day she will go along with McTurtle and TRUMP.

[dhol82]

28. Nah, she folds regularly.

Worthless.

[Freethinker65]

52. Ha. She would trade her vote for McConnell's magic beans

[no_hypocrisy]

5. Underground Railroad for Red State women to Blue States via automobile.

[d_r]

36. a lot of poor women

deep in Mississippi and Louisiana, hell, Alabama and Georgia for that matter, will have a long way to go to get to the other side of Arkansas to maybe St. Louis, but probably more like Illinois.
One hope I have is that medicinal abortions are way beyond where they were in 1973, so maybe the back alley abortions will be more safe today. It is fucking horrible.

[AlexSFCA]

6. federal abortion ban is pretty much guaranteed

while same sex marriage will go back to the states

[Yavin4]

7. Roe covers an individual's right to abortion. A state can still keep it legal. No?

A federal ban would require a federal law.

[AlexSFCA]

8. you're right so it will be the same as with gay marriage

which not the worst thing in the world. Groups like planned parenthood may be able to offer transportation assistance for out of state abortion.

[jpljr77]

13. Actually, it would be the worst thing in the world.

If a woman lives in, let's say, Houston, where would she go when Texas outlaws abortion? Louisiana? Oklahoma? Arkansas? See the pattern here?

[Yavin4]

16. They would have to take a flight to CA or organize to make abortion legal in TX

We're becoming a tiered-rights nation.

[Ilsa]

17. Back in the olden days, the sorority sisters passed the hat around.

I have this on good authority from a public figure (actress) who used to advocate for women's reproductive rights. They passed the hat until they got enough money for a plane ticket to CA or NY or whatever it took. This was pre- Roe days. And they were the lucky ones, to have friends they could trust who could help.

Young women need to set aside money for "abortion insurance" to include the procedure and travel money and time off from work money. And maybe stock up on the morning after pill while they can get it, or locate a supply. It's going to be really hard, but I think we can minimize back alley abortions and loss of life. It shouldn't have to be this way, though. Maybe Planned Parenthood can find a way to help fund travel.

[Takket]

41. I was thinking about that...

I think a charity to support travel and lodging for abortions would be needed. I would support it as generously as I could.

[roamer65]

24. Yes. It would not make it through the Senate.

[jmowreader]

46. Which would raise a federal problem

The Constitution (which the hard right doesn't really like, regardless of what they claim) severely limits Congress' ability to make laws: before they can act, the issue has to cross state lines. This is why the federal government has no authority to make laws regarding noncommercial motor vehicle operation, but they can make laws regarding commercial motor vehicle operation.

Unless the federal government can prove significant amounts of interstate commerce in abortions beyond people traveling across state lines to purchase the service, abortion raises no significant federal question. The only way the federal government could ban abortion nationwide, even if Roe were overturned, is to pass a constitutional amendment.

[Yavin4]

47. The zealots in the anti- choice states would have to impose restrictions on women traveling for

abortions.

[jmowreader]

50. Then you run into a Privileges and Immunities Clause problem

There are a bunch of cases - Shapiro v Thompson is a big one - that say traveling from one state to another is a fundamental right.

I have a strange suspicion that a law requiring a negative pregnancy test before someone was allowed to travel would be shot down on Fourth Amendment grounds.

(Fighting sovereign citizen bullshit is both fun and educational...)

Without a constitutional amendment banning abortion, they'll be facing a crazy quilt of state laws. And if our side has a lick of sense, we'll set up sort of an underground railroad to ferry people from "ban" states to "freedom" ones for the procedure.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. I say that if we find out that this election was illegitimate and the Republican party was

complicit in a coup, that every case that Gorsuch sat on where he placed the deciding vote should be overturned.

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[MarcA]

55. Should be done, and despite what some on here post, Could be done. n/t

[Demovictory9]

18. what then? Trump women voters will wake up. some of them.

[Tipperary]

19. I am so sorry. Did that decision get overturned while I was outside gardening?

Did this just happen?

[Yavin4]

20. It's inevitable with Kennedy resigning

Just a matter of time.

[Tipperary]

21. I tend not to mourn things before they happen.

I am not a fan of defeatism.

[MarcA]

57. Its not defeatism, its reality. Mourning after something happens when

you could have done something is a waste.

[peggysue2]

22. If the reproductive rights of women go down, then

the issue will have to be fought all over again. And it will be.

But since none of us have a crystal ball nor can we reach into the future, we do what we can in the moment. Keep our eyes on how we bring a halt, a containment to the recklessness of an incompetent, crass, compromised and thoroughly immoral Administration.

Which always brings us back to the same thing: making the Blue Wave a reality and sweeping these creatures out of office.

That's where we start. That's what we can control.

[oberliner]

25. Collins and Murkowski can stop this

They claim to be pro-choice.

[dhol82]

30. Wake me when the actually do something.

[oberliner]

32. Were you awake last July?

Meet the Women Senators Who Helped Stop the Health Care Bill

http://time.com/4877922/health-care-vote-senate-skinny-repeal-murkowski-collins/

[dhol82]

34. I repeat, wake me when they vote on Roe.

[MarcA]

58. Let's put pressure on them to make sure they do. n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

62. .

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[0rganism]

29. i'd expect travel restrictions enforced by some under-funded yet fanatical state border patrol

of course, the wealthy will easily bypass such restrictions
others will be forced to exist under the laws of the New Republic of Gilead

[MarcA]

59. Not all that far-fetched. With all the 911 restrictions nonsense

and increased checkpoints for all sorts of things. Look at all the
seizures (theft) from the War on Drugs and a War on Illegal Abortion
fits right in.

[irisblue]

31. I remember pre Roe v Wade & self induced/back alley abortions

I know an older neighbor girl went from metro Detroit to NYC, abortion was legal there in 1970.
It will still happen

[dhol82]

35. I have lived in NYC since 1966

I had lots of roommates in the early years.
Too many sad stories.
And, one where, if you knew the right people, you could get an abortion at a premier hospital by a well known surgeon.
It was interesting to see both ends of the problem.

One other story was about birth control. I was going to an Italian gynecologist who had privileges at St. Vincent’s Hospital - very catholic, nuns, etc. Went to him for a refill on my BC pills. He informed me that since I was not married he could not ethically give me a prescription. Hospital told him so. Guess they figured I would stop the evil sex if I was afraid of getting pregnant.
I found another doctor.

[Meowmee]

33. If we merge with Canada

I won't have to move prolly, but I doubt that will happen because in my part of NY there are too many recons. Women who can afford to will go to states that keep it legal, like they did before. Many will have illegal abortions again or do it themselves. One of my friends from Taiwan told me her grandmother gave herself 2 abortions. People who think abortion will ever stop are delusional.

[Qutzupalotl]

37. I honestly don't think they'll work to overturn Roe.

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Think about it. They could have written legislation to restrict abortions when they had the Senate, House and White House in 2001 — and they never even brought it up.

They talk as though it’s important to them (“culture of life”) but they really don’t give a shit. They need a wedge issue to use in elections. Tarring us as pro-abortion is convenient and doesn’t cost them anything. What they are really after is tax cuts and deregulation for businesses.

If they overturn Roe, what will they run on? What will they tar us with? That’s why I think they may chip away at abortion rights around the edges but won’t fully overturn.

Mind you, I’m not advocating complacency. We still need to fight like hell as citizens, even if Congress has little power to stop them.

[Yavin4]

38. Easy. "My opponent is from a baby-killing state. Vote for me."

Abortion moves from a legal fight to a political/cultural one.

[Qutzupalotl]

39. That may work for presidential contests but nowhere else.

In all other races, opponents would be from the same state.

[pstokely]

43. isn't that what they are doing already?

chipping away, not overturning

[Qutzupalotl]

45. Yes

but you’ll note how it keeps the issue alive for future elections...

[treestar]

56. Bingo

They would not have their wedge issue. And a lot of those voters would go back to the Democrats, as they are one issue voters who often are in favor of economic and environmental regulation.

[mr_liberal]

60. Youre confusing two things

What the Republican party does and what conservative supreme court justices do. Conservative justices will vote what they think is right constitutionally, they won't worry about the politics.

It's also not a case of what the national Republican party will do, but what will happen at the state level in red states. There already are laws in states that ban abortion that are just waiting for a supreme court to allow them to stand.

What will happen has already been stated in the thread. Roe v Wade will be overturned or chipped away at and states will ban abortion or pass further restrictions. The national federal Republican party may vote for some restrictions at the federal level but I doubt it, they'll leave it up to the states.

[Vinca]

42. What then? Women with money travel to get the procedure, poor women have babies they don't want.

Maybe we'll be able to set up an underground delivery of abortion drugs, but that won't help someone further along in the pregnancy. I also wouldn't be surprised if an ultra-conservative court gets contraception up for grabs again either. We've taken so much for granted for so long. Elections have consequences and this one could be pretty severe.

[UTUSN]

44. All of the above. & exceptions for SHITLER's girlfriends.

[GulfCoast66]

49. If they overturn Roe

They will have bought a pig in a poke and they know it.

Cause trying will be jumping the shark. And they know it.

But we will see if they can reign in their theocracy wing.

It was great for drumming up the radical core, but that is not enough for them. They will find that some things do override their voodoo economic arguments.

[LonePirate]

54. We need to use the 13th Amendment to overturn state mandated pregnancies once states ban abortion

States forcing women to carry pregnancies to term is a clear case of involuntary servitude which was explicitly prohibited by the 13th Amendment.