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Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:21 AM

Not everyone marched for immigrant families today.


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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:30 AM

1. Is it me or does Bernie seem self-absorbed.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:44 AM

2. He does his job,

often speaks for many others, and always with the larger 'good' in mind.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 03:02 AM

167. Really?

He does his job?
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'Please explain what you think his job means. TIA



often speaks for many others,



Really? Where is he for the children today? Where are the girls? I am frightened and in fear for them. The immigrants and their babies ripped away from them some from their breasts. I have no clue where you have gone, elleng. I use to like posting to you and the adorable grandchild pictures. I looked for your posts all the time. I just do not understand you anymore. That is sad. Hope you and yours are well. Yet now you are out of my reach.

and always with the larger 'good' in mind.



No. If it was for the larger good he would have been there for the children, He chose not to be.


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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 11:44 AM

186. His job should have been to work his ass off to get three more votes for a pathway to citizenship.

 

Instead he used all of his energy fighting against a pathway to citizenship.

What you are looking at is a clear display of hypocrisy. Not even close to the same person now that he is on the national stage.

At least he is going in the right direction. What's that thing that swings around telling one the direction of the wind? Seems the wind is changing. Glad he is as well.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:50 AM

4. It's not just you, nyhoneybadger.

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:12 AM

6. At least it is in his own state.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:19 AM

8. Oh is that where it is? lol

muriel

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:41 AM

17. It's not you.

He is self-absorbed. I can't believe I used to like this guy.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:13 AM

158. It's not just you.

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Response to njhoneybadger (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 07:08 PM

217. Bernie is about Bernie.

Yes, his stand on several issues is right on, but his ego and stubbornness create problems. His career is marked by an attitude of "my way or the highway." He's a talented advocate but not long on organizing to get things done or compromise.

Witness the organizational progress of the movement he led in 2015-2016. Not much organization, not much progress.

In 2021, he will be 81. No 81-year-old has any business in the Oval Office. But Bernie is fine with that. He'd do much better to support a much younger progressive candidate with political experience and persuade his supporters to back that candidate.

But Bernie's for Bernie.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:47 AM

3. Right....and my first reaction(stupid I know given the poster) was that people don't have to be

 



involved every day at every protest in order to be an ally of said cause, and that putting such pro-bernie spin on him marching for something was absurd....

then I realized after looking at the specific case that....oh you are absurdly putting a negative spin on Sanders. Well then, I say well done. Bravo.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:19 AM

16. "people don't have to be involved every day at every protest" Seriously?

Don't you get how important today's protest was? Or what is at stake here?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:25 PM

46. Did Hillary march? The Obamas? The Bidens?

Chuck or Nancy? I haven't had the chance to keep up with the news this weekend. Thanks.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:42 PM

53. Well, umm, ah hmmm. That's different.! Lol.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:49 PM

56. LOL Of course. I imagine they did not...

or else I would have seen threads first-thing in GD.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:58 PM

92. ah hmmm

This woman was there and she will be running in 2020

Awesome Speech. She spoke for them.





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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #92)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:57 PM

126. She is amazing.

And I will be supporting her.

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Response to Kath2 (Reply #126)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:13 PM

133. She brought me to tears with that speech.

Thanks Kath2.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:34 PM

191. Were minority party leaders Pelosi and Schumer in attendance?

Do they support abolishing ICE? Has the Democratic Party taken an official position?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #191)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:39 PM

193. ...

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Response to betsuni (Reply #193)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:49 PM

199. Is that the official Democratic Party position on abolishing ICE?

" " Crocodile tears? Or just your position?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 08:36 AM

229. As you know, I am a troll paid by David Brock.

So yes, it is the official diabolical Democratic Party position on EVERYTHING. I do what I'm told.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:17 PM

208. Agreed

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:18 PM

103. Cory Booker! We the People.

Running in 2020 as well. Awesome speech.



Liberty and justice for ALL people.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:08 AM

156. Of course!! (Un-freakin-real!!)

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 07:11 PM

218. Big difference - they're not running in 2020.

Biden said last week that he doesn't have the motivation to run.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:10 PM

64. Are they sitting politicians?

I do know my Senators Warren and Markey were there.Markey is also at the border today delivering letters from children in MA.

Off the top,of my head, Julian Castro, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Bob Menendez, DeBlasio....to name a few...all sitting politicians.

Members of the state's all-Democratic congressional delegation were also in attendance. U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren called for the swift reunification of families, and the replacement of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with "something that reflects our morality."

U.S. Sen. Ed Markey told the crowd he is going to the U.S.-Mexico border Sunday, and will bring letters from Massachusetts children to children in the detention centers. Both Warren and Rep. Joe Kennedy III spoke at the rally, too. They both have already recently made trips to the border.

http://www.wbur.org/news/2018/06/30/immigration-rally-boston[/diLove the whataboutism.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:43 PM

74. Don't they know what's at stake, as asked by another below?

Sitting or not sitting... no diff... they still have tremendous influence. Were Chuck and Nancy there, you know, our minority party leaders?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #74)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:06 PM

81. Whataboutism.

Where was Bernie? The man many here say is the voice of the Democratic party. Where was his voice. That Centennial Celebration lasts for a week, he most certainly could have gone another day or at the very least gone to the border with Markey today to deliver letters from VT children to the detainees. Doesn't he, the leader of the Democratic/Independent party know what is at stake?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:18 PM

102. What difference does it make?

Do you not understand the influence the non-sitting have?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #102)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:50 AM

162. No.

Sorry. EXPLAIN to me why Bernie Sanders our outreach chairman and lauded here for that...lauded time and again that he was given the position of outreach went to a parade for himself and not a march for children that our government is holding in cages and concentration camps.

I can't tell you how many times people have held up how important the man is to our party for his outreach title and he left the children alone to cry.

He is just one man and can't do it alone, yet he should have been there. He should have been there too. Marching for their lives.


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #162)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:10 PM

188. Bernie "left the children alone to cry"?

You're out of control.

The parade was for himself? Wrong. The Centennial Celebration was for the people, with (at least) a senator, congressman, and governor in attendance.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #188)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:38 PM

192. LOL

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #188)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 07:07 PM

216. "The parade was for himself?"

Looks like it.





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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #216)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:14 PM

219. Annual Independence Day parade...

not a Bernie Sanders parade he threw for himself. You are really flailing... LOL.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #219)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:29 PM

222. Correction my dear, SMC.

It was a Centennial Parade not an annual Independence day parade. You yourself posted about the 100 floats and the times of the parade's start as to why he could not be at the immigrant children's event for the children seperated from their parents . Did you forget what you had already posted?

Lol...and I am the one flailing?

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SMC22307 (3,542 posts)
188. Bernie "left the children alone to cry"?

You're out of control.

The parade was for himself? Wrong. The Centennial Celebration was for the people, with (at least) a senator, congressman, and governor in attendance.


SMC22307 (3,542 posts)
108. Yes, attending a centennial celebration with his constituents...

is 'self-absorbed.' Do you hear yourselves?


SMC22307 (3,542 posts)
120. The 100-float parade started at 10:40 am...

according to the Newport Facebook page. Do tell how he was supposed to be in two places at the same time.

You're complaining about Bernie. How does that help those poor children in cages?


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #222)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:46 PM

223. Yeah, a certain delightful DUer can pull that off...

but not you, so stop.

Doesn't matter if the parade was Centennial, Independence, Pride, or Gasparilla Pirates... he attended events important to his state, to his constituents. Get back to me when you're as equally poutraged over the Democratic senators and house members who didn't march.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #223)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:08 PM

224. I sad.

SMC22307 (3,543 posts)
223. Yeah, a certain delightful DUer can pull that off...

but not you, so stop.


You hurt my fees~ You do not think I am delightful.



NOT



Doesn't matter if the parade was Centennial, Independence, Pride, or Gasparilla Pirates... he attended events important to his state, to his constituents. Get back to me when you're as equally poutraged over the Democratic senators and members of Congress who didn't march.


Seems strange that on one thread you can not keep his agenda straight. Oh okay, dawn breaks Marblehead ( that is an MA thing) you are only holding DEMOCRATS responsible and not the Independent. We are clear. Got ya.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #224)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:09 PM

225. Did those Democrats "leave the children alone to cry"...

or just Bernie? Can't have it both ways...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #188)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:27 PM

226. I am out of control?

Personal attack.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #162)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 06:55 PM

214. +1000. (nt)

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:12 AM

157. Senator Ron Wyden was at the Portland rally.

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That was pretty cool.

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Response to calimary (Reply #157)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:23 AM

161. Boom.

Another Senator speaking for the caged children, the concentration camps, in the United States of America in 2018.

Thanks, calimary. Some don't think that is all that important. They are just brown after all and per our prez, murderers and thieves at the ripe old age of five.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #161)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:14 PM

206. That shows BOTH of Oregon's senators on the side of the light.

Merkley demonstrated that, earlier, with his attempts to get into those baby jails at the border.

But we knew that about Wyden and Merkley already. They’re very much among the good guys. The whole West Coast is blessed. California and Washington state, too. Not only at the federal level but at the state level. It makes a HUGE difference to have Dems in command.

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Response to calimary (Reply #157)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 06:55 PM

215. A true leader.(nt)

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 03:36 AM

168. His name is Senator Jeff Merkley (not Markey) and he's from Oregon

he is my wonderful senator from oregon !!!! Thanks Jeff.

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #168)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 03:58 AM

169. My Senator from MA is Edward Markey along with Elizabeth Warren

They were at the protest in Boston Ma.

His name is Edward Markey and was at the boarder today delivering letters from MA children to the babies detained.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #169)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:16 AM

179. ....

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #169)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 11:00 AM

184. what a ... what a remarkable co-incidence!! My Sen Merkely went to the border too.

Did you read about him presenting himself at one of the large facilities and being denied to enter and check on the children. He is famous for his demand to see the kids.
we should be proud of our Mark-Merk Senators !!

have a good week she she

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:49 PM

88. Bookmarking. n/t

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:39 AM

145. Hillary Clinton has done more than march. She has collected over one million dollars

to help migrant children. The Obamas and the Bidens are private citizens. Nancy is front and center, very vocal about immigration reform

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #145)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:59 AM

151. 1.5 million! Thanks, Hillary! And everybody who has been vocal about immigration reform.

Almost all hands have been on deck!

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Response to betsuni (Reply #151)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 06:07 AM

172. This is so much like her, betsuni. She has fought her entire life for children and families

she wouldn't just sit quietly and do nothing to help these kids.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #172)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 06:11 AM

173. Yes! The way she's been demonized is obscene.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 05:00 AM

171. None are elected officials at the moment...Sen Sanders is a sitting Senator. I just think with all

of the coverage of the marches...it was jarring to see this...just an ordinary main street parade.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #171)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 02:30 PM

211. What difference does it make, sitting or non-sitting?

They're high profile, influential Democrats. Downthread we learned that since Bernie didn't march, he "left the children alone to cry." Does that hold true for all non-marchers? Or is it just manipulative, guilt-tripping nonsense?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:01 AM

22. There's always a excuse for Bernie, isn't there?

But if Bernie did march yesterday, we’d be hearing about he’s leading the way and marching would have been THE only thing anyone should have done with anyone who didn’t march getting blasted for not taking part because on that day in that moment everyone must participate.

But he didn’t march, so to each his own, right?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:14 AM

24. Always and without fail.

There's always a excuse for Bernie, isn't there?
Always and without fail.

But he didn’t march, so to each his own, right?
That seems to be a predictable pattern in how some try to develop or push the narrative.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:50 PM

57. Always an excuse for Hillary and Obama, too. We need to stop this and work together.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:00 PM

63. Oh Yeah.. What About HILLARY!!!!

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Response to mucifer (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:12 PM

65. They are no longer sitting politicians now are they?

Bernie is. Kamala and Cory were there and they will most likely run in 2020.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:41 AM

146. Hillary has collected over a $ 1 million.5 to help migrant children

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Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:34 AM

180. Hillary and Obama are not sitting Senators or politicians.

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Response to George II (Reply #180)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 02:34 PM

212. So what?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:50 PM

58. Whataboutism.

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Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:40 PM

194. You clearly don't understand what that word means.

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Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:18 PM

68. Your response is in the context of me saying I thought it was silly that somebody was

 

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promoting Sanders as if he were special for marching when other people had sat out, but then realized that wasn't what was being said at all? I at least would not have been among those making a big deal about his participation on one day in contrast to whatever other people were doing that day.

But it sounds like you too, would find both scenarios, not just one of them, unreasonable. Right?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:05 PM

128. always

 

but what can be expected?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:46 PM

198. Yup. People with an certain agenda somehow always find an excuse to single him out. nt

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Response to JCanete (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:27 PM

107. The demonstrations yesterday (more than 700 of them in small towns to large cities) ....

....weren't just any day-in-day-out protests.

It was a national day of protest. Many prominent Democrats spoke out somewhere in the country.

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Response to George II (Reply #107)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:43 PM

196. many prominent democrats did. were all those who didn't mentioned here? Do we feel the same way

 


about all who weren't in attendance?

Should we take the fact that Sanders wasn't there to mean that he isn't in favor of stopping this policy? I mean, he "says" he was in support of these protests and thanked people for attending but that's probably all bullshit.

Had he attended, how many people here would have instead been spouting bullshit about how he was attempting to coopt this movement for his own political agenda? Is there really any winning?

Should we take the lack of Senators at other events that Sanders has attended to assume that they were not in favor of say, stopping the Dakota access pipeline through native american land? Etc Etc? Regardless of their words or other actions?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #196)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:10 PM

205. A few points to consider:

I'm sure those who didn't attend any FamiliesBelongTogether event also didn't show up at any other event with an entourage clad in his campaign t-shirts (look at the photographs in the OP). To him the Centennial celebration was a campaign event.

Had he attended a FamiliesBelongTogether in Vermont (there were several, notably in Burlington, Barre, Rutland, Bennington, and more) how would people "spout bullshit" about him coopting "this movement"? Had he attended on in Los Angeles or Chicago, etc., that might be a valid criticism, but he didn't.

FamiliesBelongTogether was a national event in more than 700 towns and cities across the country, the demonstrations against the Dakota pipeline was in one area of one state. One can't logically compare the two.

Finally, it's been estimated that there are about 6,000 unaccompanied migrant children lost in the system, there are 4,500 residents in Newport, Vermont. Which group should be more important to one of only 100 United States Senators?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 04:50 AM

170. Wow.

The protests were not just a tiny pimple.

JCanete
3. Right....and my first reaction(stupid I know given the poster) was that people don't have to be involved every day at every protest in order to be an ally of said cause, and that putting such pro-bernie spin on him marching for something was absurd....


You have an issue with Randy? He makes great posts every day informing us about the upcoming races and that we may flip one to blue. That is a bad thing?

How is it that you can not understand the depth of suffering of the children and their families ripped apart. There were over 750 protest marches in the US alone. Our friends in other countries that love and respect all people of color and country of origin stood with us. Millions showed up and you just say it was absurd for him to have showed up at said march in Vermont. He showed up for a parade, not a march. The parade celebrated him along with their centennial.

He is no ally and neither are you if you do not understand what this is about.




then I realized after looking at the specific case that....oh you are absurdly putting a negative spin on Sanders. Well then, I say well done. Bravo.


Perhaps you should rethink your post because you really did not look at the specific case. The children are in cages. Some were literaly ripped from their mothers breast. These are human beings ripped apart and children of vulnerable years that will never recover. They have been shipped all over the country without a paper trail on how to reunite them.

You find this absurd and a negative spin on Bernie? Actually as a Senator I find it absurd that he just doesn't give a damn nor do you. Clueless as to the meaning of the march. Clueless.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 12:55 AM

5. Thank Goodness for the those who were able to get out and March for #FamiliesBelongTogether!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:15 AM

7. Is it possible . . . ?

You know, just possible, that Sen. Sanders had committed to this celebration long before the June 30 demonstrations? I'm not saying he could have broken his prior commitment and the people of Newport would have understood, but he may have felt it was more important to honor his previous commitment, confident that the rest of us would carry on without him?

Is it just possible? Or is it more imperative that we tear down an ally who may not be 100% pure, but is nevertheless an ally?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:32 AM

9. Thank you. It's a centennial celebration - a once in 100 years event.

Probably pretty special to the citizens of Newport. And most certainly planned WAY before the whole immigration thing blew up in the past 2 months.

And it is his home state.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:34 AM

10. Slagging on Sanders is a blood sport for some

But holy cow, on a day when millions of people are taking to the streets to oppose this corrupt administration, some folks have nothing better to do than flyspeck Sanders' whereabouts today? Sort of sad, really.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 04:00 AM

15. I know the OP does a lot of reporting on DU.. he's

kept us informed of races and important information all over the country. It's called multi-tasking.

And, it's not as if BSanders hasn't lobbed pot shots at our Democratic Party. But oh yeah.. I can't imagine why Dems wouldn't feel too happy about that.

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:09 PM

129. BS has REPEATEDLY said

 

he is not a democrat, don't want to be one. Until he needs a democrat to vote for him. Then he's all in.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #129)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:12 PM

132. Yeah, I don't really care that he's

not a Dem.. I love our Democratic Party!

heaven

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:53 AM

33. Really. Sad. It never stops.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:06 AM

155. Beyond sad, especially when we should be uniting against our common enemy... but no surprise there.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:28 PM

47. It's almost as if some want to depress turnout.

Why would they do that with midterms in a mere four months?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:52 PM

77. Depress turnout?

In Vermont?

Pretty sure Sanders has this election locked up.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #77)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:58 PM

91. 435 House and 35 Senate...or have you not heard?

Surely DU won't continue to trash Sanders with so much at stake.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #91)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:19 PM

119. Sanders is running for 470 seats?

Damn. I can see why you're concerned about turnout.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #119)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:37 PM

121. I'm not as cavalier about the midterms...

and you shouldn't be either. United, not divided. No moping. All hands on deck. Stop trashing those on our side.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #121)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:12 AM

143. "Our Side"

I thought we were all Democrats here. There is no side. You are one or you are not.

SMC22307
121. I'm not as cavalier about the midterms...


and you shouldn't be either. United, not divided. No moping. All hands on deck. Stop trashing those on our side.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:05 AM

154. What other side could there be?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #154)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:15 AM

159. I am not sure betsuni.

Perhaps I misunderstood, yet you saw it too so it isn't just me.

Hmmm. Our side. Interesting. No. Couldn't be that.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #159)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:20 AM

160. The Mystery of the 'Our Side' Comment.

Will we ever solve it?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #160)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 02:18 AM

164. 2018 perhaps.

Not sure, because I have no clue what a member of Democratic Underground means when they say "our side". We are Democrats.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 11:38 AM

185. What part of that post do you not comprehend?

The midterm elections are dire, and we need EVERYONE to come together under the big tent and vote. Dems, Indies, disaffected Republicans (especially those who realize the tax cuts were a giveaway to the wealthy, etc.).

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #185)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 11:54 AM

187. "Stop trashing those on our side."

What part of that post do you not comprehend?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #187)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:22 PM

189. You too, huh?

I've made it abundantly clear that the midterms are crucial and we need as many votes as possible under the big tent. Turnout is crucial and since, even as Obama has acknowledged, minority and millennial turnout sucks during the midterms, we can't be turning voters off. We've got to bring them to our side to get Democrats in office.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #189)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:30 PM

190. Don't even pretend. I know who you are.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #190)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:45 PM

197. LOL Wow, I'm honored... I've been bookmarked!

I voted for Hillary, but I don't like her or many of her policies. Be a mature adult and live with the fact that many voters don't like her or her policies, yet voted for her because: 1) "D" behind the name and 2) high stakes against the incredibly vile Drumpf and GOP.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #197)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 08:31 AM

228. Not bookmarked. Search engine. You don't think people remember?

"I voted for Hillary" LOL

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #121)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:39 PM

227. Good advise.

Barack Obama supporters outraged by Bernie Sanders' 'deplorable' attack on Democratic Party on anniversary of Martin Luther King assassination




The senator for Vermont appeared to criticise the first black US President as he branded the Democratic Party a "failure".

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure,' said the Vermont Senator.

"People sometimes don't see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy. But beyond that reality..."

Mr Sanders' comments were quickly branded "patronising" and "deplorable".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bernie-sanders-obama-anger-martin-luther-king-death-assassination-jackson-mississippi-a8289456.html


Stop trashing OUR SIDE

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #119)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:19 PM

136. Holding back a lol.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #91)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:25 PM

138. Hmmm...

trashing dems...Hm I wonder.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:18 PM

135. he "slags" on

 

the Democrats and our Party, all the time, more a reverse of what you say. He is just a minor leader of a minor group. Nothing special at all. I didn't really expect him to care about demonstrating for human decency. REALLY.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:06 AM

23. That excuse doesn't fly when applied to other people who don't do something Bernie does

If Bernie had marched, we’d be hearing about how that was THE only thing a politician should have done and pointing out someone had a prior commitment would have gotten nowhere.

People are tired of the “he can do no wrong” double standard, especially as we watch him become more and more self-absorbed and less and less impactful.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:41 PM

51. Lol. Read what you wrote.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:09 PM

116. I read what she wrote and

her analysis has some excellent points.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:21 PM

137. BS is a minor figure

 

on the national political stage. Fading into obscurity quickly, really. By 2020 a person with NO influence on Democrats.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #137)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 06:03 PM

213. I can imagine that was on his mind when he jumped on board the

Democratic ship in 2016.

His political career is in its final years.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:28 PM

108. Yes, attending a centennial celebration with his constituents...

is 'self-absorbed.' Do you hear yourselves?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #108)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 02:41 AM

166. Ignoring the children. It amuses you. You think a parade for ones self is self-absorbed.

Wow!



Frightens me that a member of DU would ROTFL when babies are incarcerated. Over 2000 are in cages, or concentration camps. You find this funny? Babies are crying for their mothers. This amuses you? You love a politician more than a child's life. You excuse all he does because Bernie or something.


Do you even care? No. We see you.

You said our side. Says it all.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:58 AM

182. There are 6000 unaccompanied migrant children lost in the system, 4500 residents of Newport VT

Which was more important on Saturday?

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:36 AM

181. Being torn from one's mother or father is a once in a LIFETIME event! Do you realize....

....there are more children lost in the system than there are residents in Newport, Vermont?

6,000 children unaccounted for
4,500 residents in Newport Vermont

Priorities, folks, priorities.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142088065

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:46 AM

11. Isn't it possible, you know, just possible for him to attend both events?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:13 AM

174. Only if it's "an establishment" leader.....

Because the rules seem to be very different for Senator Sanders, insofar as his supporters are concerned.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:19 AM

20. Thank you. nt

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:22 PM

35. Like someone said,

Always an excuse for Bernie. Always. No matter what.

He is not an ally. Not when it counts. Only when it's easy, or he has an opportunity to be the center of attention.

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 04:36 PM

38. All right

Then slag on him for an actual sin of omission or commission; keeping an obligation he probably made some time ago doesn't really rise to the level of betrayal, in my opinion. The June 30 marches came together quite recently, in just the last several weeks. The Newport Centennial celebration has been planned for months if not years. If Sanders hadn't shown up but gone to one of the Keep Families Together demonstrations instead, I'm confident that he would have been slagged for that, too.

If it doesn't matter what Sanders does in a particular situation, it may not be an occasion for criticizing him. He had to choose one or the other. It doesn't appear that he was the center of attention in Newport, and he probably wouldn't have been the center of attention at one of the KFT demonstrations. This might be one time to give him a pass.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:10 PM

82. The Centennial Celebration in VT goes on for one full week!

A week.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #82)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:48 PM

111. He and Welch (D) were there for the opening...

that's usually how these things work. Is Welch on your list, too?

So much complaining about Bernie being on the road. Complaining about Bernie attending a centennial event with his constituents. What a way to go through life... complaining.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #111)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:05 PM

115. Are you saying he was only there...

and marched and shook hands and handed out hats? What an hour maybe two. Sixty miles,south of him was the march to free immigrant children from cages that had been separated from their moms and dads, some a few months old. They are in cages and fugging concentration camps like the Japanese internment and Nazi Germany and here you sit and explain to me why we are just complaining about Bernie and we are just being mean to Bernie When Children are Being Held In Cages.

Please wake up. Please look around. I am appalled by your response.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #115)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:34 PM

120. The 100-float parade started at 10:40 am...

according to the Newport Facebook page. Do tell how he was supposed to be in two places at the same time.

You're complaining about Bernie. How does that help those poor children in cages?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:51 PM

59. and likely it's part of his JOB!

'They' take EVERY opportunity to try to tear him down, one of the WORST attributes of DU, imo.

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Response to elleng (Reply #59)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:38 PM

141. Oh, please

We all know that if Bernie had joined a march, we would have been treated to several "Once again, Bernie leads the way" threads. And God forbid anyone excuse another politician's failure to participate in a march by saying they had a longstanding commitment to attend an unrelated event in their home state.

You surely know that is the truth.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #141)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:42 PM

142. +1

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:15 PM

67. Read up on their Centennial Celebration.

It is ONE WEEK long. Also there were many marches in VT. One only 60 miles away. He could have attended both if he wished to.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:21 PM

104. Oh well, in that case . . .

Since he showed up for the parade, I guess, what, prolonged torture followed by death by a thousand cuts is in order?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #104)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:34 PM

109. I just posted Kamala Harris and Cory Booker speeches here.

They were amazing. "We are Better than This" "We the People". You should watch them, they are inspiring for all the people...truth and justice. Brought a tear to my eye and glad that they will be running in 2020.

Power to the people power to the people right on!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #67)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:43 PM

122. The Newport kick-off was at 10:40 am...

with a 100-float parade to celebrate an impressive 100 years. Do tell how he was supposed to be in two places at the same time.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #122)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:10 PM

130. OMG OMG

A 100 float parade!

Here was the other parade

My Senators WERE there








Heartbreaking, simply heartbreaking. The babies in those cages are dolls. The ones that trump holds are living breathing human beings, Oh hell they are babies.

Please do me a favor do not bother to answer unless you fully understand the atrocity and can actually comment on it and not your politician.This is 2018 and we herded up children and dumped them in cages all across the US of A without any paperwork to track them to their families.

Please just once show the compassion I know you feel, or at least I hope you do. Trust me, they are coming for the rest of us. it is only an matter of time. 2018 is our only hope right now. Vote as if your life and the future of this planet depends on it, because it does.


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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:16 PM

101. Of course. Thank you.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:09 PM

117. From Newport (extreme northern point of VT) to Brattleboro (almost the southern point of VT)....

....is only a 2-hour drive, with several marches against separating families in between. There were about ten throughout the state. One could easily have attended the Centennial and attended at least one of them.

At least he had the foresight to bring a few dozen of his red campaign t-shirts to the Centennial celebration.

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Response to George II (Reply #117)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:48 PM

124. Newport's kick off was at 10:40 am...

with 100 floats celebrating their 100 years. Most of the marches started at what time... around 10? Do tell how he was to attend both at the same time.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #124)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:12 PM

131. .

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:51 AM

12. Not surprised at all. This is the guy who voted against immigration reform


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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 02:33 AM

13. I've said it before & I'll say it again. Sanders wants credit for doing something re: immigration.

But he really doesn't want to be "seen" doing it. That could be interpreted as practicing "identity politics"...something he has lectured about in the past.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 02:54 AM

14. Very good observation, he's not even subtle

about it anymore.

Sanders is a savvy politician.

He knows what his base wants, and it's not the defense of immigrants.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:30 PM

48. Progressive Vermont...

doesn't want the 'defense of immigrants'?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:53 PM

60. Populism, whether it comes from the Trump-right

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or Bernie-left, is focused upon the needs of the white working class, who generally are xenophobic and nationalistic.

Sanders has decried "identity politics" and is not IMO socially liberal at all, despite his voting record.

note: Sanders is a national politician now, and whatever he does is followed by his national base - which is what I'm referring to, not just his Vermont base. Whatever/wherever he is is designed to appeal to that base.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #60)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:36 PM

73. Sure, that's why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ben Jealous...

embraced Sanders... white working class to the exclusion of others.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #73)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:47 PM

75. Most PoC voted for Hillary

and WoC were her strongest supporters, both in the primaries and general election.

During the primaries Bernie lost badly all over the country wherever there was diversity and PoC, who overall are much more ideologically aligned with Clinton/Obama and their more cosmopolitan 'global village' view of the world than Bernie's heartland populism and economic nationalism.

There are some PoC Berners, but they are the exception not the rule.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:19 PM

69. Check out the video from lunamagica above.

Bernies interview with Lou Dobbs.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210815315#post67

He voted against immigration reform.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:15 PM

207. Right?

 

What the hell is this thread?

We’re now pretending Bernie Sanders is some kind of right-winger?

People have done lost it.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:14 PM

66. Yes! Fits that demographic's concerns about immigrants

taking their jobs. It’s amazing that the people so far removed from the borders are the most concerned about border security. I’ve seen a lot of discussion about that lately and am glad it’s finally being called out by the pundits for what it is.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:49 AM

18. My local dem party marched in a pre 4th of July parade

Scheduled is scheduled. And we had local candidates to support. Guess we must be scum as well

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:32 PM

49. For shame!

(The anti-Sanders contingent never fails to disappoint. Poor dears.)

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:55 AM

19. I'm OK with this. At least it's in Vermont, these are his constituents and he was close with

Tony Pomerleau who had been named Grand Marshall before he died.

http://www.wcax.com/content/news/100-years-in-Newport-487034851.html

I don't have expectations of Bernie at all so I don't really care what he does.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:38 AM

21. I lulz'd

really?

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Response to KG (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:14 AM

25. Again?

Really? How's that working out for you?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:32 AM

26. ...

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:27 PM

70. sounds painful

like a kitty with a fur ball.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:34 AM

27. Every day is Bernie day

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:43 AM

29. Bernie hatred is almost a full time job for some folks.

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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:03 AM

31. Not it's not.

Bernie hatred is almost a full time job for some folks.
Not it's not. This isn't a "Bernie-hate" thread. Valid criticism such as this is a good counterbalance to the unnecessarily exuberant posts that absurdly boast whenever Bernie does the simplest of things Or the posts that exclude all other participants in an event or legislative sponsorship to focus exclusively on Bernie, even though he was just a co-sponsor and even though he was not the keynote speaker... just one of many.

All I'm saying is that if there's actually a "full time job" for "some folks" ... it doesn't involved "Bernie hatred" ... it's quite the opposite. LITERALLY!




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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:46 AM

32. Funny, these same posters were silent when Bernie was on SOTU last week

speaking out against Trump’s immigration policies.

Crickets from these posters when he talks about income inequality or the corrupting influence of big money in elections.

Ocasio-Cortez champions the same causes Bernie does, and she’s a Democratic Socialist as well!

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Response to Bluepinky (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:18 PM

34. And somehow she manages to refrain from smearing fellow Democrats and denigrating the party.

Ocasio-Cortez champions the same causes...
And somehow she manages to refrain from smearing fellow Democrats and denigrating the Democratic party.

she’s a Democratic Socialist as well!
Oh, brother! Actually, she's a member of the Democratic party. She's a Democrat. She ran as a Democrat. The ballot didn't identify her as a "Democratic Socialist". She didn't run to be the nominee of the "Socialist Democratic" party. She's also not an "Independent" who momentarily became a Democrat just to get run as a Democrat, but then decided that she wasn't a Democrat after all. (OMG, You guys are so funny! You totally crack me up!)

Funny, these same posters were silent when Bernie was on SOTU last week


Crickets from these posters when he talks about income inequality or the corrupting influence of big money in elections.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 01:40 PM

36. I don't know what you think is so funny, but I'm glad you can amuse yourself.

Bernie was on SOTU last Sunday and was criticizing Trump’s immigration policies.

Ocasio-Cortez has referred to herself as a Democratic Socialist, she champions the same causes as Sanders.

You can laugh if you want, but both of the above are still facts. Not sure why you and others are angry and still posting anti-Bernie messages, you should move on.

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Response to Bluepinky (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 03:47 PM

37. Yet she's still an actual Democrat...

Yet she's still an actual Democrat who manages to refrain from shitting on the Democratic party and insulting Democratic leaders and candidates.

Not sure why you and others are so overly sensitive to legitimate and deserved criticism of Bernie. Just because someone tells the truth and isn't heaping praise and adoration on him is no reason to call them Bernie haters or anti Bernie.

All I'm trying to say is that I think you should move on... and those who denigrate and attack the Democratic party should move on.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:04 PM

42. Okay

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:16 PM

134. Well Said, Jackie!!!

Teach IT, Jackie Girl!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:35 PM

140. Refraining from shitting on the Democratic party and insulting Dem leaders and candidates

isn't difficult. See! Alexandria never took the bait during interviews, was positive and upbeat. That's the way to unify and get people to feel we can change things together. If only Bernie would do so. it really isn't too much to ask. I don't know why some people can't understand this.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:24 AM

144. I love parades!



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Response to Bluepinky (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:47 PM

54. They can't stand that he's right.

The UN recently blasted the United States over income inequality.... something Bernie's been doing for a VERY long time. The anti-Sanders contingent should focus their anger toward the fact that poor Alabamans have been reduced to creating exposed PVC raw sewage pipes, rather than poutrage over Bernie.

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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 04:45 PM

39. Where are the threads reporting on the activities of the 47 Democratic Senators yesterday?

Was every one of them at a march?

Why pick on just Bernie if it isn't criticism focused only on him? Could there be a double standard here?

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 05:48 PM

41. ...

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:18 PM

44. It's sad how some people are unable to move on.

Aren’t we supposed to be on the same side?

Bernie isn’t perfect, but in the last election, he brought a lot of people to our side who wouldn’t ordinarily have voted for a non-Republican. We have to keep people engaged enough to vote, and people like Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez can do that.

It’s time to stop fighting each other and to start winning every election.


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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:06 PM

43. Ah yup.

 

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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:46 PM

87. I keep hearing that criticism should be considered

only when it's Hillary?

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Response to treestar (Reply #87)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:54 PM

90. We were told that holding feet to the fire and constructive criticism makes a candidate

stronger. Since Bernie has been anointed as the frontrunner in the next election, we're only trying to help make him a better candidate! Why would anybody be upset at the suggestion that it would help his optics to attend a Families Belong Together protest? Jeez, no good deed goes unpunished...

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Response to betsuni (Reply #90)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:59 AM

230. exactly!

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Response to democrank (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:56 AM

150. All competing for the coveted Bernie Basher of the Year Award @the annual "Slammie Awards" dinner...

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:54 AM

30. To be fair, there were only 10 Families Belong Together Marches in Vermont,

and the closest one was pretty far away from the Newport parade.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:33 PM

72. Maybe only one location had those Bernie shirts...? nt

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:51 PM

76. Red is such as interesting color choice.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #76)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:35 PM

110. Indeed! Hopefully one would not want to be confused with those

who think they are Great. You are right -- someone had to choose the red color over something like blue, for instance.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:22 PM

45. Where did Hillary March and/or get arrested?

I haven't been online much this weekend. Any high profile Dems out there yesterday? Pelosi? Schumer?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:48 PM

55. I suspect you won't get an answer

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:53 PM

61. Goodness gracious, don't they know what's at stake?

Where WAS everyone?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:31 PM

71. I answered you above.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #83)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:16 PM

84. He's had skin cancer. He should be careful.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #84)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:14 AM

175. Yep. Since the Democratic Convention at least. (nt)

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:51 PM

89. Why would an answer be warranted? Why bring up Clinton.....

....surely no one here is re-fighting the primary, are they?

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Response to George II (Reply #89)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:02 PM

93. The stakes are so high... all hands on deck!

Sitting, not sitting... Pelosi, Schumer, the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens, etc.!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #93)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:09 PM

96. I still don't get it. This is a discussion about what Sanders did yesterday. So why....

....bring in those politicians, especially since four of the six are not active any longer (in fact one never was in office)?

There are 49 members of the Democratic Senate caucus, about 190 Democratic representatives. Why not mention any of them?



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Response to George II (Reply #96)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:13 PM

99. High-profile Dems have been mentioned...

did you miss that? Stakes are high... all hands on deck!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #93)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:15 PM

118. So, if the stakes are so high (as you've noted several times in this thread).....

.....why wasn't.........

Oh, never mind!

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Response to George II (Reply #118)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:43 PM

123. Almost all hands on deck, I guess.

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Response to George II (Reply #118)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 10:50 PM

125. Clinton? Obamas? Bidens? Chuck and Nancy?

Good questions, George...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #125)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:00 PM

127. I can guarantee that whatever all of them did, at least six (seven if you pluralize Clinton).....

...didn't use their appearances yesterday as a campaign event.

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Response to George II (Reply #127)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:29 PM

139. I guess you're helping Bernie with his campaigning, then.

The first I heard of his appearance at a rally yesterday was from people on DU criticizing him today. Thanks for helping to keep him in the news! Glad you and others are behind him now!

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #55)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:15 PM

100. Hillary? Pelosi? Schumer? Biden? Obamas?

You mean ... The Establishment?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #100)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:53 PM

113. Stakes are high! All hands on deck!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #113)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:56 AM

149. That 1.5 million Hillary raised for civil rights organizations to help migrant families

will make a difference. Thanks Hillary, for using the fundraising skills of Teh Establishment and thanks to everyone who donated! Almost all hands have been on deck!

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #55)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:04 AM

153. Hillary has done more than march. She has collected over a $ 1 million.5 to help migrant children

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:01 PM

79. She raised $120,000 to reunite families.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #79)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:08 PM

95. Excellent!

How awesome it would have been to see her marching in an "I Care" shirt. Nice jab at Melanoma...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #45)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:43 PM

86. What does what Hillary Clinton did yesterday have to do with a discussion of where Sanders was?

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Response to George II (Reply #86)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:05 PM

94. The stakes are high, George...

all Democratic hands on deck!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:44 AM

147. Hillary has done more than march. She has collected over a $ 1 million.5 to help migrant children

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:34 PM

50. and the butthurt rages on ...

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:41 PM

52. Does everything have to be turned into

a proxy war for the 2016 Democratic primaries. Give the anti-Bernie crap a rest..there's more important things to complain about.

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Response to choie (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:01 AM

152. Yes, some just can't resist a chance to bash Bernie... really sad!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 06:56 PM

62. LOL, I saw Newport and thought he was here in California

again. He was just here recently in Anaheim in support of the workers at Disneyland. He can certainly travel all over.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:52 PM

112. He can. And back to Vermont for a centennial event...

two years in the making. Hope I have that kind of energy when I'm his age.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #112)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:54 PM

114. He can also prioritize which events are good for his political

message and then only choose those locations to travel to. There are so many options!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 07:57 PM

78. oh FFS

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:21 PM

85. Was Hillary there?

Bill? Obama? Nancy, Chuck?

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #85)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:10 PM

98. None of those were in Newport, Vermont.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #85)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:52 AM

148. Hillary has done more than march. She has collected over a $ 1 million.5 to help migrant children

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #148)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:42 PM

195. So the answer is "No". Thanks. nt

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #195)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:52 PM

200. ...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #200)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:59 PM

202. Sorry, there is nothing funny about what's happening. Nothing at all

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #202)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:44 PM

210. This thread is.

Learn to separate the two. Double standards, guilt tripping, refusal to discuss official Democratic Party stances... it's got it all.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #195)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:57 PM

201. The answer is that she is doing more as a private citizen to help these children than somer elected

officials who only think about themselves and their careers and can't see beyond their own inrerests

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #201)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:59 PM

203. The OP was about attending a march, wasn't it?

Bernie gets singled out for not attending it, apparently.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #203)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:23 PM

209. Sanders is seen by many as the front-runner for 2020 and an influencial leader

that's why people notice.

Why Hillary was even dragged into this thread when she is a private citizen? The thread is not about her

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:09 PM

97. I see NOTHING wrong with this, it just a poor job of a callout.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:24 PM

105. Thank for showing that Bernie was on the job today.


And thank you, Bernie, for keeping on.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2018, 09:27 PM

106. Sounds like he had been invited ahead of time and had made a commitment.

I went to a march and rally and the times were fairly limited, they were not all day and they were not everywhere (I had to travel from the fairly large Calif. suburb I live in). You can't be everywhere at once. Making a commitment means having them schedule security, transportation, etc. for that day. That's budgeted in. I have worked in the public sector.

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Response to torius (Reply #106)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 02:34 AM

165. I agree. A centennial celebration is a big deal - once in a century.

One of our local cities had one and it was huge. If he committed many months ago it would be wrong to his constituents to back out.

He can raise his voice in other ways, as he has done on this issue and others. The parade was not about himself, but about honoring his prior commitment to help a town in his district at a major commemorative event.

I expect we'll hear Senator Sanders speaking out more for these immigrant families in coming days; at least I hope so.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:50 AM

163. Sorry Bernie....

but I am disabled and isolated because I cannot afford a vehicle as I live on social security and can barely make ends meet. I don't have the money you make as a senator.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:17 AM

176. He's got an election to think about. Parades are voter candy for candidates.

Like being photographed eating local food - and not something you can just drop because there is a nationwide social justice protest going on.... a savvy candidate prioritizes being the focus of cheering crowds.

Even the most "anti-establishment" career politicians follow the establishment conventional wisdom when it comes to hugging babies and waving to cheering crowds amongst American flags. Photos of you in the middle of in a huge crowd full of social justice activists just don't do the job. One needs to be the focus of attention if the photo op is going to work - and those cheers have the bonus of reinforcing the self-esteem and confidence of the politician. Unless you are being featured in a parade for a social justice cause, or speaking at a podium, participating social justice protest doesn't bestow the maximum ROI of an ambitious candidates' limited time. And energy.

But I can't help but wonder if Hillary would be given the same love and defense for skipping out of a nationwide rally for a parade from the same people here on DU if she had done the same as a Senator... or if it would have been presented as "proof" she was no real advocate for social justice issues.


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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:37 AM

177. Bernie gets bashed by people like you for running around the country too much and ignoring VT

And when he lives up to a local commitment, much to the evident delight of his constituents, this is your OP.

It’s really pathetic.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #177)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:31 AM

183. Every Bernie thread

seems to be taken over by those who live on stomach acid and bile. I find it sad.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:39 AM

178. Robin Kelly did

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:03 PM

204. Had he marched, then right now he'd be crapped on here for doing that. nt

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #204)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:21 PM

220. Yep.

Such hypocrisy.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:22 PM

221. This is lame

I'm sure we can find dozens of DEM Senators and Reps who will be campaigning at home for the next many months at events you find not important while protests are going on. Are you going to chide them too?

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