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JI7
(93,615 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)The area in which she grew up is nothing like the area that she now represents----is the ridiculous point of the article.
JI7
(93,615 posts)class where she lives now ?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It’s a place for strivers alright.
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lapucelle
(21,061 posts)When her parents bought the home in Westchester, they kept the condo in Parkchester as well.
https://www.nybits.com/apartments/1525_unionport_rd_bx.html
Beartracks
(14,591 posts)... any Democrat with this kind of smear attempt REGARDLESS of skin color.
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whathehell
(30,468 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 2, 2018, 08:57 AM - Edit history (1)
to realize it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)
democrank
(12,597 posts)She probably won't need any political consultants to help her decide what she stands for.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)
populistdriven
(5,717 posts)of a losing team's strategy late in a basketball game where they are repeatedly lobbing (and missing) three point attempts.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)This is a cancer that has metastasized in our country. It didn't end with Trump's "election."
certainot
(9,090 posts)mocking accentuated latin flair he uses when he wants to signal his racism
forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)the Bigot's got to Bigot. Newsmax =Trump TV. So much honest reporting,you think.
appalachiablue
(44,022 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)
Oneironaut
(6,299 posts)Are these people serious?
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)He expected slums? What a dick.
bucolic_frolic
(55,133 posts)Hasn't he called it FAKE NEWS yet?
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Yeah, I can TOTALLY see why someone so young found their way into Kennedy's staff. She's got *it* too.
demmiblue
(39,719 posts)Bettie
(19,704 posts)she responds, truthfully and quickly.
That is something others in our party could take away from this.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)from the photo. It doesn't look particularly special.
Both her parents worked, her mother as a cleaning woman, so they could live in a place with better schools.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/nyregion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-bio-profile.html
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s mother was born in Puerto Rico. Her late father, Sergio Ocasio, an architect, was born in the Bronx. The family lived in Parkchester, a planned community of mid-rise buildings, in the same apartment where Ms. Ocasio-Cortez now lives, until Alexandria was about 5, when they moved an hour north to a modest two-bedroom house on a quiet street in Yorktown Heights, a suburb in Westchester County, in search of better schools.
At Yorktown High School, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was a serious science student and won second place in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in 2007. She presented her project, on the anti-aging effect of antioxidants in roundworms, to the town board of education, her science teacher Michael Blueglass said.
“One of the administrators wasn’t there at the beginning and came in after she started, and he said to the superintendent, ‘What company is she from?’” Mr. Blueglass recalled. “The superintendent said, ‘She’s a 17-year-old senior in our high school.’ She presented herself, verbally, visually, everything, as if she was a 30-year-old professional presenter businesswoman even though she was 17 years old.”
melman
(7,681 posts)Completely neutralized this smear attempt in one tweet. That's how you do it.
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)...in Westchester county which is mostly very wealthy. So Yorktown, while nice, was most definitely not **that** nice - Westchester is loaded with multi-million dollar homes these days, and Yorktown has very few homes costing over a million. In fact, it has plenty (mostly?) costing under $500K.
It also had a lot of IBMers from the local TJ Watson research facility in town....where Robert Mercer used to work before he became a billionaire late in life working for Renaissance Technologies.
So, Rebekah (Bekah) and Jennifer (Jenji) Mercer went to Yorktown High School as well - I graduated with Jenji and Rebekah was the year after I was 
- they were regular middle class people when I knew them. They were both very smart top of the class types and genuine intellectuals who were very quiet, studious, and did what they were told.
Dan Scavino was a couple years after Bekah from Yorktown - he was definitely not the top of the class type. He probably should be a plumber or something today, but he somehow became tr*mp's golf caddy and kissed his ass sufficiently well, so he is where he is now. People who knew him (including staunch liberals from Yorktown who are the minority sadly) said he was a really nice guy in high school, but that is all water under the bridge now as he is complete scum clearly. Bekah never would hav associated ith Scavino during high school as she was the type who didn't talk to too many people not in honors classes.
The last person from my school - Dierdre Delaney - she was a couple years older than I was and voted most beautiful in her class (she was). I don't know her political persuasions, but she has contributed to the right wing by providing them motivating symbols of the white wing culture that inspires MAGAts and other flyover country rednecks - she and her husband created Duck Dynasty.
I'm glad to see someone from my high school do something worthy for once!
BeyondGeography
(41,101 posts)It was where people mostly from the city with not a lot of money could afford to buy a house in Westchester. Never lost that character.
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)We were a bit off of route 132.
BeyondGeography
(41,101 posts)Me and my buddies had the run of the place. It was fun.
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)
George II
(67,782 posts)paleotn
(22,212 posts)It's a nice, decent house. 1100 sq feet, maybe? Maybe less. Nothing to write home about. So I really don't get the slime ball's point. I'm not familiar at all with that area, but around here that's what passes for a normal, everyday, middle / working class house. A family in these parts, living in a house like that, outside of scholarships, loans and financial aid, would doubtfully have the financial horsepower to send their kids to Davidson, Vanderbilt or Duke, much less the Ivys. The hack's whole premise seems rather stupid. Then again, this is Nutmax we're talking about.
trof
(54,274 posts)2 br, 1 ba?
Certainly not a McMansion.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)if it is updated...very nice area, but so what? The assumption that she is from a bad area because her skin is not white like their's is just out and out prejudice-screw them. BU is a great school and considered ivy league in the New England area and beyond I am sure...smart woman.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Decades ago for lower income and working class types no longer are .
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)and fancier.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Yorktown is a town that has a population of about 36,000 and is 38 square miles. It is 91% white and 6% Hispanic/Latino. The median home price is $424,000.
Yorktown Heights is a community within the town of Yorktown, it has a population of 8,000 people (a subset of Yorktown) and is less than one square mile. The median home price is $469,000.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)but not in NY -- and way less than other people here are guessing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905247/Girl-Bronx-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-actually-grew-wealthy-Westchester-County.html
The home, a single-story with a finished basement, most recently sold for $355,000 in 2016.
tulipsandroses
(8,251 posts)For about the same price-
They turned around and bought -3 houses in GA in 2010 with that money. Just like Alexandria's mother, My mother also cleaned floors and worked as a hotel housekeeper. My dad worked 2 and 3 jobs to keep us in that damn house. He worked in the " engineering department " in hotels and country clubs for rich folks. He was one of the the people you call to fix whatever you think is bothering you in your room, your light bulbs, bumpy mattress, etc. He worked security, he worked as a plumber's apprentice. They are retired now. They live in one of the houses they bought, and others are rental properties.
Anyhoo - For a 350,000 house - It was in a working class neighborhood- that I lived in. Nothing special. - Not the hood - Not the Suburbs- Just working class folks. But still struggling working class folks - just working hard to make a better life for their families. My family was typical of most families in our neighborhood. I have not lived in NY for the last 11 years. I doubt much has changed since I left. Its interesting that one has to defend their upbringing. I guess as minorities, we are not supposed to have nice things. Eff outta here with that bullshit! And if you have nice things, you are not supposed to recognize injustice, racism, and want fair wages, etc, etc. It really should not have taken 3 jobs to keep a roof over his family's head but my dad did what he had to do. - Just like many parents are doing today. Lets not continue their false narrative.
George II
(67,782 posts)....a more "affluent" area of the Town of Yorktown.
It doesn't matter, but it seems that some of what has been said about her background is a bit exaggerated.
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)Lots of cops, firefighters, and teachers. The IBMers had a bit more, but were not rich. My parents were teachers in nyc. I lived in 10598!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)His uncle was pretty rich and lived somewhere around there before moving to New Canaan Connecticut...hubs Mom and Dad were not rich and lived in apartments in the Bronx and Queens. You can look it up in realtor..com...I lived in Connecticut but had friends all over that area.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I know Westchester County. I grew up right next door (High School at least) and live for some years in Ridgefield Connecticut right next door. My Mom worked as a nurse at Mt. Kisco Hospital.Dad was an engineer and worked in the City. I went to UCONN. Hubs was born in the Bronx, went to Mount St. Michael High School and Manhattan College. His parents were Irish immigrants. His Dad owned a local bar. I know the area and still have friends and family there.
melman
(7,681 posts)No it's not. The term 'Ivy League' refers to a specific group of schools. BU isn't one of them
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)school. It is a bigger school so accepted more kids and yes...it is not Ivy although we considered it Ivy or just about I guess is a better way to put it, but it is very prestigious...an excellent school. It was many kids first choice where I graduated from High School (Ridgefield Connecticut)..smart kids went to BU.
melman
(7,681 posts)Grew up in New Canaan, CT. Have lived in Boston. Now back in CT - BU is not considered Ivy League.
Yes it's a good school but that's not the point. The point is that the Newsmax guy used that term for a specific reason. And it's false.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Look not arguing about BU. I am aware that it is not Ivy...league but we considered it very prestigious ... and as good as getting into any of the IVY's...how about one step below? I didn't read the Newsmax article because I don't read Newsmax right wing shit...so I was only commenting on the area which I know quite well...I made no comment on any article. I didn't even see a link. Westchester in general is very expensive. I couldn't afford it as a young married...and it is worse now. Hell I couldn't afford Rockland or Orange then and that was less.
melman
(7,681 posts)The Newsmax guy's tweet is in the first post. You must have seen that.
That's what this whole thread is about: His tweet and her response. You didn't see that?
So appreciate your posts in this thread.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I though Newsmax has written an article.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)BU is not Ivy League, it's one of "The Big Ones" in Boston (Northeastern and Boston College the others) unlike say, Fisher or Emerson, but Ivy League is Ivy League. There's a reason why the Zuckerberg character trashes it in "The Social Network" to get across that Ivy League elitism that it's an "easy" school.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)It's a good school but no one I knew ever thought of BU as comparable to Ivy league.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Her house was a 2-bedroom (just like the house my widowed mother lived in for many years). The houses on Zillow that are selling for $400,000 to 600,000 are considerably larger. That house might sell for as much as $350,000 in Yorktown by my estimation.
I love to study the real estate market, just a hobby, even though I can't buy into it. I even go to open houses on the weekends when I can just because I like to look at houses. In LA that house might sell for $600,000, but based on Zillow it would sell for less in Yorktown. That's my guess.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Yorktown-Heights-Yorktown-NY/pmf,pf_pt/58427171_zpid/43174_rid/globalrelevanceex_sort/41.330485,-73.753881,41.272194,-73.872328_rect/12_zm/
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Of course, it may be worth more now as my friends have not sold their homes...condos go for over $200,000 or even more if decent. I prefer realtor.com rather than zillow. I sold my house and am waiting to move and they still have my house as active...It is a very nice area though. I would love to live there.
When hubs worked in Tarrytown New York years ago we could afford nothing and ended up moving to PA. We looked in Westchester, where Yorktown is located and it is very expensive...always was. We also looked in Rockland and Orange County. My son had been born with VSD...Ventral Septal Defect (heart defect healed spontaneously) and could not go to daycare so I left my job. We moved out to PA near Port Jervis New York and hubs drove an hour to work...went over the Bear Mountain bridge in the dead of winter;you couldn't pay me to do that now...we were young and invincible of course.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)house in Yorktown for the price you suggested?
Because I did not find one. Most of the houses there now are larger, and proportionately less expensive. Please provide a link.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I never claimed to know the house or how much it is worth to the dollar...fail to understand why it even matters...it is in Westchester county New York... one of the most expensive place in New Your outside of Manhattan...I gave you a range and said it was a nice place. which it is.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Two bedrooms $325,000.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)seen many like it. And oh...$325,000 makes it so much cheaper...really...years ago it was mostly farms but now is a bedroom community to New York...one of the more affordable places Westchester County but still expensive. I am sick of this this discussion anyway...Westchester Country has good schools and is a great place to live. Yorktown is particularly nice because they have green space and lots of things to do but is still affordable by Westchester Country standards. The taxes are very high too which adds to any mortgage. The house you sent had taxes of $8,000.00 plus. Consider what that would cost a month even with 20% down...it is a nice place. I don't get what you are saying so why not just come out and say whatever it is you have to say about this subject. I don't think where you live matters anyway.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)I know because we bought our house 30 years ago. It's small, and we wouldn't be able to afford it on today's wages.
It is very unfair for someone to try to depict another person as "rich" and therefore "phony" just because she once lived in a house that is now worth a lot more money than it was when her family lived there.
I do not mean to hurt your feelings. I know you are just writing from your experience, but we have to rebut right-wing-put-down propaganda when we know it is a lie. So I'm not so much responding to you as to the right-wing-put-down author of the Tweet.
Forgive me if you feel insulted.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Yet you fail to see why it even matters.....this thread is hilarious!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)BU is a fine school and I admire anyone who went there...have to be smart. And unless you have rich parents you need scholarships. I don't get the fuss. What does it matter where this candidate came from...she is an admirable young woman who surprised many with by winning a primary no one -including me- thought she had a chance to win. Now I don't like OR or Sarandon...but that has nothing to do with the candidate herself. I wish her well.
Even a shack in Westchester Country is expensive and that house doesn't look like a shack...as some pointed out not a mansion but looks nice. Why is that a problem? Good for her parents; I have always bumped up in price for a house in a good school district-even when I worked a second job to do so. That is what a good parent does. I seriously don't get the point of this thread...I was merely commenting on the area which I am familiar with...The rest of it I don't care about. It is not where you come from, but who you become that matters.
chesterslick
(33 posts)"Now I don't like OR or Sarandon...but that has nothing to do with the candidate herself"
... I suspect she would disagree with you! She was endorsed by OR for embracing common progressive issues; issues that are solely predicated upon what will benefit common citizens. It in fact has everything to do with her candidacy.
"It is not where you come from, but who you become that matters."
... Beautiful sentiment, but increasingly unobtainable. One of her core messages is that where you come from does matter (limiting your outcomes and increasing social stratification).
George II
(67,782 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)It is a great school.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)No one thought of BU as being comparable to the Ivy League.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I've lived in Rhode Island my whole life and went to college in Boston. It is not Ivy League. Just a "big" school. I have never heard anyone associate it with the Ivy League and of they do they get corrected quick.
ornotna
(11,480 posts)Said no one ever. LOL.
regnaD kciN
(27,639 posts)First off, the "Ivy League" isn't some vague concept of top-level schools. It's a specific athletic conference, not unlike the SEC or Pac-12, with very distinct membership: "Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, University of Pennsylvania, and Yale." You're either a member of the league or you're not. You're no more "considered to be virtually Ivy League" than you can be "a little bit pregnant."
Second, although BU isn't exactly an academic doormat, it's just a large middling institution in the middle of a hotbed of academic excellence, waaaaaay off the top, even among schools in the Boston area. You've got Harvard/Radcliffe, Tufts, Brandeis, and M.I.T. Then you've got Boston College, then B.U., then Northeastern. In the pecking order of schools in that immediate area, B.U. is pretty far down, more a "safety school" for those who can't get into any of the schools above it than anything else.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)She spent her first five years in not-so-nice apartment building, and her family lost this Yorktown house when she was in college and her dad died. While they had the house, they were dependent on their mother's second income as a cleaning lady.
She did NOT lead a life of privilege.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)It wasn't a fancy house when she lived in it and it isn't now either -- just a little 2 bedroom.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905247/Girl-Bronx-Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-actually-grew-wealthy-Westchester-County.html
The home, a single-story with a finished basement, most recently sold for $355,000 in 2016.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...in fact I thought it was and checked before I commented here.
It's an easy thing to confuse.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Brown IS Ivy League. But that's not where she went.
And no one calls Brown "BU".
Lucky Luciano
(11,863 posts)My childhood home is 600k on Zillow (parents sold for 160k 20 years ago partly because it was in bad shape and is now pristine). My home was a corner lot with 2400 sq feet. Her house was much smaller.
msongs
(73,752 posts)
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...
sheshe2
(97,622 posts)She is a newbie and has to learn the ropes and make contact and build a working relationship with other members. You don't just proceed to the head of that table. You have to earn it and that takes some time, she has plenty as she is only 28. She has her whole career ahead of her. She can shine.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)bigtree
(94,261 posts)...but tenure is certainly not one of the requirements.
I don't think you even need to be in Congress to hold the position.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/11/can_anyone_be_speaker_of_the_house.html
(I think Nancy would win it, hands down. I don't see any value in discouraging a run for the job, wouldn't hurt the party any more than the Tim Ryan run. I like the challenges from the younger members.
chesterslick
(33 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Sheesh.
I think Alexandria is AMAZING. And I think she's a natural political talent and I look forward to great things from her in the future..
But that job requires experience well beyond what she has.
You have to know ALL the arcane rules and how to use them to your advantage.
You have to know ALL the people in Congress and how to appeal to them most successfully.
You have to know how bills and resolutions are put together and what to do with them and when.
You have to know about the budget and how it works.
You have to know quite a bit about bills that have already been passed and have been on the books for eons, or just weeks.
And much much more I don't even know about.
And it's probably helpful if you know where the bathroom and cafeteria are.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
sheshe2
(97,622 posts)Also that for a touch of levity in these dark times.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Alexandria's first election speaks for itself.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)How's Trump doing with no experience in how the 3 branches of gvt works, the Constitution, diplomacy, immgration, DOJ's proper role and place, intl trade, climate change, etc.? Now he doesn't WANT to learn, but even if he did, he'd make a bunch of mistakes because of zero experience.
Or, how would you like to have brain surgery by an intern fresh out of med school?
Or, if you'd been framed for murder, do you really want an inexperienced lawyer fresh from the bar exam?
I think Alexandria's fabulous, but you'd be throwing her to the wolves to put her in such a position.
But it's all just speculation -- IF she wins (and I believe there's little way she won't), the 248 or more other Dems wouldn't vote for such a thing.
Oh, and about her first election: She has a knack for messaging, I think, and for being very politic. In addition, she won the old-fashioned way: 1-1/2 solid years knocking on doors. So while I give her props, and think (and hope) she and others like her are the future of the party, it wasn't exactly rocket science.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)AND she's right on SO many progressive issues. So, no, I don't agree with you that she would do a worse job.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)Experience doesn't ALWAYS translate into results, but in the case of leading the Democratic Party in the House and being responsible for pushing the legislative agenda, it is Super Important.
The Speaker of the House has to know and understand the legislative process, the ins and outs of the committee process, and they have to have or be able to very quickly form trusting relationships with not only their party members but with the Republicans to work on areas where they can do some bi-partisan work.
You can't compare winning an election to running the House.
Given her obvious talents and brains, she will likely get there one day, but she needs to learn the ropes first and build her standing in the House before going for the top spot.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)The Clerk of the House of Representatives is a life long career position (usually they and everyone who works with them has been doing this stuff for many many years). The current Clerk is Karen L. Haas and she's held the position for the better part of a decade off and on. A Speaker (or a Representative) will also have an assistant that handles most of that stuff and have their own paralegals and other lawyer types as advisers.
Obviously though I wouldn't say she could be the Speaker, because more than arcane rules and knowing the budget and such, you need connections. Quite literally years long connections with other congresspeople that you've made over a long period of time. They have to trust you and you have to be able to sit down with them and tell them that a given controversial vote isn't going to cost them their seat.
The kinds of quite, silent room deals that a Speaker has to do is simply beyond anyone new to DC, that is without a doubt.
JI7
(93,615 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)One needs the support of one's peers, and if they don't know how you will do, they aren't going to stick you in that position....
I think we've had enough of political rookies running things.
Don't you?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)because they know best who understands the position, and who will be the most effective doing the job of Speaker.
In any case, she hasn't won the seat yet...
Perhaps someday you can be a rep, and you can choose.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)She hasn't won the seat yet? Again, just my opinion that the Democratic nominee in a Democratic District, who just overthrew the #4 Democrat in the House who had an 18-to-1 money advantage, is a lock to win... that's just my opinion, but you're entitled to your contrary view.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That's not a "contrary view," that's a statement of reality.
Yours is an opinion. Good that you recognize that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)or presenting a "contrarian view," if it doesn't support your opinions.
Facts aren't "viewpoints" and "veiwpoints" don't = "facts" - as we keep trying to point out to the flat earthers.
Everyone can 'hope' for anything. That doesn't mean that it's going to happen, and telling someone that it might not isn't "being contrarian" or "trying to prevent it from happening," or "hating on someone," or "neoliberal."
That's something that apparently some people on DU need to be reminded of sometimes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)I had no idea... and all this time, I thought the earth WAS flat, and thought hope WAS all you needed to make things happen, and Alexandria had ALREADY won her 2018 election. I now understand... thanks for enlightening me.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Democratic representatives elect a rookie to lead them in the House.
Saying that one hasn't happened, and the other is highly unlikely, no matter how much you yourself support it isn't "contrarian."
It's based in fact. And yes, people here on DU have accused me of "hating on politicians," of trying to "kill any momentum" when I point out that a given simplistic answer to a complicated problem really not based in an understanding of real life consequences, no matter who has promised it.
I think that we should be putting our energy into working towards the possible, and not disparage someone who points out what is not likely in the real world for harshing someone elses' buzz. Just because people cheerlead for something doesn't make it inevitable, and when it doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that it was prevented by nefarious or corrupt actors.
Sometimes it's just math. Sometimes it's a lack of understanding on the part of the cheerleaders of the full situation.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)That doesn't call for condescending lectures about "flat earthers" and stating the obvious that hoping doesn't make wishes come true, while noting the "fact" that Alexandria hasn't been elected to anything yet. And water is wet... so what?!
If, however, stating the obvious, over and over again, makes you feel better, great, keep going... if, however, you have a contrary opinion and believe Alexandria WON'T be elected in November - btw, I never accused you of hating her, but it's fine if you do - you're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I stated that the chances of a rookie being elected speaker or even minority leader are nil. That's an "opinion," but then again, so is a prediction that there aren't any liberal nominees on DOTUS' SCOTUS nominee list...
I see we have resorted to passive aggressive false accusations. No surprise there.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Wow, the things you have to spell out for people here.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Please, let's remember she garnered 16,000 votes in that primary...Crowley got even less so he lost...she won. But this was not a big election, only a little over 11% of those eligible voted. So what that means is that 219,000 registered Dems in the Bronx and Queens did not vote. There are approx 36,000 registered Republicans in 14th district who could turn out. So do the math. she needs to secure more votes if she wants a victory.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)managing hundreds of people.
No new representative would do a good job.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)Clearly, as someone who supported Bernie Sanders for President, I don't have a problem with a relative outsider seeking high office. But Bernie knew the players personally, even if he wasn't always on the exact same page as all of them. He also knew the system well. A Speaker of the House has to lean on personal relationships as much as on knowledge of the rules to hold a caucus together. I give very high marks from what I have seen to Osacio-Cortez for her political skills. Now (after she is elected in the Fall) she will be able to start building those relationships. Maybe by her second term she could be added at a low rung to the House leadership team. Even that would be extremely rapid advancement. I think she's great but she needs time to gain experience and forge critical bonds with other elected Democrats.
ehrnst
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It's not a good trend.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Why is it OK to throw older women overboard? This is unacceptable. I realize many are excited by her, and that's great, but not at the expense of women who have literally fought the fight to be taken seriously.
Uncle Joe
(65,134 posts)
Thanks for the thread bigtree.
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democrank
(12,597 posts)D.C. focus-grouped talking points.
RandySF
(84,263 posts)But Brown people lived there, so it's the lap of luxury.
JI7
(93,615 posts)Of privilege for a white person ?
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)
Excellent observation
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Got into BU and made something of herself. I wonder what John Cardillo did with the built-in advantages of his life? Toiled and sweated to get a wingnut welfare sinecure where he spends his time and dubious talent trying to tear down people who've done better than him. Mama must be so proud of you, John.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)not the other way around, as some here have condescendingly advised.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)a family can afford a house in Yorktown Heights more easily than the Bronx, where they would likely have to live in an apartment.
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JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Example - She should not try to strip Senator Duckworth of her identity, honor, dedication and most important - KNOWING her former district and CURRENT state. I will defend this young woman to anyone but I have every expectation that she doesn't dismiss the thoughts, life experience, duty to country, commitment to the Constitution that Tammy Duckworth brings.
And - yes - I'm writing her a handwritten note about this.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...and got a response.
New York congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D) responded to Sen. Tammy Duckworth’s (D-Ill.) claim that policies "too far to the left" can’t win in Midwestern states.
“With respect to the Senator, strong, clear advocacy for working class Americans isn’t just for the Bronx,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a tweet on Sunday.
Link to tweet
“We then lost several of those states in the general,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “What’s the plan to prevent a repeat?”
...Tapper asked Duckworth if the young candidate represents the future of the Democratic Party.
"I think it's the future of the party in the Bronx, where she is,” Duckworth said.
THAT is one incredible fucking comment from Duckworth. Hell of a welcome to the party. This is the blind side of a ruling class. There was absolutely no need to try and marginalize this candidate, before she even achieves office.
What does this say to people energized by this candidacy to show up at the polls? I'm not understanding this at all, except as a pitiful defense from a party which should be fighting to push back republican conservatism, not just sidle up against it and expect it to go away.
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Had to genuflect to AOC.
I'm with Tammy on this.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...she didn't just say it to AOC, she said it to this young, hopefully upcoming candidate and liberal voters.
God help liberal voters in the Midwest. Duckworth's dead set that representing their interests and concerns are only for candidates and voters in the Bronx.
...Tapper asked Duckworth if the young candidate represents the future of the Democratic Party.
"I think it's the future of the party in the Bronx, where she is,” Duckworth said.
“With respect to the Senator, strong, clear advocacy for working class Americans isn’t just for the Bronx,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a tweet on Sunday
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)It was the TRUTH.
She said nothing wrong.
Would you have preferred Duckworth tell a lie to herself and everyone else?
I'll tell you what - Tom Malinowski is going to win and it will be a BIGGER win for the party. It will be a FLIPPED district.
I bet he gets better committee assignments than AOC.
George II
(67,782 posts)1. The 14th Congressional District spans both the Bronx and Queens, 75% of the voters in the primary and presumably the General Election are in Queens, yet in her comments Ms. Ocasio-Cortez seem to center around only the 25% in the Bronx. What about those in Queens?
2. She asks, "We then lost several of those states in the general,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “What’s the plan to prevent a repeat?”
She is running for election in NYC, what is HER "plan to prevent a repeat", and does she understand just why the Democrats lost some of those states?
3. I think Tammy Duckworth knows a little bit more about her constituency, the Midwest, and their concerns.
One other point, in the primary last week only about 11% of the registered Democrats in the district. Inasmuch as she got 57% of the votes, she received the votes of a mere 6% of those eligible to vote in the primary last week.
I think she should be more concerned with winning in November than sparring with someone with the legislative and life experience of Senator Tammy Duckworth.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...we can assume Ocasio-Cortez's response stands for Queens, as well.
Duckworth should also be concerned with Ocasio-Cortez winning. Attacking emerging Democratic candidates; basically telling her to keep her 'liberal' politics in the Bronx, is a piss poor appeal to voters. It's little more than an excuse by Duckworth for why her politics leans to the discredited and unprincipled right.
God help liberals in her state. Duckworth says their politics is more suitable to the Bronx.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was long and detailed. All that Ocasio-Cortez addressed was a single sentence taken out of the context of the question and interview.
As a matter of fact, about 15 minutes ago CNN played Duckworth's entire response. It wasn't the way it was portrayed in that tweet from her.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...to claim as the poster did, that Ocasio-Cortez was trying to define Duckworth or whatever nonsense, is just not supported by anything.
Ocasio-Cortez properly defined her own politics as relevant to the rest of the country.
Duckworth defined her as 'liberal' and went on to disassociate herself from her own rhetorical invention.
George II
(67,782 posts)Here is the interchange regarding Ocasio-Cortez. Where is the "attack"? If anything the AOC tweet was an "attack" or at least had an edgy tone to it.
TAPPER: There were obviously a lot of shockwaves in the Democratic Party Tuesday night, when 28-year-old Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated the fourth-ranking Democrat in the House, Joe Crowley, has a platform of Medicare for all, federal jobs guarantee, free college tuition.
Is this the future of the Democratic Party?
DUCKWORTH: I think it's the future of the party in the Bronx, where she is.
I think that we, as legislators, need to listen to our constituency and get out there. I think what she did was, she did the hard work. She pounded the pavement, and she was out there talking to every one of her constituents. And I think that was the difference.
She turned out her voters and reflected the needs of her district.
TAPPER: Are you concerned at all that your party is going too far to the left to either win in the midterms or win back the White House?
DUCKWORTH: Well, I think that you can't win the White House without the Midwest. And I don't think that you can go too far to the left and still win the Midwest.
Coming from a Midwestern state, I think you need to be able to talk to the Industrial Midwest. You need to listen to the people there in order to win an election nationwide.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Why doesn't he ever ask if the Republicans are going too far right?
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Among the majority of his viewers that they are actually American Hutus and Nazis.
That's my guess. The average 45/140 voter isn't watching CNN in the middle of the day.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...and imagine Duckworth isn't saying Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is too liberal 'far left' for the Democratic party.
Then I'm going to pretend that the center of politics isn't tilted so far right as to be indistinguishable for most voters from republicans.
Oh yeah. I see it now. Everything's just fine here. Toodles.
George II
(67,782 posts)....in the Midwest, and then she proceeded to complement her for her campaign.
Then AOC defensively and snarkily pointed out that Sanders "won" in Michigan, Minnesota, Kansas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Indiana.
You can read that transcript and the tweet it generated any way you want, but Duckworth didn't attack her. More likely it was the other way around.
Toodles!
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...that wouldn't appeal to the "Industrial Midwest?'
Looks to me that Duckworth invented a caricature of Ocasio-Cortez's politics to push off of.
Cha
(319,067 posts)"DUCKWORTH: I think it's a future of the party in the Bronx where she is. I think that we as legislators needs to listen to our constituency and get out there. I think what she did, she did the hard work and pounded the pavement and she was out there talking to everyone about constituents and I think that was a difference. She turned out voters and reflected the needs of her district
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/07/tapper-asks-duckworth-if-democrats-are
I respect Senator Tammy Duckworth's opinion.. she's earned it.
Link to tweet
I can't even tell you what all I think of OAC trying to Refight the Primaries with Senator Tammy Duckworth.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and I truly admire how she showed up to march on Saturday...
Cha
(319,067 posts)snip//
WASHINGTON (CNN) - With her infant daughter in tow, Democratic Sen. Tammy Duckworth visited female activists in a Capitol Hill Senate building who are protesting the administration's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy
"I wanted to show my support for the folks here today," Duckworth, who gave birth to her second child in April, told CNN in an interview after she visited with protesters. "I could only imagine what it would be like to have my daughter -- my breastfeeding child -- ripped away from me the way some of these other moms' babies have been."
http://www.kyma.com/news/politics/about-100-people-arrested-in-immigration-protest-at-capitol-hill/760416227
Beautiful pic at link of "Activists flood Senate office building"
And.. A pic of Tammy and her baby daughter at the Protest @ this link..
The Illinois Democrat protested the Trump Administration's border practices with her two-month daughter strapped to her chest.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/zm8aay/senator-tammy-duckworth-and-infant-join-immigration-protests-in-dc
Mahalo, Me.. for reminding me of that! 
George II
(67,782 posts)Here's what she said, exactly:
"I don't think that you can go too far to the left and still win the Midwest."
That isn't an insult or offensive. It is 100% true. Unfortunately some try to project a truthful statement by a Midwestern politician to be a slight against a politician in New York City.
We can also turn Tammy's statement around, "I don't think that you can go too far to the right and still win New York City"! Is that an insult directed toward Senator Duckworth? Not at all, and I'm sure she wouldn't take it as an insult, just a practical observation of regional politics.
Cha
(319,067 posts)to the purists in the Midwest.
Tammy Duckworth spoke the TRUTH and she's getting excoriated for the TRUTH!! Damn!
"That isn't an insult or offensive. It is 100% true. Unfortunately some try to project a truthful statement by a Midwestern politician to be a slight against a politician in New York City."
Yes, and said politician tries to then re-fight the primaries with Sen Duckworth.
Thank You! You're righteously standing up for the FACTS from Senator TD 
radius777
(3,921 posts)ie cosmopolitan-left rather than the populist-left of AOC/Bernie/Stein types (who do fit the midwest/rural areas that lean towards nationalism and populism, whether from the Trump-right or Bernie-left).
Hillary crushed Bernie in diverse and metro areas, and Bernie beat Hillary in most rural and white areas.
I agree w/Duckworth's (what i think is her underlying) sentiment, AOC is more of a Berniecrat than a Democrat.
George II
(67,782 posts)...and combined 65-35. That was with a combined turnout of 35%. Last week's turnout was only 11%.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)HRC won every congressional district in NYC and every district in its suburban counties Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, and Rockland.
http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/elections/2016/Primary/DemocraticPresPrimaryResults.pdf
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)She was on point.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...she was wrong.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that was "wrong" or "insulting"?
Apparently no one here sees the same thing you do. I guess we need some guidance.
Thanks!
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...I've answered that several times throughout the thread.
I'm not going to spend one minute more trying to explain again.
Don't be too sanguine about the fact that no one else bothered to spend time defending against the strawman Gen raised. She hijacked the thread for her ad hominem attack on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She used the same tactic as Duckworth of misrepresenting the woman's politics, and had the temerity to define Ocasio-Cortez's defense of herself as an attack on Duckworth.
You jumping in the middle of it was just the cherry on top of the shit sundae she dropped in this inspiring thread.
I'm absolutely done with this.
George II
(67,782 posts)....to "prove" that she was offensive.
Here is EXACTLY what Duckworth said (again) in response to Jake Tapper's questions:
TAPPER: There were obviously a lot of shockwaves in the Democratic Party Tuesday night, when 28-year-old Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated the fourth-ranking Democrat in the House, Joe Crowley, has a platform of Medicare for all, federal jobs guarantee, free college tuition.
Is this the future of the Democratic Party?
DUCKWORTH: I think it's the future of the party in the Bronx, where she is. (true statement, just as Duckworth is clearly the future of the Democratic Party in Illinois and the midwest)
I think that we, as legislators, need to listen to our constituency and get out there. I think what she did was, she did the hard work. She pounded the pavement, and she was out there talking to every one of her constituents. And I think that was the difference. (nothing but COMPLIMENTS for AOC!)
She turned out her voters and reflected the needs of her district. (Ditto)
TAPPER: Are you concerned at all that your party is going too far to the left to either win in the midterms or win back the White House?
DUCKWORTH: Well, I think that you can't win the White House without the Midwest. And I don't think that you can go too far to the left and still win the Midwest.
Coming from a Midwestern state, I think you need to be able to talk to the Industrial Midwest. You need to listen to the people there in order to win an election nationwide.
Where are the insults? What did she say that is WRONG?
I grew up in New York City (mostly Queens in the next district over from the 14th) and I lived in the Midwest for a while when I was younger. Everything that Tammy Duckworth was 100% correct, and she did it without subjective comments about Cortez.
So, again please, how is anything that Duckworth said insulting, offensive, or wrong? I think I know what the perceived problem with her is, but I certainly won't say it here.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...my answer is all throughout this thread.
Maybe you can just accept that you disagree, and move on. Or is this the part where you start one of the DU shame-a-thons?
Cha
(319,067 posts)Here's an article from last night that substantiates Sen Duckworth's logic on this matter..
snip//
"What about those other 19 primaries, where the establishment Democrat won? There are a lot more congressional battlegrounds in that group, 11 in total, including 5 true tossups."
But the stories this week about the surprising power of the left side of the party may have overstated the case a bit.
Going by the numbers, it’s the establishment wing of the Democratic Party that is having a good 2018. And, more important, it’s having a good year in the places that matter most this November
More..
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/bernie-sanders-backed-nominees-score-wins-longshot-races-n888071
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10822252
George II
(67,782 posts)The point is that someone like Elizabeth Warren can win in Massachusetts, but would be slaughtered in a state like Alabama or Mississippi.
It's a fact of life. I've been involved in politics for a long time, and I don't wear blinders when it comes to ideology and the ability to win elections. And if a politician doesn't win his/her election, he/she could have the best ideas and policy positions in the country, but won't accomplish anything by having to sit on the sidelines after the election.
Cha
(319,067 posts)winning in "places that matter the most".. makes that point well.
Right.. Senator Warren wouldn't have won in the formerly red District in PA.. that Conor Lamb won, either.
It's only logical.. it's been going on all year.. and that's what Senator Tammy Duckworth was saying.
George II
(67,782 posts)....also tell us how Duckworth "misrepresented" the woman's politics. You haven't done that yet.
The cold hard fact is that the politics of a district in NYC spread over the South Bronx and Northern Queens (where I grew up) is entirely different from the politics of the Midwest, i.e. Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, etc. Duckworth was just pointing that out, without being insulting or subjective.
An example I gave elsewhere is that Elizabeth Warren won her election for Senate relatively easily in Massachusetts. Do you really think she'd win in a red state like Alabama or Mississippi?
Duckworth was being honest, practical, and sensible, and did it without "insult" or being offensive. Can you show us specifically (i.e., not vaguely or throuhg innuendo) otherwise?
Have a great evening!
George II
(67,782 posts)....what Senator Tammy Duckworth said.
This is twice you've used the tired old "sea lion" accusation, care to explain THAT too? My guess is you won't.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)supposed to mean?
George II
(67,782 posts)bigtree
(94,261 posts)...on any level.
It's been revealed as a sham ideology, at least as far as American conservative politicians are concerned.
I must have missed the attacks on Lamb from national party leaders for being 'too conservative.'
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Both A PC and lamb offered well crafted beliefs to grab voters.
Cha
(319,067 posts)ACA.
Conor Lamb decisively won the health care vote in the Pennsylvania special election, and they broke hard toward the Democrat.
Health care was a top issue for 52 percent of voters
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/14/17120692/conor-lamb-pennsylvania-special-election-health-care-voxcare
Cha
(319,067 posts)DUCKWORTH: I think it's a future of the party in the Bronx where she is. I think that we as legislators needs to listen to our constituency and get out there. I think what she did, she did the hard work and pounded the pavement and she was out there talking to everyone about constituents and I think that was a difference. She turned out voters and reflected the needs of her district
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/07/tapper-asks-duckworth-if-democrats-are
I was not impressed with OAC refighting the damn primaries.
Tammy Duckworth was totally on point.. Thank You, Gen
heaven05
(18,124 posts) JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)I generally don't like to get too detailed with the Our Revolution folks at DU because they are so gung how about knocking down good people who are ON THEIR SIDE. *smdh*
4) Don't worry about anything other than your district. Jois and Jacob lost on the same exact platform, just an hour away from you.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...Ocasio-Cortez properly defended her politics against the attack.
The person you want to write a letter to attacked an emerging candidate on national television, basically telling her she was too liberal for her state. Ocasio-Cortez didn't tell Duckworth what to do in her state. She said her defense of the working-class was as relevant around the country, as in her own district. The broad brush attack on Ocasio-Cortez's liberalism was uncalled for and alienating in an election year. Does Duckworth speak for the rest of the nation, as well? I don't think she does.
If that's your kind of politics, so be it. But don't feel all satisfied labeling people who disagree with you as 'our revolution' or whatever cause you think you can marginalize or ridicule here. I'm just a Democratic voter who works the night shift at a retail store. Try talking to (about) folks here (and in the party) like they're individuals with opinions of their own, instead of whatever political caricature you can invent.
George II
(67,782 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)She told the truth - she is too liberal for her state.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...maybe they can move to the Bronx to find representation. 
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I wish those folks would accept that there are many factions in our TENT. Some have clout and major influence. Many should accept their leadership and faction is minor in influence. Helpful, but minor in clout.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)She is a mixed race woman. Her father lost his job, and the family lost their home.
Senator Duckworth lost much more than that when she served in the military and was grievously wounded. She is proud to have served, as is her husband.
I find my Senator's response realistic and diplomatic. Get out of here with your ruling class BS.
I don't want this young woman, AOC, to become so cocky that the republicans go full bore to defeat and smear her. She has not won anything yet. And when she does, she will have to work with experienced reps who have seniority. She will get some very poor committee assignments if she does not try to work with others.
Energized people who showed up at the polls? This was a very low turnout election.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...single out a word and define it to suit your invented outrage.
NONE of that biography insulates her from criticism. Nothing I said came anywhere near to denigrating any of that, so stuff the attempt to make this about her race or anything other than what I have said in this thread.
I don't have any personal animus against Duckworth. I wish her well in her job. I don't know if you or any of the people who think she's the subject of this thread (or are working to make it so) realize this, but she has nothing to do with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's very fine statement in the op.
This is some sort of sick attempt to distract from or diminish that.
But hey, thanks for jumping on the shit pile.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)In fact, I liked the OP. The unjustified criticism of my Senator is what caused me to respond.
Duckworth knows her region and her state. She knows her constituents, and I would stand by her. A single word? Words matter. And I think Duckworth's words were exactly right when she was asked her opinion.
There is no sick attempt and don't you dare accuse me of anything of the sort.
Duckworth knows and understands Midwestern voters. I have known her for a long time and seen her in action. The first time I met her, she was working at explaining the needs of veterans. That was when she was head of the Illinois Department of Veterans affairs. She was the keynote speaker at the Illinois Democratic Women's convention. She was speaking one-on-one to mostly male representative who had attended. I stayed back and did not interrupt while she spoke about the need to do more about head injuries to our veterans.
The type of Congress person we need here in the Midwest is represented by Cheri Bustos of the 17th District. She is another person I have gotten to know well. Her area has a lot of union and blue collar workers, but she still has to work hard to stay in office. Her district went very narrowly for trump. Cheri runs periodic workshops called Build the Bench. She is active in training new, young Democratic candidates. Cheri knows and understands Midwestern voters, too. I'm sorry if we are not pure enough for you. Cheri was mentored by Dick Durbin.
We are doing a lot here in Illinois to turn the tide. Pardon me if I stop replying to you. I have a busy afternoon. I will be continuing a canvas with local candidates. One is Amy Davis, who is running for the 90th District state rep. We will also be advocating for David Simpson, who is running for the state senate.
I put my time and money to use for Democrats. I will criticize the newbie who needs some guidance, and I will defend my Senator. I hope you will be going out and doing some work to elect Democrats, too. Message boards might help us learn, but they don't GOTV.
On July 5th, I will be helping our Democratic county chair and a field rep from Pritzker's campaign go over voter lists to recruit more precinct committeeman. I am helping because I have been an activist in my community for about forty years. What will you be doing on that day? I hope it is something to GOTV.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)..why mention race at all? No one said a word about it and here you are giving this passionate defense of Duckworth.
She's just fine and dandy. It's this young woman she smeared as 'far left', and tried to define outside of whatever she believes the people of your state want, that needs and deserves support here.
Ocasio-Cortez didn't "try to strip Senator Duckworth of her identity, honor, dedication," as the poster who originally tried to derail this thread charged. That's what you signed on to here. Let's pretend the sitting senator is under attack, instead of this emerging candidate the subject of marginalization and scorn.
What exactly is it about Ocasio-Cortez's economic policies that is wrong for what Duckworth defines in her dismissal as the "Industrial Midwest?"
Or is this just about pushing off of this caricature of the 'far left,' like Duckworth did in her interview. Are there no liberals in your state?
There isn't a wit of harm done in this thread to Duckworth, outside of the ridiculous attempt to lace this inflammatory and provably false charge with Ocasio-Cortez's fine words. That's not my doing. It's a strawman, it's an unbelievable attack on this young candidate, and it's a reprehensible diversion (deliberate on the original responders part) to divert from this thread.
But, wade right in, why don't you.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Righteously Standing Up for Your Tried and True Senator Tammy Duckworth. 
Woman!
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...what prominent Democrat is attacking her?
Gen came onto this thread, which contained this epic quote, and tried to turn this young candidate's words against her for some supposed slight of Duckworth.
Here's the quote in the op, since it appears you ignored it.
"Your attempt to strip me of my family, my story, my home, and my identity is exemplary of how scared you are of the power of all four of those things."
It's directed at the Newsmax right-wing hack, not Duckworth.
Osario-Cortez was also defending HERSELF in the instance the original thread disruptor tried to exploit. She didn't insult Duckworth in any way and hijacking this thread to raise that strawman is despicable.
here's her response:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @Ocasio2018
With respect to the Senator, strong, clear advocacy for working class Americans isn’t just for the Bronx.
Sen. Sanders won:
- Michigan
- Minnesota
- Kansas
- Nebraska
- Wisconsin
- Indiana
We then lost several of those states in the general. What’s the plan to prevent a repeat?
Ocasio-Cortez was clearly defending HERSELF, defining HERSELF, not attacking Duckworth.
Here you are, Cha, on a thread which should inspire us to treat this young candidate with more respect, helping these posters distract from this thread with this nonsense about Duckworth.
DUCKWORTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, except for this back and forth about a clearly false charge.
THIS is what you jumped in the middle of Cha:
Ocasio-Cortez didn't "try to strip Senator Duckworth of her identity, honor, dedication," as the poster who originally tried to derail this thread charged. That's what I was responding to. That's what you joined in on. Here you are, joining in with others trying to make this thread about Duckworth.
Is there no shame taking over this thread for this bull?
All of this cheerleading for Duckworth. No one is attacking her. I'm defending Ocasio-Cortez against Gen's false charge. Duckworth is fine.
Ocasio-Cortez did nothing but define herself apart from Duckworth's characterization. She didn't threaten her seat. Duckworth's seat isn't even at issue here.
All of this piling on and cheerleading is a stick in my eye. I didn't post this thread to fight a phony battle between Ocasio-Cortez and Duckworth.
Maybe I'll visit one of your threads and pile on about some completely unrelated issue. I'll even use a quote you admire and turn it on the subject just to make my point. Then I'll pop around your thread joyfully poking at you with the rest of the thread disruptors. See how you like that, huh? Would that be fine with you? You seem to have no problem helping disrupt mine.
You try and do something nice on the internet and people come out of the woodwork to trash it. Thanks a lot. Just made my day having you join in here.
Cha
(319,067 posts)Muriel, George, and Gen.
...this thread has nothing to do with Tammy Duckworth.
I've advocated for the party here for years, as many know well. I've also expressed support for Duckworth over the years. I'm not a Sanders supporter, or 'Our Revolution.' as Gen tried to 'smear' me with.
I don't deserve this hazing for expressing my opinion. It's not smearing, it's an opinion I gave after being provoked by Gen. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Go play this game somewhere else. It's disgusting to find you helping to disrupt this thread along with Muriel, George, and Gen. One of them stalked me to another thread and baited me there. I don't know what the game is here, but it's a real eye-opener.
I don't think I'll miss seeing any of your posts again.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)try to think about it. Where she is, that's it. Not all that you're trying to infer she has influence over. Her influence early on in Congress will be minimal. The last election showed that being resentful, childish and immature can cost the country big time. Those who sat out? We wouldn't be trying to throw out a sitting traitorous potus. Cortez just better line up with our Party period.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)no surprise. And you do write a lot of it, so I take your word for it. Minor faction with a very minor leader under a very large tent. You're funny
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I hope she stays loyal to our Party but that is in doubt rubbing shoulders with a Sarandon. Says a lot and she didn't have to say a word
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...hoped that Sarandon photo thing would get more traction here, didya?
Sarandon smear fail.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)gained the traction by the time I posted. 
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...you won't find a lot of appetite for using Sarandon as a wedge here, except for a sad thread or two dancing around it.
It doesn't have the same *pow* here that it does posted on the numerous right-wing sites around the internet.
I encourage you to start one of your own, instead of coming here for me to swat your sad posts around.
you got your numbers from where? Exaggeration is a truth killer. I am just one speaking up about the Sarandons Steins, Johnsons. All remind me a another election theft....Ralph Nader 2000 along with the SOS of Florida and the Supremacist Court of the NPA aka GOP. So the Sarandon's Steins, Putins, Johnson's all combined to steal this last 2016 election to install thr tyrant trump.
This is well known and Cortez, bless her enthusiasm, stands with Sarandon, skinning and grinning. No excuse will do. But your world is your world, have at it.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...and you're all alone here. 
Go start your own thread on it, or admit this photo of yours isn't worth the gibberish you're spamming this thread with.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)here or elsewhere. Project much? You have a good one. I'm done with you and democrats that are democrats in name only and until the election is over. Cortez should NOT have been cozing up to a traitor to our Party liker Sarandon. Trump is potus partially because of all mentioned in election theft 2016. And you just have to deal with the truth or don't. I could care less. I wish Cortez success in her political career. She should learn about 'fellow travelers', though, and show some loyalty to those democrats who helped her win her first big victory
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...thanks for kicking it. 
heaven05
(18,124 posts)For the Democratic Party and our candidates. The divisive nature of your comments about another Democrat, Sen. Duckworth, keeps our party in disarray and provides propaganda and diversion tactics/strategies for our political enemies. I have never set out an election because my primary candidate didn't win. Many, many did in the 2016 general or the wasted their vote. They are alone on this thread and in our Party. Just hope the whiny babies will vote STRAIGHT ticket in November.
Having illusions of grandeur sometimes help, but the bubble pops sooner or later, hopefully it won't hurt badly. Alone? No.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...doing a damn good job keeping it alive and at the top of the page.
I may have misjudged your worth on this thread.
Go on, let the wider DU experience some of this 'missionary' work you're doing for the party. Take your photo, make a separate thread of it, and see how many folks here you can get to play your wedge politics.
Should have dawned on you by now that very few here interested in anything so banal and boring.
Share out your pic of Sarandon.
Use this one, as well, missionary:
heaven05
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people just aren't wasting time on you. I'm retired and love dealing with you. 
Many others talk privately. One of the reasons WE lost in 2016 is because???..... Have a good one. Stein-trump-putin is another. Please, understand, I love my Party blemishes and all. I have fought with Democrats since 68. LOYALTY is important. It is missing in certain sectors and SMALL factions under our Party BIG TENT. LOYALTY. Missionary? No. Loyal to our Party's ideals both realized and unrealized. Yes. My points about disloyalty have been made by those photos of those who helped trump win.
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bigtree
(94,261 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 7, 2018, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)
...because you know you'd be slammed.
What you're doing here, disrupting this thread, trying to use the Sarandon pic as a wedge on a Democratic board isn't 'Democratic.' It's banal, boring, and divisive.
But I think you already know this.
Let me remind you, one more time. You are all alone in pushing this nonsense on this thread. Your effort here is admittedly, deliberately harassing. Nothing I've done here deserves any of this, but you're now admitting it's directed at me, personally.
I'm left to wonder what kind of values you really represent in all of this. Bragging about how 'Democratic' you are while demanding 'loyalty' in caps has to be your crowning achievement on this thread.
Did you even read the op?? Take heed, missionary:
"Your attempt to strip me of my family, my story, my home, and my identity is exemplary of how scared you are of the power of all four of those things."
heaven05
(18,124 posts)anyone can "slam" me anytime they choose. Cortez is a Democrat. She will grow, politically, hopefully.
Just don't want to hear anything about BS in any respect. Period. Nothing personal just political. Thousands of BS people who sat out this election helped give us trump. Period. No ifs, ands or buts about it. You can owe your loyalty to anything you please, your right. I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. Period. She likes BS. BS has never done anything for me. I hope Cortez grows out out of any infatuation with BS. Period.
I did read the OP. I also read about her and Sen. Duckworth.
You go right ahead and do what you must do. Nothing personal here. And I have no need to "take heed". And I am not harassing, I am just responding to you. There is a difference you know. I hope you learn it.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)proven senators like Sen. Duckworth. She is also a vet who made a personal sacrifice while serving in the Army. It's not about you. Period. I see where I really am starting to realize things about this thread. Missionary, you better believe I have that zeal for the right people to get elected that will truly help all american citizens and much more care. It's not about you.
I like that we can start be getting young, fresh people in office who can attack problems with new workable strategies. A Harris, Booker, they represent the future of our Party.
It is not about you. Please don't take yourself so seriously. I don't.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...which is her absolute right to define herself.
Duckworth's injuries don't insulate her from criticism, and they don't render people she speaks about mute. I think she would be the first one to say so.
You, on the other hand, have no excuse at all for this godawful mess of posts. I really believe you need to engage more Duers on this, not just skulk around behind the scenes on this thread. That would make it more convincing (not really, but who knows) than just badgering and lecturing this 57 yr-old black man like you have some dominion over me.
And, ffs missionary, god save those candidates you listed if this is how you plan to support them.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I am pretty open in my criticisms. This 70 year old does not want dominion, just trying to work out some political disagreement. That is it. Have a good one. I am done. Not too "gawdawful".
murielm99
(32,988 posts)of AOC with Sarandon.
I don't see Tammy Duckworth having her picture taken with this divisive woman.
betsuni
(29,077 posts) This is a place for Democrats. bigtree
(94,261 posts)...this is not a thread about Susan Sarandon.
This poster has been 'all alone' trying to disrupt this thread with divisive bullshit for two days.
Go on and join in. I think it's despicable to use this thread for their divisive nonsense, but if you feel some kind of solidarity with all of that, be my guest.
This type of divisive attack, using the pic of Sarandon and AOC as a wedge between Democrats, is a popular feature on right-wing blogs. I can't imagine it's a popular query here at DU, but you never know. I wouldn't think so, given that this place was Sanders central during the primary, but what do I know.
For the life of me, I can't understand the viciousness of some, coming onto this thread, with the inspiring quote by AOC in the op, and try and disrupt it. If that's your idea of 'a place for Democrats' you aren't going to find me a willing or compliant participant.
Take a closer look at what you're defending here.
betsuni
(29,077 posts)bigtree
(94,261 posts)...do you support disrupting this thread with this nonsense, or not?
You came on here all in my shit, but I'm not disrupting anyone's thread. I'm not shopping around divisive pics of Hillary and Kissinger, so I don't have a clue wtf you're talking about.
Does ANY of what you're doing here have a thing to do with the op? Because, if not, you're just another person trying to disrupt this thread, especially if you're joining in and supporting the poster you responded to with such sympathy and concern.
They thought they could use that pic as a cudgel here, not in an open thread, but here in the shadows. Not against AOC, but against people who might support her. Subversive shit, not only the work the right-wing blogs who are actively doing the same (fucking check it, it's true), but true rat-fucking, if I ever witnessed it.
If you think it's a good idea to promote a pic of AOC and Sarandon, do it, but start your own damn thread. This is disrespectful and harassing.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)My mom, myself, my brother, and my sister lived in a 1 bedroom house. My great grandma across the street, also, had a one bedroom house. All the other housed were older, but nice 3-4 bedrooms. I was like her. Girl's got moxie, I like that. I saw were someone was showing McMansions her hometown town. We have them in my hometown, didn't change anything for us.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)Texas is electing two amazing Latinas to Congress this year. Both are amazing and have actual experience in government https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-latina-congresswoman_us_5a9f56b5e4b0e9381c1353c9
Democrats Veronica Escobar, running for her party’s nomination in Texas’ 16th Congressional District, and Sylvia Garcia, running in the state’s 29th, were tracking well ahead of competitors in their races late Tuesday. While many votes are yet to be counted, whoever secures the party’s nomination is likely to head to Congress, as both districts lean heavily blue.
Any candidate who secures 50 percent of the vote in a Texas primary secures the party’s nomination, but if no one wins a majority, the top two candidates will head to a runoff on May 22.
The Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman noted that both Escobar and Garcia were likely to avoid such runoffs and said that if either secured a win on Tuesday, it’s likely they’ll win in Democratic-leaning El Paso (the 16th District) and Houston (the 29th). He pointed out that either election would make history, as no Latina had ever been sent to Congress from the state.
I personally know Senator Garcia and she will have a clear impact on Congress
melman
(7,681 posts)But why are you posting it in this thread? This thread is about something else and those articles are from March.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)But why post that in thread about someone else? If you're really that proud start a thread about it.
sheshe2
(97,622 posts)I am thrilled at all the strong women that are running. They are the future of our party, I find it most appropriate to have the women of Texas posted here as well. I applaud them all. I know you do as well.
I have to thank you for supporting the bold and bright women that are speaking out. It feels so good.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)Senator Garcia was very effective in Texas.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)Both of these ladies are amazing and will make a clear difference in the House https://www.vibe.com/2018/03/texas-history-latina-congresswoman/
Based on the polls, Escobar is projected to take home the Democratic nomination to represent the state’s 16th Congressional District—winning a reported 60 percent of the votes.
“WE DID IT!! I’m so honored to be your Democratic nominee, El Paso!,” she wrote on Facebook. “We’re going to make history by electing the first Tejana to Congress in November, and I couldn’t have done it without all of you!”
Garcia who represents Texas’s 29th Congressional district, which makes up the Houston area, also won an estimated 60 percent of democratic votes during the race.
“We know that representation matters and that taking the first step to election our first Latina for Congress is not just a milestone but a step for generations to come,” she told The Houston Chronicle. “This was for Latinos who for too long have sat on the political sidelines while the president sits in the White House blaming all of our problems on immigrants.”
Senator Garcia is in a district that is mainly Latino and African American. Gene Green used to represent this district but was challenged in 2016 by the former Sheriff Adrian Garcia. Gene retired and now we will have an amazing lady representing the Houston area.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)strip them of their identity? If so you should post that part because at this point you just seem to be spamming this thread with irrelevant posts. I know this is a public forum and people post as they want, but it is impolite, at best, to post information unrelated to the OP over and over.
Gothmog
(179,847 posts)Both won in minority majority districts due to the demographics. Senator Garcia's district in a gerrymandered minority majority district that was represented by Congressman Gene Green for over 20 years. In 2016, Gene was challenged by a Latina. Gene won but saw the writing on the wall and retired. Crowley did not see this coming.
Demographics are important.
Here is Senator Garcia with Gene
Link to tweet
It will be interesting to see who passes more legislation when they get to congress.
vi5
(13,305 posts)Which doesn't surprise me in the least:
"Progressives should not be like Bernie! They should register as Democrats and run within the party if they want to change things! Primaries are where we try to make changes, then we should all come together as Democrats."
*Progressive runs in a primary and wins*
"Oh, no not like that. We didn't mean that. I hope nobody gets the wrong idea!! She doesn't represent the party. "
Although I actually wonder how long it's going to be before we get our first fundraising emails/letters/calls/etc. from the party that will use AOC's name/victory to get $$$$$$.
George II
(67,782 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)...or downplaying her victory as just being part of "demographics" or pointed out that the party isn't as liberal as she is.
I was referring to the establishment Dems and the leadership types who want the energy, votes, and money certain groups and candidates can bring, while at the same time trying to distance themselves from those same candidates and groups.
George II
(67,782 posts)"I actually wonder how long it's going to be before we get our first fundraising emails/letters/calls/etc. from the party that will use AOC's name/victory to get $$$$$$."
vi5
(13,305 posts)Meaning the Democratic party. The one with leaders and members talking about how she only represents her specific district and how not at all significant her victory was.
I never said anything about Our Revolution, so not sure why that was even brought up.
George II
(67,782 posts)...whether I live in their state or district or not. There's no harm in that.
I live in Connecticut, but just last week I received a number of emails from the DNC (i.e., "the PARTY"
or the office-holder on behalf of the DNC (i.e., "the PARTY"
Those office holders were:
Kamala Harris
Tom Perez (2)
DNC Headquarters (3)
Richard Blumenthal (2)
Chris Murphy
Tina Smith
John Larson (2)
Keith Ellison
Xochiti Hinojosa
It's something that happens when one is a member of the Democratic Party and is representing the Democratic Party in elections.
I don't see why anyone who purports to be a Democrat or supports the Democratic Party would have a problem with this.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..would attempt to distance themselves from a young, charismatic Democrat who a lot of people are excited over. I don't see why anyone in the Democratic party would diminish that person's victory by dismissing it as "local" or "specific to her district" or based more on demographics, or not indicative of the party as a whole.
But yet here we are. And all of that is fine, but my point is that if you are going to treat this person as an anomaly, or specific only to that district, or not that important a victory then don't try to raise money off of that person's name.
And maybe the DNC or the party as a whole won't do that. But if they do, it will be extremely hypocritical.
George II
(67,782 posts)Did I miss something?
All I've seen is a very true comment that politics in the South Bronx / North Central Queens is very very different from politics in the Midwest. Perhaps very different from any other part of the country.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...that Ocasio-Cortez's policies are not suited to what one senator described as the 'Industrial Midwest.'
Since no other reason was given, I'm left to assume it's an economic argument against Ocasio-Cortez's policies, rather than 'South Bronx / North Central Queens politics' as you describe the differences. I'd be left to wonder what it is, specifically, about her politics that isn't suited for the Industrial Midwest.
Since the 'politics' reason you gave hasn't been a point of criticism for anyone but you, I'll stick to the economic argument.
I'll ask you again. What, specifically, is there about Ocasio-Cortez's economic policies which isn't welcome in the 'Industrial Midwest?'
vi5
(13,305 posts)...is "It would be actual work to have to get out there and knock on doors, and to find ways and give speeches that actually explain to people why these policies would benefit them and be good for them. It's much easier for me to tell them what they want to hear and what they already believe."
It's almost as though politics is hard work and requires some degree of effort. The whole things with AOC reeks of "Oh. So she's going to make us actually WORK?
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...I noticed another poster on this thread brought it up, as well.
What specifically, did you mean by "Our Revolution is already doing some of that."
Are you insinuating this poster is part of a group called 'Our Revolution?' What would be the significance of that association and why do you raise it here?
George II
(67,782 posts)The concern expressed is that the Democratic Party will be using Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' name/victory to raise money. Remember, unlike some who caucus with the Democratic Party, she IS a member of the Democratic Party, and most likely wouldn't be where she is today and will be in November if she wasn't a member of the Democratic Party.
On the other hand, Our Revolution, even before the Democratic Party, is using her name/victory to raise funds. Go to their website and look at their lead story (and links on that page)
So, even if the Democratic Party DOES use her name/victory to raise money, what's the problem with that? Of course, they can't do that without her permission, so the advance cynicism expressed in the quote above is premature or maybe even entirely wrong.
However, it's no scandal if the Democratic Party uses the name/victory of any of its nominees to raise funds. MOST members of a Political Party assist the Party in raising funds. I know I have, a number of times. And back in May (maybe April) at the Massachusetts Democratic Party's biggest fundraiser, it was revealed that Senator Elizabeth Warren had made contributions to each and every one of the 50 State Democratic Parties, as well as the DNC. Unfortunately too many are quick to criticize the Democratic Party, warranted or not, earned or not.
By the way, I was watching the Yankees earlier today and, horror of horrors, the showed a commercial using Aaron Judge (a member of the Yankees) to sell tickets (i.e., raise funds) That's the way of the world, be it baseball, network television, party politics, etc.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...Ocasio-Cortez is already associated with that organization through her support for the Sanders campaign.
I believe the inference was that the Democratic party would be using her name while cynically regarding and representing her politics and policy. Who knows? Maybe she'll give them permission. I would think that relationship would need to be reciprocal, not just opportunistic.
George II
(67,782 posts)....after his campaign ended.
The rest? Your interpretation of a recent, very short interview and subsequent tweets.
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...the difference between that group's use of Ocasio-Cortez in fundraising, to the potential for the Democratic party using her for fundraising should be obvious.
One group, 'Our Revolution,' is aligned with her politics and policy, and the other's support is dubious and raising money off of her visage (without her consent) would be unseemly and wrong.
I'm sure if Ocasio-Cortez has a problem with that effort she'll inform them.
Such strains to make such a small, meaningless point.
from their site:
The next step for Bernie Sanders' movement is Our Revolution, which will fight to transform America and advance the progressive agenda that we believe in.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)we are "transformed" all right, berniebots.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)of Cortez and the party traitor Sarandon skinning and grinning?
bigtree
(94,261 posts)...the fact that you found this photo of the two and can't do more than use it as flamebait on this thread speaks volumes.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)do with OP and everything cortez allegedly stands for.
bigtree
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demmiblue
(39,719 posts)I can only see about a third/fourth of the responses in this thread (I think I may need to add a name or two).
Same people constantly disrupting and trying to divide us. Always. 