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[elleng]

1. Oh FFS!

That means 'artificially delay?' Like what mcconnell did???

[Salviati]

2. Indeed, the lesson Democrats should take from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is:

You still need to fight the fights you may not think you can win, because sometimes you do.

If Democrats want to kill any enthusiasm for the election in November, they'll roll over and not put up a fight because they probably can't win it. I don't expect them to win, but I do want them to FIGHT for god's sake!

[Demsrule86]

10. You won't win and the GOP will use it to stop the blue wave.

Vote that is all that can be done at this point.

[Demsrule86]

11. She had votes and honestly...I don't even care about her being nominated anymore than if Crowley was

nominated. We exchange one Democrat for another...that's it...it doesn't help us get back in power. And that is all that matters now. so you may not want to hear this but Blumenthal is right...we can't win and could endanger the blue wave.

[lagomorph777]

23. Fight even if you know you'll lose a battle.

Show voters you give a shit about us.

[brooklynite]

24. Also, it helps to pay attention to your own Primary and not assume you have an easy win...

[msongs]

3. welcome to the dems good german club. nt

[dembotoz]

6. with more chapters than you think

[CincyDem]

4. "pick your battles" has become a self defeating strategy...in war, every battle counts. every one.

[Jose Garcia]

5. Since the filibuster is gone for nominations

Senate Democrats are powerless to delay a vote.

The only way to stop a nominee is for a majority of Senators to vote against the nomination.

[bigtree]

7. first they need the will to delay or stop the nomination

...I believe this senator is seriously misreading the will of Democratic voters.

[Demsrule86]

9. We don't need will. We need votes which we don't have.

[bigtree]

16. politics isn't a static enterprise

...HISTORY has shown just how craven and cowardly republicans are.

You go ahead and sit satisfied that nothing can be done. I'm going to keep pressing for change.

[Demsrule86]

18. Fine but don't blame Democrats...you asking what is most likely impossible.

[bigtree]

19. whatever you're telling me to do

...has zero to do with what I want, believe, or intend.

Go bother someone else.

[emulatorloo]

27. Blumenthal is now calling for a delay on SCOTUS vote until after the election

See my post below for link

[BumRushDaShow]

14. They could attempt a "hold"

https://politicaldictionary.com/words/senate-hold/
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43563.pdf

Although nowadays, Turtle can pretty much ignore a hold.

Durbin has come out insisting on a delay -

Link to tweet

TEXT

CNN
✔
@CNN

Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin has called on the Senate to wait to consider Trump's nominee to replace Justice Kennedy until the new Congress is seated in January. He cited precedent set by GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell's refusal to hold a vote on Merrick Garland. https://cnn.it/2tyKfpv
3:21 PM - Jun 27, 2018

[BumRushDaShow]

25. "Holding off" was a bullshit made-up obstructive move on his part. nt

[marble falls]

29. Seriously. You believe Democrats are as bad as Republicans??????????

[appal_jack]

28. Senators can refuse to answer their roll-call.

How Democrats can shut down the Senate
If Democrats refuse to participate in roll call votes, the Senate will come to a halt for lack of a quorum.

https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/6/20/17480304/how-democrats-can-shut-down-senate

I'd say it's past time to play a real game of hardball here.

-app

[Demsrule86]

8. On a day that Gay rights is endangered as is Roe V Wade, I think that is the same argument that

got us here in the first place...stop blaming Democrats. Sen. Blumenthal has been a great Senator. There is nothing he or any Democrat Senator can do because we don't have a majority. There is no reason to sacrifice 18 by making a futile attempt to stop the SCOTUS appointment. We won't be able to do it . The election is the most important thing . Haven't we had enough blame on Democrats for what Republicans do? Wasn't 16 enough?

[struggle4progress]

12. We should be concentrating on Trumpism, rather than attacking Dems

[Demsrule86]

13. +1000

[bigtree]

15. just fine with you that he's seeking a centrist?

...it's not with me.

The best way to influence these timid 'centrist' Democrats is to primary them. I want Blumenthal to know how important to it is to me that Democrats fight hard to delay this nomination, by hook or crook, and advocate for progressive jurors, not faint echoes of the conservative majority.

I assume you think it's just fine to 'attack' me here for this.

[struggle4progress]

17. "Centrist" has no fixed meaning: the political task in liberal democracy

is to craft a political center and hold it

[bigtree]

20. you must know that the political 'center' is a rhetorical invention

...pols identifying themselves as centrists are merely trying to appeal to conservatives.

Conservatives today are anti-democratic, racist, bigoted, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, warmongering, thieving, liars.

Leaning anywhere near their direction is an abomination.

[struggle4progress]

21. We want winning coalitions. Such coalitions define "the center" -- it is not fixed

When we dislike the current "center," our task is to reinvent it with new coalitions

Merely splintering our side is a losing move in this time of crisis

[bigtree]

31. you're calling a comment on a political discussion board, 'splintering?'

...I have a legitimate complaint, whether you agree with it or not.

Primaries are legitimate vehicles for progressive change. After all, we'd be replacing a Democrat with another Democrat. The charge of 'splintering our party' for suggesting primarying this senator is pure bullshit.

[femmedem]

30. Blumenthal is neither timid nor a centrist.

He is one of my Senators and he has been a fierce and unequivocal voice against Trump and for progressive action. He was also one of the few Democrats who didn't call for Franken's resignation.

[bigtree]

33. I'm responding to HIS words

...I didn't make them up.

[emulatorloo]

26. Blumenthal has backtracked. Now calls for delay on SCOTUS until after the 2018 election

Maybe a good idea to update your thread?

That Was Fast: Blumenthal Now Calls For SCOTUS Vote After Election
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/that-was-fast-blumenthal-now-calls-for-scotus-vote-after-election

After initially saying the Senate “should do nothing to artificially delay” the consideration of the next Supreme Court justice in the wake of Justice Anthony Kennedy’s retirement, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) now says a confirmation vote for President Trump’s next Supreme Court pick should take place after the 2018 midterm elections.

[bigtree]

32. ha!

...I'll just delete this.

Just woke up...