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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill California become a sanctuary, safe haven from the coming gutting of America?
GOp is the third party now, behind independents in CA.
33 million people, 10% of the country. Dark blue here.
Will it help to be living in CA?
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)We can't take everyone, though.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Right now we can out vote the right in about 2/3 of the state. But the Central Valley is very right wing. I would like to see progressives from other states to move to the Central Valley and turn it blue. But the valley isn't the most pleasant place to live.
Bakersfield and Fresno get very hot in the summer and are not very pretty places.
marlakay
(11,451 posts)Couldnt wait to get out, it was culture shock for me after living in Sonoma County.
The medical situation was awful because not their fault air pollution from big cities blows into valley and stays there, i had the most sinus infections ever living there and no doctors want to be there so finding a doctor is hard.
It was mega hot in summer, very far right and lousy restaurants only chains nothing heathy.
I only lived there because my hubby who i had long distance relationship with had before marriage a house there but he commuted to city, i had to work and live there. Took me two years to get him to sell house, we moved back to bay area until we retired and moved up north.
I live in a conservative town now Medford in Oregon but stores and restaurants and Ashland only 15 min away makes it ok.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)or to take back this country...because I know which one I'm looking for.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)has taken place. Washington,Oregon,and California and Hopefully we see Nevada joining the new Blue America. And yes,we have the room.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)still_one
(92,138 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Glad for that.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)This was by design.
When I left Upstate NY to Georgia in 2006 -- it was by design to live in Atlanta.
We are getting Virginia bluer and bluer as elections go. I don't know how long I will live here, (we are looking to buy a house that we can afford) but I know that our next move will be in a blue area and I will work from there to create change.
I won't be moving to California for sanctuary. California is great, don't get me wrong, but we need to get change done where we are --Even when it seems hopeless.
Virginia was long considered hopeless. It no longer is.
shanti
(21,675 posts)Just slice off the west coast and Hawaii and call it a day.
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)California is a garden of Eden,
It's a paradise to live in or see.
But believe it or not,
You won't find it so hot,
If you ain't got the do-re-mi.
brush
(53,764 posts)The state deserves more reps in the House too.
haele
(12,647 posts)It's a complex problem taking in more population and finding areas for them to settle in that are economically feasible; especially as Russia and our resident RWNJs are still trying to break the state up, and there's a significant physical disconnect between the state's resource infrastructure and major population clusters. There's a lot of uninhabitable area in the state, not to mention protected environments that would create a problem when managing a large influx of people who may - or may not be bringing jobs or other means of support with them.
Especially since if unchecked, the current federal government will be slashing established federal programs like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, SCHIP, the VA, food assistance, etc. to the bone over the next decade. So much of resident's taxes and fees go to the Federal Government; California still depends on federal funding (plus the economic boost having federal installations and military bases brings) quite a bit to maintain a standard of living for the working poor and the otherwise unemployable. Yhe abomination of the Rich Guy's Club Tax Cut was planned to get rid of any and all assistance and cripple the states with large populations.
We also have a lot of long-established enclaves of Libertarian flakes who just want to be left alone in their little communities while they pretend frontiersmen not getting any benefit - even though they're always sucking off the government tit for either their employment or the infrastructure support systems that enables them to live out away from the big cities. They hate taxes, even though they need the support to survive in the state they feel comfortable in. Even when they're playing "living off the grid".
One of the reasons we're so blue is that they don't typically vote, and they really resent being forced to share anything with anyone outside their immediate acquaintance.
Start getting on their "radar" or showing up around their communities, and they'll start voting just out of spite, because their attitude is you're stepping on "my Gawd-Given Rights".
They did this in the 1930's and '40's to screw with the Oakies and other sharecroppers fleeing to California to avoid the Dust Bowl, they did this in the 1970's and 1980's to screw with the hippies and counterculture for coming out into the rural areas in North and Central and trying to tell them to be "environmentally conscious" or to treat their migrant workers with just an ounce of dignity instead of just profiting off their labor and screwing them over when it was time to pay.
The problem in being "sanctuary" is that whatever happens, California is currently still part of the U.S., and what happens here still depends a lot on what the Federal Government is planning.
Having a large amount of "troublemakers and anti-status quo" population leaving Red States to concentrate in California - or any of the other Blue States - may be what the GOP and social disruptors want.
It's a form of social Gerrymandering - the same one plaguing this country since territories started becoming states - the flaw in our political process. An increasingly smaller coalescence of "Conservatives" can take over more states and government seats to be able to restrict/regulate and punish more Liberal states in the Senate and through the Administration (via the Electoral Collage).
Maintain enough of a gerrymander of districts in the House due to fewer Liberals in Red and Purple states, and any seat increases due to redistricting in the Blue States can (in their view) be offset by stronger Conservative lock on politics in all the other states.
The real issue is what the West as a whole is going to do about this, if the social compact between the states as a whole is broken along religious/political fracturing. California can't do it alone, nor can Colorado, Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico, or Washington State; the bluest of the Western States. Whatever the situation, they've got to do it together, or each is going to sink. And if the reservations want to split from the Federal Government - as I'm pretty sure this current administration wants to break the treaties and take their lands - I'm thinking they should be considered and incorporated also.
On edit - at this point in time, however, the best thing to do is get out the vote. Get the apathetic, the "I don't like politics", the "I can't handle decisions, all I want to do is my job, let someone else take care of the big stuff" types that don't vote out to vote.
They've been couch surfing in Zombie-Citizen Land for way too long.
Haele
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)They aren't content with living their red lives in their red states. They want to take out the liberals in all states.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)We're getting low on habitable land here - not to mention water. Of course we could plow up the agricultural lands in the Central Valley and cover the place with urban sprawl like we did in Silicon Valley, but then what would the rest of the country eat? Not to mention the water situation.
No, much as we'd like you to come visit, it would be more helpful overall to built up more left-leaning zones on the East Coast, around Minneapolis/Austin/Denver/Phoenix/Miami/Atlanta and other urban centers so we can spread the load and (dare I say it?) Make the United States Great!
(IIRC, we're closer to 40 million and 12+% of the population)
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I have thought about moving to California, but the traffic is a nightmare and it's even more expensive than Chicago. Hopefully liberals and progressives in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, North Carolina and others will work on making these states solidly blue again.
I still have hope for Texas and Florida, too.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Who knew?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)No thanks.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Moved there about 5 years ago and has asked me to visit. Ive never been there but I guess it could be a safe haven maybe depending on what happens. My family all have dual citizenship Canadian, where I was born, and my father has wanted to go back there eventually for years so that is more likely. I think CA is more expensive.