Ocasio Cortez is an ally,

[NY_20th]

not an enemy.

She's a young, hard working liberal Democrat who caught the political bug and ran an astounding ground game to win office.

She caught lightening in a bottle.

We should be celebrating her, not demonizing her.

Edit to add: Democrats in New York State support her. Democrats of all stripes support her. Hillary Democrats, Bernie Democrats, Unaffiliated Voters, non voters... everyone.

If she's not a good fit for your district, fine. She a great fit for this New York district, though.

Enough of the bashing of this young, enthused, and engaged Democrat.

[elleng]

1. Yes indeed, and the extent demonizing her occurs here

tells something about 'here.'

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. It sure does elleng. Don't get why anyone here would want to denigrate a rising star like Alexandria

[elleng]

53. It's certainly not smart.

Something sinister, do you think?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Definitely not smart... I'm not quite ready to attribute some sinister intent...

Perhaps, it's still some hurt feelings over a candidate in line for a leadership position who got taken down by a relative unknown WoC who was outspent 18 to 1. Time heals all wounds though - unless your name is Bernie - so, perhaps, we just need to give it a little more time.

[BeyondGeography]

77. +100

[pnwmom]

117. What demonizing? n/t

[emulatorloo]

160. Why are you engaging in this false narrative? Vast majority of DU is excited by AOC.

The media is pumping out dishonest “Dems in Disarray” hot takes. Dems aren’t in Disarray and neither is DU. You are too smart to be falling for this false narrative.

[NurseJackie]

237. Thank you!

[MineralMan]

166. What demonizing? I haven't seen any.

Maybe I'm missing some threads.

[Gothmog]

170. Same here

I preferred Crowley but I have seen no demonizing. I was pleased to see Crowley play a song for this candidate

[MineralMan]

177. That race is in a district where she should win handily.

She has Crowley's support, too. Not every district is right for a really progressive candidate, but that one seems to be, and that's a good thing.

I have a problem only when someone is pissed off that a progressive candidate in the primaries doesn't defeat a Democratic incumbent. Not every district will elect a real progressive. We need Democrats to win in as many districts as possible, so some will get a less progressive Democrat who can win.

Every congressional district is unique. There is no single solution for finding the Democrat who will be successful. Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.

So, good for this young woman. She ran in a district where she can win in November and defeated the incumbent in the primary. The voters decide. That's how it works. She has my full support.

[dameatball]

176. I haven't seen any either, but sometimes these threads pass by pretty quickly.

[AtomicKitten]

182. yes, it does

Yes indeed, and the extent demonizing her occurs here tells something about 'here.'

And it is so insular, so trifling, so misguided.

[Champion Jack]

226. agreed

[Scurrilous]

2. She hasn't won office yet...

[NY_20th]

4. No, but she is likely to win.

This is a very blue district.

[JI7]

6. Pretty much hers just like Newsom will be Governor

[RhodeIslandOne]

122. She is the Democratic nominee

She must win and everyone here must support her. Full stop.

[Demsrule86]

3. Who cares? She is not in my district...no interest in her one way or the other.

I wish all Democrats that best of course...but I have more important things to worry about. I fail to see why this is even worthy of a post...no one is demonizing her that I have seen. Went to a march for the kids today in Youngstown Ohio. What has she done for the kids?

[NY_20th]

7. She, like Joe Crowley has been a strong advocate for the kids.

New York Democrats are not at war with each other.

[Demsrule86]

12. I know Joe was down at the border...hadn't heard anything about her in this

regard...good to know. I just hope she will do a good job period.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. Yup, of course Alexandria was at the border & she advocated for eliminating ICE

a terrorist organization if there ever was one.

She doesn't equivocate, like some, that ICE has a purpose and a role, or that it certainly should exist. NO, Alexandria nails it... ICE terrorizes children, ripping them from the arms of their loving parents and separately confining them in concentration camps... as such, ICE should be permanently abolished, period, as it serves no good purpose or role, and good for Alexandria in leading on this issue!!

[Demsrule86]

85. As I said...good for her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. Yes, I see that you did Dems, and good for you for saying so... tip of the hat...

[Demsrule86]

109. I want her succeed and become a superstar...we need superstars and younger folks in

our party. I support all Democrats.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. Absolutely! They are our future.

[melman]

11. 'what has she done for the kids?'

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

13. excellent ...good for her.

[question everything]

112. Same here, but I wonder whether there is a lesson there

I don't know how many voted in the primaries. I wonder whether many voters were so sure that Crowley would win that they did not bother to vote. I have been going to primaries, even, and especially when the outcome was a given because I am afraid that someone will challenge the presumed favorite, that many would not bother to vote and a challenger will win.

[Demsrule86]

143. They said on TV (MSNBC) that 5 % voted...had Cuomo been on the ballot, I think

it would have been higher.

[Stonepounder]

116. Sadly I have seen a number of posts putting her down.

She's too young. She doesn't have enough experience. She is too liberal (if you can imagine). She need seasoning. And on and on and on.

I haven't been able to figure out where the animosity is coming from.

I figure she won the election, which says she is popular with Democrats in her district. So good on her and I'll root for her.

[Demsrule86]

142. I have not done that...and this comes from the media meme that her election shows

a Democratic Party in disarray which is not true. I mean what other newbie won a primary and is on the TV Sunday shows today...not her fault of course. She is the nominee and I wish her the best. I would vote for her if I lived in her district.

[RhodeIslandOne]

123. No interest one way or another?

We should have an interest in in every single Democrat running for federal office. Every win is a building block.

[Demsrule86]

141. Oh please. I am always happy to see a Dem win...but I am not interested in every Dem House member.

I don't even know all their names...doubt many do. I am in Ohio. I am working in my neck of the woods...big job.

[CanSocDem]

154. We'd just like to see...

...the same enthusiasm you show for Hillary and The Bernie Dismissal, shown to this rising star.


.

[Demsrule86]

217. I am not happy with Sen. Sanders but I did vote for him in 16. I wouldn't vote for him again because

of the identity politics thing and the criticisms of the Democratic Party ( I am talking primary/ I will vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is in 20 and beyond). As for Hillary who has a long history with the Democratic party and gave us CHIP...yes I admire her. I think she is great and was treated unfairly. Now why would you expect the same level of enthusiasm for a candidate who has won a primary but has not yet held office that I have for a woman, I have admired for over 20 years and who was also a first lady? I may get there in time. Give people time to get to know her and see what she does. I do admire Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's primary win...I was quite shocked. I didn't expect her to win...impressive. I have no doubt she will take the seat in the general and let's see what happens. I hope she is wildly successful.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

215. I understand what you're sayin'... makes perfect sense.

[Demsrule86]

216. There is a thread which I think you posted in on about Yorktown which is a very nice place to

live...don't get the issue...I guess it comes from a Newsmax article although, I didn't see one...the candidate lived in Yorktown which is in Westchester Country-great schools...obviously parents who cared...not easy to afford and she went to BU ...great school. You have to be smart to get in there-I grew up in nearby Connecticut and we considered BU to be as good as Ivy...fail to see the the problem...I think we need to be careful not to let the right destroy one of our own by buying into whatever slander against Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (pasting still can't spell her name!)they have cooked up. It looks like she may be getting the Clinton/Pelosi treatment. It doesn't matter where she came from and her family story is hers and needs no defense against the GOP bastards, it matters what she has become/who she is now...and it seems to me that she is an admirable person.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

218. It's an easy trap to fall into, though, you wouldn't think so, at least not for a "big tent" party.

[RandomAccess]

5. +10000 gazillion

[Cha]

8. I have seen no "bashing".. just discussions

that bring out some facts.

[NY_20th]

9. I've seen a lot of innuendo and uncalled for smearing.

Ocasio is a Democrat. A proud Democrat. A very hard working Democrat. An inspiring Democrat for her district.

[Cha]

10. I get it.. she's a Democrat.

[NY_20th]

15. Not just a Democrat, but a young and enthused Democrat.

It seems a bit counterproductive to be disparaging her.

[Cha]

23. In what way has she been "disparaged"?

[NY_20th]

34. Oh, I don't know.

Maybe perhaps every time there is a thread on her some people want to throw tomatoes at her?

[Cha]

37. But why?

I see no tomatoes.

[NY_20th]

63. I see a lot of them being thrown.

Frankly, I'm done discussing it with the people who are throwing them.

[Cha]

83. Good.. I see questions no tomatoes.

[NY_20th]

86. You can see what you want to see.

But I'm not buying the disarray bullshit any longer.

[Cha]

89. And, you don't buy what you don't want to.. the discussions

will go on in spite of how we see things.

[NY_20th]

92. Yeah, I suppose it will.

Still doesn't give you the right to pass your poor assumptions onto me.

[Cha]

97. Oh NO.. now you're the victim. you poor thing.

[NY_20th]

99. No. I'm not.

Seriously, though. What do you have against this young woman.

[LanternWaste]

223. It's raining tomatoes, I s'pose. Super secret tomatoes only you can see.

The tomatoes being thrown you perceive are simply people asking you to provide evidence of tomatoes being thrown.

(I'd pretend offense too if I had little else of substance from which deliver my support)

[Honeycombe8]

124. Can you post some links to some of those "demonizing" posts?

I suspect what you call "demonizing" and "throwing tomatoes" are just people who have had discussions about her, and they didn't quite agree with your assessment.

As you said to me in this thread, "what's it to you?" and told me I had no right expressing any opinion on the matter, since I don't live in that district.

You keep repeating your "throwing tomatoes" & "demonizing" in numerous posts, but never can cite an example. Can you cite some examples? Must be a lot of them, for you to do a special thread about it.

[NY_20th]

134. You can choose to read threads and opinions,

or you can choose not to.

That's up to you.

[mcar]

173. So you got nothing

Just unfounded accusations.

[Demsrule86]

14. Of course she is a Democrat...and ?

[NY_20th]

16. And?

Let's stop eating our own.

[Demsrule86]

31. This is just more dividing...out of the blue up pops a thread about this young woman...and I have

to say a big who cares...a Dem take a Dems seat...OK. I don't care about this person one way or the other -other than I support all Democrats always...I am always suspicious of anyone who is supported by Sarandon or OR...but she is not my rep so...why should I care?

The other side of the coin is people acting like this young woman is the second coming or something when she hasn't even won office; although, I have little doubt she will in that district. some are pushing her to hard. I sense an air of desperation in some of these posts...and for the life of me, I don't understand why.

[NY_20th]

33. Is it really too much to ask to just congratulate her?

If you don't care, that's fine. But New York State Democrats, and especially our younger Democrats, care.

We are impressed and inspired by her.

No one in New York is acting like she's "the second coming". We're just congratulating her for a job well done.

[murielm99]

93. Can we eat the tomatoes instead?

Where are they?

[NY_20th]

96. I love a tomato sandwich

on toast, with lots of mayo, salt and pepper.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. I've seen it too... so sad to see at a time when we should all be uniting

against our common enemy, the peeResident.

[Gothmog]

171. and you were wrong

[Trumpocalypse]

190. Where?

[Me.]

43. Quite

What the worry about her?

[Cha]

47. It's not like we're making up questions

out of thin air.

Me

[NurseJackie]

238. Mahalo!

[SidDithers]

17. ...

Sid

[emulatorloo]

18. Of course! Seems like most all of DU is excited about her win.

I don’t really see this “demonization” you are seeing.

I’ve seen some embarrassing hot takes from the pundits pushing the false “Dems in Disarray” meme that folks are pushing back on. Cuz pundits are annoying.

But pretty much everybody here is excited about AOC. There isn’t a divide here afaik.

[NY_20th]

20. Perhaps it is only coming from a few.

Some are certainly taking their time to make their critiques against her on my threads about her.

I welcome her. I find her refreshing.

And yes, I laugh at those who use Ocasio as a meme for the Democratic Party being in disarray.

Far from it. Democratic women, and Democratic men, and Democratic young voters are out there fighting and getting out the vote. Every district matters. All politics are local.

[JI7]

19. I think everyone needs to learn from Crowley and follow

his lead in getting behind her right away.

[NY_20th]

21. Yes. Absolutely.

We Democrats stand with each other in New York State.

[KPN]

56. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. Yes, my hat's off to Crowley... we should all follow his lead.

[RandySF]

22. Arguing over a deep blue district is colossal waste of time and energy

Everyone please move on. The primary is over.

[Me.]

24. Why Are You Feeling So Defensive About Her?

This is your second thread on her in hours.

[NY_20th]

25. Because I'm from New York State and I like her.

Because my oldest is her age and I find her to be a breath of fresh air, a way of bridging the gap between older and younger Democrats in New York State.

Because she represents unity in a time and age when we need it most.

[elleng]

27. 'She represents unity in a time and age when we need it most.'

Last edited Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:36 AM - Edit history (2)

'Because my oldest is her age and I find her to be a breath of fresh air, a way of bridging the gap between older and younger Democrats in New York State.

Because she represents unity in a time and age when we need it most.'

[Demsrule86]

94. She doesn't represent unity...quite the contrary...after her election all the newspaper ran stories

about how her election showed the Democratic party was divided. She seems like a good person and should do a fine job but right now, I don't see her as representing anything in particular...good or bad.

[elleng]

98. I was quoting NY 20th, have edited.

[Demsrule86]

108. Sorry...you don't have to edit for me...I like Cortez...I just don't understand the significance

that many give this election...congrats to her and hope she does well.

[elleng]

150. Thanks. I should have made clear I was quoting.

'Significance' may be the 'unknown' quality, due to lack of media coverage? Or 'surprise' of a 'new' start-up?

[NY_20th]

102. She absolutely does.

Why are some of you going out of your way to disparage her.

She's a Democrat. A proud Democrat.

[Me.]

39. I Too Am A NYer

and I will wait and see. My only concern with her is that she focuses on winning the upcoming election. Her win says anything can happen in that district though it's very Dem and Latino. But only 10% of the district voted and I find that worrying.

[NY_20th]

44. It's an 80 percent Democratic district.

Although we should never take anything for granted, this young woman has proven that she is willing to put in the effort to win her election.

[Me.]

46. But You Haven't Really Answered My Question

why the big push? I just took a look and you posted a thread at:

7:38

8:43

9:54

10:53

Are you a member of her campaign?

[NY_20th]

49. Because, as I've said repeatedly,

I like her, and I'm tired of her being used as a pawn in a ideological war.

What works in New York, may not work elsewhere, but she is a very good fit for her district and she is not at war with the Democratic Party as some are portraying.

Also, I'm a mom, and I would never want my daughter to be used as fodder on an internet message board by people who are against the Democratic Party and against stopping this Trump atrocity.

[Me.]

52. When Was She A Pawn?

she's been on the scene for what...5 minutes? Honestly, you may be making more of this than exists and in the process not doing her any favors.

[NY_20th]

57. I'm simply trying to congratulate a young woman who did an

incredible job, defied odds, caught lightening in a bottle, and won.

If you can't find it in yourself to wish her well, that's on you.

[Me.]

58. PLease Don't Project Your Negative Thoughts On Others

when they are asking questions.

[NY_20th]

59. Oh, I'm not.

You clearly spoke for yourself.

[Me.]

62. I Did

I asked when was she a pawn and whose.

[KPN]

61. Or you could just take NY_20th at face value

[NY_20th]

119. Thank you.

[R B Garr]

69. ++++, wow, that's 4 threads just today.

There’s a word for that....

After wasting time explaining that I don’t know her enough to judge but I recognized her repeat some Revolution talking points, and I don’t like Revolution talking points, the poster keeps mischaracterizing. There have been multiple threads for days.

I’m going to agree with Sid Dithers and just give it a

[Me.]

75. ...

[NY_20th]

78. OK, I'm not going to fight you on this

I'm committed to winning back the House and stopping this atrocity.

You can do what you like.

[lapucelle]

145. Yes, but NY 14th is not a "flipping the seat" race.

We have to have her back if we are to retain that Democratic seat, but if people want to win back the House, the focus has to be on ousting Republicans.

[NY_20th]

156. Right. Which is why I have a thread on Liuba, too.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210810317

[lapucelle]

163. I live just outside Peter King's district

and was in front of his office protesting the family separations just two weeks ago. Here's Newsday's coverage of the Democratic congressional primary debate:

Democratic congressional hopefuls DuWayne Gregory and Liuba Grechen Shirley sparred Monday night in a debate at Levittown Hall over whose experience would best position them to unseat Republican Rep. Peter King in November.

Grechen Shirley said Gregory’s showing in a 2016 race against King, when Gregory lost by 24 points to the longtime 2nd District incumbent, plus her fundraising ability had put her in position to harness Democrats energized against President Donald Trump and other Republicans.

snip============================

Earlier in the debate, the candidates struggled to show how their policy platforms differed.

Grechen Shirley said universal health care is her top issue, followed by taxes and the environment.

Gregory said his top issues were education, universal health care and passing “common-sense gun safety.”

Asked to identify where they differed on policy, the candidates acknowledged their platforms were similar. At one point, Grechen Shirley turned to Gregory and asked, “What do we differ on?” She then turned toward the audience of about 100 people. “We agree on a lot,” she said.

Both candidates promised that whoever loses will help the other against King in the fall.

**********************************************************

Grechen Shirley is a great candidate and has voiced support for both universal coverage and John Conyers' Medicare for All Bill, HR 676 (first introduced in 2003 and re-introduced in almost every Congressional session since).

We're optimistic because we flipped the county offices blue last year, but we need all hands on deck.We began canvassing with Democratic voter pledge cards at train stations last month.

On a side note, former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg hosted a fundraiser for King just last week.

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/liuba-grechen-shirley-duwayne-gregory-congress-1.18976269

https://www.liubaforcongress.com/meet-liuba

https://www.liubaforcongress.com/issues

[NY_20th]

118. You can see my journal here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/~NY_20th

and judge for yourself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. Good for you!! Keep posting and promoting unity... Indeed, Alexandria is a breath of fresh air!!

[Demsrule86]

32. That is my question...I have seen tons of these sort of posts. Why?

[NY_20th]

38. Because she's a young dynamo that's inspiring?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. Seriously!! No, no, we can't have that!!

Gotta love ¡Alexandria!

[Demsrule86]

87. I don't see it..an obscure seat in New York...her primary win was a surprise...but she

hasn't even been elected. Two post in like four hours over the same person? I reserve judgement on Ms. Cortez. If she supports Democrats and does a good job...I am glad she is there...if not...well in two years she runs again.

[NY_20th]

88. You can reserve judgement of me all you want.

But you can't deny that the media latched onto her like a pack of hyenas.

Is it that hard to just congratulate her and not throw her to the wolves with agendas?

[Demsrule86]

101. What? I don't appreciate having my words twisted...I said I was reserving judgement on how

candidate Cortez does once elected. It seems reasonable. I wish her well as I do all Democrats. I am not in the habit of judging other DU'ers either so that statement was not directed at you. I have congratulated her...and have not thrown her to the wolves either...so I fail to see the purpose of this reply...other than to be somewhat rude and to accuse me of things I did not do. Have a nice evening.

[NY_20th]

103. have you been following this thread?

If you haven't been following it, fine.

But if you have, I'm not going to play this game anymore.

I refuse to go along with this ideological warfare. It's stupid, and useless.

[H2O Man]

157. "ibscure seat" ????

Odd, that.

Rep. Crowley was recognized as having a mighty good chance of becoming our party's next leader in the House.

Alexandria is rather high-profile in the news lately. She's hardly obscure.

[Me.]

40. Exactly

what's the deal?

[NY_20th]

45. Excitement for the younger generation joining the Democratic Party.

Is this really that astonishing when it happens in New York State?

[Demsrule86]

90. Oh come on...you all have decided this is some sort of message for the left left-she has been on TYT

as I recall. But a Democrat winning on an anti - gentrification platform...is nothing of the kind. She ran on local issues...very smart. I don't see this win as meaning Dems are divided or any other of the stuff I have read since here.

[NY_20th]

91. I did no such thing.

Read through this thread before you make assumptions on my thoughts please.

[calimary]

26. We need the bench strength.

[NY_20th]

28. Yes. And I applaud the younger Democrats who are joining us.

[calimary]

30. No kidding. The younger generations in particular.

[zentrum]

29. She's the future of the party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. Without question... gotta love ¡Alexandria!

[GulfCoast66]

35. I agree

No Progressive here by a long shot.

But she seems seem a strong liberal and is a Proud Member if the Democratic Party as well as the perfect representative of her district. Obviously better than the candidate she defeated. That is all I ask.

I expect good things from her. She has the chance to be there for decades and to be a major influence on the party. We need more young democrats like her.

And piling on to your point. Do not condemn democrats who might have a chance to win in my district if they do not agree with her on every issue.

Respecting Democrats from all regions is how we win.

Your post is excellent.

Have a nice evening.

[NY_20th]

42. Thank you.

I hope you have a nice evening as well.

[GulfCoast66]

48. I am.

Renaldo and Messi are gone. France(my team since the US is not there) looked strong. I am sipping good bourbon and smoking a good cigar.

And for the first time I am able to internalize that Bernie supporters are more than likely good democrats despite what I think about the man himself.

Your post made me do some self reflection which is not easy even for liberals. It was written perfectly.

For that I sincerely thank you.

[NY_20th]

51. You are kind.

Thank you, and enjoy your bourbon and cigar.

[NY_20th]

54. Oh, and I want to add that I was not and am not a Bernie Supporter,

but I know many young people who were.

I don't think of Ocasio as your typical Bernie Supporter. One glaring difference is that Ocasio understands that Civil Rights are important.

If Bernie was the one to get her to be involved, good for him. She has taken it much further than he did, and it shows in her platform.

[GulfCoast66]

67. Oh, I was not referring to you who I know nothing about.

But her. She supported him. But I realize now that she can still be a strong Democratic messenger.

She is a member of the Democratic Party and is perfect for her district.

Goodness I hope my state can finally elect more democrats. We sorely need them.

[NY_20th]

81. Yes, she is.

And yes, we need as many Democrats as we can get on board to fix this atrocity.

We need them all.

Cheers.

[GaryCnf]

36. The slurs against Ocasio-Cortez

Remind me of the bullshit during the 2008 primary. Accusatioms that she won because of the color of her skin belong on Newsmax.

We are starting to learn who Michael Harriot was talking about when he wrote about Wypipo in The Root and they aren't who a huge percentage of folks want to believe they are.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. +1,000,000!! Absolutely brings back bad memories of the 2008 primary.

[Demsrule86]

95. I have seen no such post...how about a link...that's is kind of a vile accusation.

[Trumpocalypse]

191. Neither have I

I’m beginning to think that there are trolls here looking to divide us.

[Demsrule86]

194. I am sure of it.

[NY_20th]

200. Are you calling me a troll?

[Trumpocalypse]

206. I don't know.

All I know is that you made a divisive post attacking other DU members and refuse to prove your accusations.

[Cha]

125. "Accusations that she won because of the color of her skin.."

That's HOGWASH.. Prove It since you made such a disgraceful accusation.

And, bringing wipipo into it.. REALLY?!

[GaryCnf]

144. Links?

I'll do you one better, I'll discuss what is being done instead of inviting a "personal attack" alert.

I'll do that instead not merely to "prove" this observation, but also to observe whether the same "plausible deniability" used to excuse the racist attacks on Obama during the 2008 primary will be used again. My prediction is they will.

Many around the country have sought to minimize Ocasio-Cortez primary win, calling it insignificant that a refreshing and unabashedly progressive young woman defeated one of the most powerful members of the Democratic conference, a scion of the Establishment wing of the party in a closed Democratic primary.

Some are humorous, for example listening to the same people who trumpet the every primary defeat of a progressive candidate at the hands of a DCCC-funded establishment candidate as a reaffirmation of the popularity of the politics as usual approach saying they don't care about primary results has to bring at least a chuckle. Others have merely engaged in continuing to tear down enthusiasm for the Democratic nominee by pointing to her support for/by "Enemies of the Party" under the guise of "helping" her understand how associating herself with such people would undermine her support among a segment of the party -- even as they vocally criticized DU members for continuing to point out aspects of another nominee that they believed undermined support among a segment of our party.

But many have provided an explanation for Ocasio-Cortez which is indeed vile. Carefully avoiding mentioning the fact that she is Latina, and hence the plausible deniability, they attribute her win to the fact that the district has a burgeoning population of registered Democrats who they describe as "Latinos." Say what? What in the f does that have to do with anything? Was Joe Crowley insensitive to the unique concerns of "Latinos?" No. What exactly was the difference between Crowley and Ocasio-Cortez that made her a more attractive candidate to "Latinos?" Not one person claiming that the demographic of the district has even tried to explain why it made a difference. They just whistled at an almost inaudibly high frequency "It's no surprise a Latina won in a Latino district."

Brown and Black people can hear that whistle too.

[emulatorloo]

161. So you can't provide links, just strawmen. Vast majority of DU is behind AOC. End of discussion.

,

[GaryCnf]

167. You got a word for word description

of what was said. If you need more than that, you aren't trying.

There are plenty of people defending what was said, albeit with little more than rhetorical games, already. Pretending like it wasn't said won't work.

[emulatorloo]

168. Dunno, seems like you are trying to manufacture a conflict on DU that doesn't exist.

This notion that DU’ers “hate” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just isn’t true.

Vast majority of posters are very excited about her and her primary victory.

Seems like you have read one too many “Democrats in Disarray” hot takes from the pundit class and think you need to impose that ridiculous framing on DU. We are more unified than ever.

[GaryCnf]

172. Oh, I agree that the vast majority

are doing the right thing. Just like the vast majority of Sanders supporters did the right thing. Just like the vast majority of Clinton supporters did the right thing in 2008. Just like Joe Crowley did minutes after Ocasio-Cortez won.

We all came together in the real world.

Unfortunately, we as a message board community appear unwilling to call out those who will not, and are willing to go to any lengths, even reprehensible ones, to take a swipe at whomever in our party they still insist is the other side.

For the most part their rhetoric, while divisive, is within the bounds of what we all stand for. This one, however, is a bridge too far to just ignore.

[lapucelle]

146. I haven't seen those accusations, only your references to them. N/T

[GaryCnf]

147. Of course you haven't

Because claiming that the changing demographics is why Ocasio-Cortez won doesn't say that at all, right?

[lapucelle]

149. Saying that changing demographics may have been a factor

is not the same as saying Ocasio-Cortez only won because she is Latina. Many posters (and analyists) are citing demographics as one of several factors that may have been in play in her stunning win, but I'm not seeing the "she only won because of her ethnicity" narrative anywhere here on DU except in posts accusing other people of thinking or saying it.

[GaryCnf]

151. And in a single post, everything is confirmed.

Defense #1:

"Saying that changing demographics may have been a factor is not the same as saying Ocasio-Cortez only won because she is Latin."

So, unless it's the exact words, that isn't what it means, right? So we're going with plausibile deniability right off the bat? Excellent. Now tell me, WHAT ELSE CAN IT MEAN? Are you going to try to claim that Joe Crowley was weak on issues that are particularly important to this "growing demographic?" If you are, you're going to have some trouble because Joe Crowley is one of the most vocal and high profile advocates on behalf of Latinos we have in the House. He was out in front of border patrol headquarters in the hot sun just days before the election leading the charge for the Trump's child victims. Is there some other issue with a particular impact on Latinos where he and Ocasio-Cortez differed enough to account for his defeat, much less the margin of defeat? There isn't. There is no innocent explanation for claiming that the growing "Latino" community in that district undercuts the significance of the result in this primary and the fact that NO POSTER has been able to come up with one is proof.

Defense #2:

"Many posters (and analyists) are citing demographics as one of several factors that may have been in play"

Yea, true, just like there were many posters (and analysts) who cited demographics as the reason it was unsurprising that Obama won in South Carolina in the 2008 primary ('cuase, you know . . . there are a lot of black people in South Carolina). It doesn't make it less despicable posters (and analysts) have gotten away with suggesting that minorities vote for people who look like them in the past. It only reaffirms Wypipo's privilege and control over the public discourse.

Ocasio-Cortez won because she ran on HOPE for what the future holds if she wins, not on FEAR of what the future holds if her opponent wins. She won because she ran on what we could do, not on excuses for the things we couldn't. She won on messages that appeal to districts that are 1% Latino or 100% Latino. She quit moping long before the greatest president of our time told the rest of the party to quit moping.

To claim otherwise is indeed vile.

[R B Garr]

159. It is actually you who has confirmed your bias and motives

Maybe you could share what state you are from?? Are you deliberately pretending to be so naive about political analysis? I’m in Southern California where demographics are always a discussion. Demographics are always the first thing discussed about voting changes and candidate appeal. Demographics were the first thing discussed about Ocasia’s win on MSNBC. Changing demographics have been going in for decades in California.

Your umbrage looks very out of touch and bizarrely personal. It looks like your anger is more about a forced narrative. Her win has to fit some big sweeping wave of Revolution talking points. You have no idea why each individual voted for her and to suggest you do know is truly bizarre.

[GaryCnf]

164. And once again

No explanation why demographics would have anything to do with results in a Democratic primary.

But you've added the predictable attack on the motives of the messenger.

Btw, I'm in Memphis and my interest in speaking out whenever I see members of our party engage in racial stereotyping when an election doesn't turn out the way they like is that it damages our product among people we need to be inspiring.

Btw, I talk about demographics all the time when I am talking about running against REPUBLICANS because our party has significant POLICY advantages on issues of particular importance to people of color and demographics are indeed relevant there because of the POLICY differences. IF the folks out there in the media and elsewhere can show the demographics had anything to do with making Ocasio-Cortez POLICY POSITIONS more attractive in that district, that would be one thing. So far, though NO ONE has even tried to do so.

[R B Garr]

179. Okay, it's obvious you can't be serious here, which is why I mentioned

motives. My reference to motives was about a loyalty to revolution talking points, which seems to be what is going on here. This naivete just doesn't make sense otherwise. If you were a Bernie supporter, I bet you are very conversant in the demographics he openly appealed to -- working class voters. Doesn't demographics just mean shared characteristics?? It doesn't mean people are putting you down. C'mon now!

Reagan Democrats are a demographic. Religious voters are a demographic. Young voters are a demographic. Older voters are a demographic. There are scads of demographics. Any discussion of politics is about demographics.

There are very public and well-known statistics that white voters will be minority in the voting population in the next 40 years or so (I'd have to look up the exact estimated year). There are scads of analysis about demographics ever since the beginning of elections. Your concerns are obviously about something other than a discussion of demographics...

This is a waste of time now. When you cannot even accept common knowledge about a simple political concept like demographics, there is obviously something else that is motivating you...

[GaryCnf]

183. Do you need a Kleenex?

[R B Garr]

187. How utterly lame, but not surprising.

[GaryCnf]

184. Btw, it's called the truth

Link to tweet

?s=19

[R B Garr]

186. Demographics are always part of any election.

Tweets won’t change that, lol.

[emulatorloo]

165. Some people seem hell bent on manufacturing a DU "conflict" that doesn't exist.

As far as I can tell most everybody at DU likes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and thinks she ran an excellent campaign. I think your term “Forced Narrative” is accurate. There are all these dumb pundits pumping out terrible false hot takes about “Dems in Disarray”. Why some DU’ers would buy into I don’t know.

[R B Garr]

180. Exactly. Well said.

[R B Garr]

213. Ocasio was on Meet the Press and said there are

other districts in New York that have changed in the last 20 years. What do you suppose that means??

Demographics are not the color of someone’s skin. That is a truly inane and vulgar comment and that is being kind. No one said anything about skin color except you. You are trying way too hard to be outraged.

[Puzzler]

65. 100% agreement

-Puzzler

[JoeOtterbein]

71. She is the best candidate I've seen since Paul Wellstone. Clear, concise without hemming or hawwing.

And she has a great talent for pointing out corporate political talking points for their baseless lies they pimp everyday.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. That's quite the comparison... it's still early, but if anyone can fill those shoes...

it's ¡Alexandria!

[JoeOtterbein]

82. Pushed a bit I would say at this time she is better!

She will go very far. I know that for sure in my bones!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. I have a good feeling also... I'm predicting a presidential run in her future too!!

[uppityperson]

80. Transfer it to a container you can use for pouring and set it on a warm--but not hot--place on or near

the stovetop.

[PatrickforO]

76. Let us rejoice in her victory and hope she wins the seat in November.

I like her on issues, that's for sure.

[Demsrule86]

105. She is going to win in that district. I would be shocked if she didn't...(and dismayed).

[JI7]

79. i think there is some sensitivity over Sanders not endorsing Clinton for weeks

and how many of his supporters behaved such as the booing at the convention.

and then his lack of support for Jon Ossoff who was in a red district which was actually competitive.

people don't want the same done to Cortez . but the most important thing is her opponent endorsed her right away and it's a solid blue district unlike the other cases so one doesn't need to worry.

[Voltaire2]

140. Thanks for validating the op's concern.

[Honeycombe8]

104. I haven't seen anyone demonizing her.

Expressing an opinion, even a negative one, if done analytically and for a reason, is valid. People are entitled to their opinions, if given respectfully.

As for "everyone" supporting her, you're getting a little carried away. "Everyone" doesn't support anyone.

I think it was a mistake to get rid of a strong Democratic voice in the House right at this crucial time. The new person won't be on committees or have much a voice in Congress. But that's who they voted for, so they think she's the best choice for them.

[NY_20th]

107. If she's not in your state, then why are you concerned?

There are no Democrats who are losing sleep over this election in New York.

We'll miss Joe, but we know he'll still be an active and strong voice.

We also appreciate the enthusiasm that OC has brought.

Politics are local.

We'll take care of ours, you should take care of yours.

[Honeycombe8]

110. Who is in Congress affects everyone in the country. You don't own people's opinions.

You don't get to say what other people can voice an opinion on.

We'll take care of our opinions, and speak whenever we want on relevant matters. You should take care of yours. Please stop insulting people for not jumping on your bandwagon.

[NY_20th]

115. I have not insulted a single person.

[NY_20th]

127. Stop it. I have not insulted anyone.

[RhodeIslandOne]

126. Unfortunately there are many who won't miss Joe

They smeared the guy quite a bit, called him a "crony" and a lot of nasty stuff.

He was a class act as he conceded.

That doesn't reflect on Ocasio Cortez, who I did not see act like that.

But some of her supporters? Acted like trash not class. And still acting like bad winners. Hopefully they are this nasty to her Republican opponent, because a lot of them seem to lighten up on them.

[NY_20th]

128. Of course you didn't see OC act like that.

Because she hasn't, and she won't.

[colsohlibgal]

106. She Is A Rising Star

I am right where she is politically and love everything I have seen regarding her. She is young refreshing new blood, what we need right now. She is a rising star in our party.

It is past time to have the pie split a bit more evenly, Time to fight the big money Richie Riches, the lobbyists, time to worry more about Main Street.

[TomCADem]

111. Exactly! Unlike Bernie, She Ran As A Democrat

There are a bunch of strange posts that are trying to create some sort of fake fight in the Democratic party, but there isn't. She is part of the Democratic party. Unlike Bernie, who is not a Democrat, Cortez did not run as a third party candidate or an independent. She ran as a Democratic member of the House.

[NY_20th]

113. Thank you.

She's a wonderful young Democrat, and I can't believe some are arguing against her.

There is no fight here. She should be embraced by all.

[Honeycombe8]

120. Not quite right. Bernie DID run as a Democrat.

He ran as a Democrat. Even though he's not.

He joins the Dem Party to run, then if & when he wins the nomination, he un-enrolls, and runs as an independent. It prevents a Democrat from running against him & locks up the nomination for him.

https://www.politico.eu/article/bernie-sanders-to-run-as-a-democrat-but-not-accept-nomination/

[Jim Lane]

175. Bernie does not and cannot prevent a Democrat from running against him.

At least one Democrat has already announced an intention to run against Bernie in the Democratic primary.

What really has some people so miffed is that the Democrats of Vermont are quite likely to vote in droves for Bernie, despite having been repeatedly told on DU that he's not a Democrat. Inexplicably, they seem to discount the "issue" of formal party identification.
Instead, they value his actual performance in public office over the course of many years.

But there is no chicanery or impropriety involved. Bernie has been very open about what he'll do if he wins the primary. An opponent who thinks that's a winning issue is free to travel up and down Vermont, handing out leaflets with some of the choice Bernie-bashing posts from DU. If such an opponent can persuade the Democratic primary voters, then he or she will be the Democratic nominee.

[TomCADem]

185. Bernie Has Been Open About Exploiting Democratic Party

He is not trying to build a Democratic coalition. Instead he exploits it and cherry picks running as a Democrat, then announcing he will run as an independent. Like Trump, he has no allegiance but to himself.

So long as Bernie takes advantage and bashes Democrats, I will bash him right back, particularly when he is supportive of Trump or Trump’s policies on trade, immigration, Russia or protecting gun makers from lawsuits.

For all of his talk about building coalitions, Bernie’s actions with respect to the Democratic Party show how he has acted to undermine, rather than build it.

[Jim Lane]

188. Lovely word, "exploiting". Spares one the trouble of making a rational argument.

Look, we all know that, on DU, you're perfectly free to bash Bernie all you want, ToS be damned. You're entitled to your opinion.

But I was addressing this specific statement: "It prevents a Democrat from running against him & locks up the nomination for him."

That statement is not a matter of opinion. It concerns a matter of fact, and it is a flat-out falsehood. Nothing prevents Democrats from running against Bernie in the Democratic primary. He does not have the nomination locked up. If he wins the primary, it will not be because of any subterfuge. (I appreciate your at least recognizing that he has been open about his plans.) He will probably win the primary, but only because the people who vote in the Democratic primary don't share the butthurt of some of the Bernie-bashers on DU.

I supported Bernie for the nomination in 2016. When Hillary won the nomination anyway, I voted for her. It's sad that some people are already laying the groundwork to refuse to extend the same respect to the outcome of the forthcoming Vermont primary.

[TomCADem]

192. I pointed Out Substantive Issues, Yet You Just Dismiss Them...

...as “Bernie Bashing”. This is perhaps my biggest beef with Bernie and his supporters. You can point out his positions and statements, yet like a Trump supporter dismissing Trump’s lies, they dismiss it all as me being hater.

It is a cult of personality that strikes me as dangerous and undemocratic where we uncritically support someone.

The irony is we ridicule Trump supporters for similar behavior.

C’mon does it bother you a bit that Trump has pretty much adopted Bernie’s trade policies?

[Jim Lane]

211. This is why I don't bother going into detail.

I answered a flat-out lie about Bernie's role in Vermont politics. You nominally respond to my post without addressing that point.

Now you write, "C’mon does it bother you a bit that Trump has pretty much adopted Bernie’s trade policies?" That's another flat-out lie.

It's like plowing the ocean with you people. On DU, I don't see much of a cult of personality, but I see a very strong and virulent reverse cult -- the people who incessantly, repetitiously, and falsely criticize Bernie.

You just go right on believing whatever you want about Bernie. I despair of deprogramming anyone.

[TomCADem]

214. Lie? Bernie Takes the Democratic Nomination...

...then pisses all over the party and immediately abandons it. Am I missing something? It is sort of like appointing Cornel West to help write the DNC platform, then sitting back while Cornel West endorses Jill Stein.

Once again, am I saying something that is incorrect?

Now, if you accept these as true, then we can have a discussion, but instead, we instead the most common responses from Bernie supporters to issues raised regarding his past positions and statements is: (1) You are a hater; or (2) its Hilary's fault, which is very similar to Trump supporters. So, far you have been doubling down No. 1.

Here, let me help you, here is Bernie cheerleading for Trump end NAFTA:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-13/bernie-sanders-to-trump-on-nafta-for-once-keep-your-promise

Bernie Sanders Tells Trump to Keep His Promise on Nafta

Civil-society groups, union leaders and left-wing politicians have opposed almost everything Trump has done. But they’re urging him to stand firm in his attempt to overhaul Nafta -- and face down opposition from business groups, who complain that U.S. companies will be hurt by the proposed changes. Mexico and Canada have called U.S. demands unworkable, including on regional-content requirements for cars and investor-state dispute systems.

Senator Bernie Sanders, an outspoken critic of trade deals in his campaign for president last year, called on Trump to deliver. “When Donald Trump campaigned for president, he promised that he was going to stop corporations from shifting American jobs to Mexico,” Sanders said Wednesday at a rally for the #ReplaceNafta movement in Washington. “For once in your life, keep your promises.”

Well guess what? Trump imposed steel tariffs, which has been a key Bernie talking point for years.

The reason why I do this is try to help you or other Bernie supporters who can't even see they are acting like Trump supporters. I can provide facts, quotes even videos of Bernie, yet some folks will still insist it is all fake news and that I am just being a hater.

But still, just like Trump supporters, I have faith that eventually the truth will prevail.

[ehrnst]

220. Yep. (nt)

[Honeycombe8]

203. As the candidate, once he wins a primary.

He runs as Dem & wins primary. HE is the Dem candidate...except he changes party to Independent or whatever. There is now no Dem. running against him. HE won the Dem primary.

The article says that's what he does. Perfectly legal, and I assume he does it w/Dem. Party's approval (tho the article doesn't say that).

[Jim Lane]

209. Your assumptions are partly correct, partly incorrect

He never changes his party. He never changes his party registration because he can't -- Vermont doesn't have partisan registration. He never changes his party listing in the Senate, either. Before, during, and after the primary, he's an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, as he has been since he was first elected to the Senate.

You're correct that what he does is perfectly legal. You're also correct about the party's attitude. The Vermont Democratic Party features him on its website and invites him to its events. In Washington, the Democratic caucus in the Senate also has no problem with it. When the Democrats (with his participation in the caucus) hold a majority in the Senate, Bernie chairs a committee, based on his seniority.

There are a few irreconcilables on DU who disapprove (quite vocally), but, fortunately, they don't speak for the party.

[Honeycombe8]

210. You need to take it up with the author of that article. There might be a comments section.nt

[Jim Lane]

212. IMO, I need to move in the other direction.

I waste too much of my time as it is answering silly criticisms of Bernie on DU. It accomplishes nothing. I wish I had the strength of will to ignore them.

You're right that it would be good if someone commented on this particular falsehood, but that someone won't be me.

[RhodeIslandOne]

121. I agree

She won the Democratic primary. Time to support her.

[NY_20th]

129. Thank you.

[RhodeIslandOne]

130. I think there are people on both sides who have been nasty.

The candidates at least had some dignity.

[NY_20th]

131. The candidates were all class.

[Power 2 the People]

132. I'm with you NY 20th

No more bashing. Let's just enjoy the moment,embrace each other and begin fighting like hell from now until November.

True Blue.

[NY_20th]

135. Thank you.

I appreciate it.

[Kaleva]

133. The Ocasio Cortez victory isn't that big a deal

She'll be a fine rep for her district and an asset to the Party but the effort to use her win over some guy most of us never heard of to demonize those like Nancy Pelosi who feel that “They made a choice in one district.” and call for her removal along with others who think like Nancy.

[NY_20th]

136. I'm not doing that,

and frankly, I think many of the responses to this thread are bizarre to say the least.

OC is not looking for a Democratic war, and neither am I.

I'm just a proud New York State Democrat who wanted to give this young proud New York State Democrat some kudos.

[Kaleva]

137. What do you think of the posts using Ocasio Cortez to bash Pelosi and others?

[NY_20th]

138. She never did such a thing

Some in the media are attempting to spin it like she did, but it's not true and she didn't.

I'm done with playing games and buying into bullshit.

[Kaleva]

148. Quite playing games. I never said she was doing it.

And I never said anything about the media either.

Read what I actually wrote. Your twisting of my words in an attempt to make it appear I said something I didn't makes one wonder what your goal actually is.

[R B Garr]

153. This all day! This is what is happening.

Twisting words to make it look like Ocasia is being victimized. It does make one wonder what the actual goal is.

FYI, this OP started 4 threads on the same subject just yesterday. See post #46

[NY_20th]

158. No, I have two threads on OC, not 4.

I started other threads yesterday as well, such as the Maine doctor who in considering running against Susan Collins, and a photo from the Chicago Keep Families Together march, and a few others as well.

All my posts are right there in my journal for anyone to see.

[BluegrassDem]

139. She's not the face of the party

Because the media is concentrated in NYC, they are putting way too much emphasis on her victory. Yes, it was a big victory, but she will be representing the Bronx and Queens. She will be one of 435 representatives. She will not represent anymore people than my congressman. She is not the face of the Democratic Party. Her victory doesn't mean that the party is in disarray or in trouble. She beat an old white man in a majority-minority district. A man that had lost touch and didn't run much of a campaign. I like her and she is a wonderful representative of the party, but these proclamations about her are ridiculous.

[shanny]

152. She is not an ally, she is one of us. nt

[dembotoz]

162. Boom sad it took 152 posts to state the obvious

Thank you for bringing this truth to this thead

[H2O Man]

155. Recommended.

Alexandria is a Democrat. Thus, there should be no confusion here. She's part of the party, which is actually distinct from being an ally. It's sad that so many here have difficulty with this.

[Gothmog]

169. Your fixation with this candidate is amusing but misguided

In Texas, the TX CD 29th district is a gerrymandered district where Hispanic and African American voters were packed. An anglo, Gene Green, has represented this district since 1992 and is retiring www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/us-rep-gene-green-democrat-retire-congress/ In 2016, a former sheriff, Adrian Garcia, ran against Gene in the primary but lost. Gene won but saw the writing on the wall and is retiring.

Crowley's district is similar. The demographics were shifting and now State Senator Sylvia Garcia will be one of the first two Latinas to go to congress from Texas. Sylvia is a good lady and will be a fine congresswoman.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[ismnotwasm]

174. Just watched her on Meet the Press

A show I avoid to the best of my ability as I hate it. She did a good job. Didn’t bash anybody, despite being tossed softball opportunities to do so. I still like her.

[Cha]

181. Good to know.. Thank You,

ism

[dameatball]

178. What's in the water today? Lots of touchy people in here. She won. Good for her. I hope she becomes

a bright star. Will she? I have no idea. Same with Joe Kennedy. But I have my hopes up.

[NY_20th]

207. My hopes are up, too.

She's a breath of fresh air.

[Trumpocalypse]

189. I've seen no bashing

Your post is not accurate and is divisive.

[NY_20th]

193. Well I have.

Maybe it's because I'm from New York and I've been following threads about her.

Anyway, I'm moving on to other discussions.

[R B Garr]

195. No you haven't. You have been called out for deliberately

mischaracterizing what is said to inject your own inflammatory translations. You've been asked multiple times by multiple posters to provide examples, but you are unable to do so. This is an "issue" entirely of your making.

[Trumpocalypse]

197. The fact

that this poster has only been a member for a month makes this all highly suspicious.

[R B Garr]

202. Yes, I checked that a little too late for the time initially spent watching the

completely never-ending inflammatory interpretations. I think you are on to something....

[NY_20th]

198. Congratulations. You have made me look into the ignore function.

Bye.

[R B Garr]

205. Aww, I have a feeling it's not going

to matter too much in the long run....

[Trumpocalypse]

196. I'm from NY too.

And haven’t seen her being attacked. Can you provide any links.

[NY_20th]

199. I'm not going to go along with this nonsense.

google, DU, Ocasio, June 26th.

[Trumpocalypse]

201. Why?

Can’t you prove you own accusations?

[NY_20th]

204. You are going on ignore now too.

I'm not going to waste my time with hostile posters with agendas.

[Trumpocalypse]

208. You're projecting

All I’ve asked for is proof of the accusations you’ve made against other DU members. No agenda other than the truth.

[FSogol]

219. Demonzied? UNREC, false narrative.

Better try next time.

[MineralMan]

221. No. She is an actual Democrat.

[disillusioned73]

222. I haven't visited DU much this weekend..

that sounds concerning.. I hope ppl follow their own advice & "get in line"..

[Blue_Tires]

224. Agreed, but she's still inexperienced

and she needs correction if she thinks Tulsi Fucking Gabbard is the type of Dem she should be cozying up to...

[Wwcd]

228. Tulsi, Our Revolution, Susan Sarandon, ...

With friends like these....

Glad I'm a true blue Democrat. I'll never have to apologize for running a smear campaign to divide the Dem Party on behalf of fascism.

[ck4829]

225. K&R

[Tarc]

227. Any post or thread attacking Ocasio-Cortez should be Alerted on.

Let the jury system take care of it.

[Trumpocalypse]

231. There no posts attacking her

This is a manufactured controversy.

[Tarc]

232. You just keep telling yourself that

[Trumpocalypse]

233. Prove it

Link to these posts. When the OP was asked they refused to show any.

[Tarc]

236. Link to posts that have been alerted on and deleted?

Think about that one for a moment...

[Trumpocalypse]

239. Nice dodge

But I still have yet to see posts attacking her. And those claiming that there are refuse to produce any. This is a manufactured controversy.

[IronLionZion]

229. Welcome to DU!

since you must be new here

[NY_20th]

230. Thank you.

[ucrdem]

234. So why exactly did she decide to primary a safe Democratic seat?

And what if she loses it in November? New York is not famous for playing nice.

[nini]

235. To me the jury is still out.

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Im not ready to crown her prom queen just yet. I hope she wins. I hope she represents her district the way the voters want her to. I hope she keeps her fire. But she has to get in there first. Dealing with the House BS is a bit more difficult and she'll have a learning curve for sure. I am absolutely concerned about her Sarandon stunt and the Tulsi love. Ugh

Ive got pretty high standards - Maxine Waters is my rep.