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Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:46 PM

Why I Left Judge Barrett's "People of Praise (POP) Church" - Some Women Called HANDMAIDS

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The following are some 1st person insights into the spin off faction of Catholism that SCOTUS nominee Barret belongs to. This is an extremely patriarchal faction.

The man who wrote this listed 3 reasons why.

This is reason #3 found at this link
http://covenantcommunities.blogspot.com/2007/03/leaving-people-of-praise.html

3. Life in POP was becoming increasingly burdensome to Marie, who could not accept what she saw going on. But to give it one last try, she submitted to counseling from a "Handmaid". This woman (who had no formal training or qualifications) gave Marie advice that I recognized to be counter to sound spiritual teaching and to the express teaching of the great masters of Catholic spiritual advice. But, I figured, this isn't a big problem. I could just let our coordinator know so that he could correct the Handmaid. I was not prepared for his response. He said the problem was not with the Handmaid, but with Marie, who was subverting God's plan for her life, throwing up theological smokescreens. My job as her husband and head was to call her on it and bring her back into submission.

Initially I was dismayed, dreading the scene that obedience to Dan would result in. But then I had a moment of grace. "Wait a minute," I said to myself. "Marie is a grown woman, mother of four children, all well cared for. She is baptized and loves God. Her favorite saying is, 'I want to be the Lord's nickel,' to spend wherever he wants. She has always tried to listen to him and do what he wants." But if this is true, then it's God's job to convince her of things, not mine. I can say what I think, but if she doesn't go along ... well, she's a grown-up too. And she loves God. So I decided not to do what Dan told me.

When I got home, the atmosphere in our home had already changed. Our relationship was dramatically improved. And -- equally important -- I had decisively broken the bonds of headship by rejecting what was supposed to be vitally important direction for my life (and Marie's). As I moved further from community leadership, Marie and I drew closer together, largely because I was now free to respect her. (Interestingly, she was able to respect me, to. I was no longer the coordinators' toady.)


People are free to believe what they want. All for that.

However, extremism in any form cannot be allowed to sit in the

HIGHEST COURT OF THE COUNTRY.

🙄🙄🙄Handmaid?🙄🙄🙄

OhNo-Really?

I watched two parts of THE HANDMAIDENS TALE - Totally disgusting in every way!


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Reply Why I Left Judge Barrett's "People of Praise (POP) Church" - Some Women Called HANDMAIDS (Original post)
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 OP
hlthe2b Jul 2018 #1
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #9
dhol82 Jul 2018 #2
Vinca Jul 2018 #3
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #8
pnwmom Jul 2018 #4
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #7
pnwmom Jul 2018 #10
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #12
pnwmom Jul 2018 #14
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #15
yortsed snacilbuper Jul 2018 #5
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #6
Ilsa Jul 2018 #11
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #13
tavernier Jul 2018 #16
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #17
tavernier Jul 2018 #18
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #20
octoberlib Jul 2018 #19
OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #21

Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:50 PM

1. this "woman" undoubtedly will be a front-runner because he thinks Dems won't

fight against a woman. We need to be prepared to hit the phones HARD if she is the selection.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:31 PM

9. I'm selling Handmaiden costumes for $1,200 silk, made by Asian toddlers

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:11 PM

2. Bunch of freaks!

Feinstein was kind during this woman’s judicial hearing.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:22 PM

3. Holy shit. Squeaky Fromme must not be available.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:29 PM

8. Already engaged in another project

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:24 PM

4. This isn't ANY form of Catholicism. She can call herself whatever she wants,

but People of Praise isn't Catholic dogma, anymore than Mel Gibson's personal offshoot church is.


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:29 PM

7. What I am hearing is an insulted Catholic.

I understand what you mean; however, the POP think of themselves as more enlightened

I was raised Catholic and believe you me, my mom ruled our roost.

I have given these extremist groups a great deal of thought.

Imho, the self-designated leaders are jeolous of God. They want the loyalty, control. and adherence instead of the God they pretend to represent.

This childish, selfish need to be " more special" to God and others than that unworthy guy down the street is a dangerous tendency. And. the sheep that he convinces to follow his "new, better" path also want to feel special and smart and special.

We are in such a fubarred state today.

NO WAY IN HEAVEN OR HELL can a religious zealot assume power over governance.

Between the religious zealots, trumpinators, and the Aryan Brotherhood types, MS-13 is an almost invisible mosquito.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:36 PM

10. You are hearing someone who acknowledges that the Catholic Church

has its flaws, but it also has a particular set of dogma.

People of Praise has its own. Just because she or anyone else calls themselves Catholic ,or were raised Catholic, doesn't mean that People of Praise has anything to do with the official Catholic church.

I agree with your characterization of these religious zealots.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:51 PM

12. Yet, they go to Rome. They want the association with the Church

but the freedom to rule their own little fiefdoms under the guise of the church. Disguised apostates in a sense. No wonder people are confused. These parasites feed off of parishners fears, insecurities, and doctrinal ignorance who seem eager to put their hand into the hand of man instead of into the hand of the God they seek to serve.

It's a cult or, at the very least, very cultish.

A person graced with full faith in God, His Plan, and directives to Love All doesn't really need an organized religion, imo, although fellowship can be wonderful and group can do a lot of good.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 10:17 PM

14. According to their website, they are an ecumenical group.

https://peopleofpraise.org/about/who-we-are/

We are an ecumenical, charismatic, covenant community. Our model and inspiration is the first Christian community, a small band of disciples who “were of one heart and soul” and “held all things in common.” (Acts 4:33, 2:44). We can be difficult for the public and the press to understand. In truth, we are a community that defies categories.

Take our ecumenism. A majority of People of Praise members are Catholic, and yet the People of Praise is not a Catholic group. We aim to be a witness to the unity Jesus desires for all his followers. Our membership includes not only Catholics but Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals and nondenominational Christians. What we share is a common baptism, a commitment to love one another and our teachings, which we hold in common.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 11:08 PM

15. Here is reason #2 The author left Judge Barrets religious affiliation

From the article:

2. At this time (early 1980s) I was working for the conference department of the POP's outreach, Charismatic Renewal Services (CRS). Since we were into renewal of the Church, I thought I ought to read the Documents of Vatican II.

There, in Lumen Gentium, I read that the Eucharist is the source and sign of unity in the Body of Christ. That was disconcerting, because in the POP the Eucharist played no role. So how could we have a covenanted unity without the sacrament of unity? It was wrong.

Also, if Christ comes to us in the sacraments through the ordained ministry of priests, how could our lay leaders fulfill the role of pastors?

Our community order and spirituality did not fit with the vision presented in Lumen Gentium and other Council documents.

Then in 1984 CRS sent us to Rome for three months for me to work on a Worldwide Priests' Retreat.

There I simply fell in love again with the Catholic Church. Love for the Church was important to our being free from covenant community.



So in the early 1980s, People of Praise organization was running retreats for Priests, according to the writer.

One could imagine such close ties would lead investigaors looking for a unique spiritual home to see POP and Catholic Rome as one in the same. Controlling men must love this patriarchal lifestyle.

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 06:05 PM

5. There's a born again sucker every minute.

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Response to yortsed snacilbuper (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:21 PM

6. that picture. omgosh

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:42 PM

11. So, she will be getting her instructions from her husband who

gets them from some unelected, unselected, unvetted, ignoramus men's leader!

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 09:54 PM

13. OR, if she needs a submissive tune up, an UNTRAINED HANDMAID, will be called i .

Good grief, and this all sounds normal to the followers. Mind boggling really

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2018, 11:15 PM

16. I just started that book today.

So many scary similarities to what’s happening today.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 4, 2018, 04:38 AM

17. Handmaidens Tale?

I was s repulsed by the tv series I couldn't watch more the 2 episodes

A seriously disgusting concept

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 4, 2018, 06:58 AM

18. Haven't seen it.

I just started the audio book. She talks about her child being taken from her which gave me a cold chill with the parallels occurring today. But thanks for a the heads up. I may prefer to skip the tv series.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:16 AM

20. I think the words leud and lacivious and cruel best describe the story line

It makes Stepford Wives look like Leave it to Beaver rofl

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Response to OhNo-Really (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2018, 07:07 AM

19. An article in Slate said the group took the term "handmaids" from a bible verse

about Mary , years before the Handmaids' Tale came out. The group no longer uses the term ,changed it to Women's Leader or something. They're still creepy, though.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:18 AM

21. Men are called Heads 🙄

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