'A cesspool of deviancy': New claims of voyeurism test Jordan denials

[babylonsister]

‘A cesspool of deviancy’: New claims of voyeurism test Jordan denials
A half-dozen former wrestlers at Ohio State, where GOP Rep. Jim Jordan once coached, said they were regularly harassed by men in their training facility.
By RACHAEL BADE and JOHN BRESNAHAN
07/06/2018 05:32 PM EDT


New allegations in the Ohio State University sexual abuse scandal are threatening to intensify the political firestorm facing its onetime assistant wrestling coach, powerful GOP Rep. Jim Jordan.

A half-dozen ex-wrestlers told POLITICO they were regularly harassed in their training facility by sexually aggressive men who attended the university or worked there. The voyeurs would masturbate while watching the wrestlers shower or sit in the sauna, or engage in sexual acts in the areas where the athletes trained, the former wrestlers said.

Larkins Hall, the building that housed athletic teams, became such a well-known target that people who frequented it at the time have reminisced in anonymous postings online how easy it was to ogle naked members of the wrestling team.

The situation was so egregious that former wrestling head coach Russ Hellickson would at times have to physically drag the gawkers out of the building, several sources familiar with his actions at the time said. Hellickson also pleaded with the university multiple times to move their athletes to a private facility, the sources said. Jordan served as Hellickson’s No. 2, and the coach has been described as Jordan’s mentor.

The accusations could exacerbate Jordan’s troubles. He was the wrestling team’s assistant coach from 1986 to 1994 and has adamantly denied knowledge of any sexual abuse.

“I never knew about any type of abuse,” Jordan said in an interview this week. “If I did, I would have done something about it.”

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/06/jim-jordan-harassment-ohio-state-wrestling-699192

[gibraltar72]

1. Was Jordan one of them that was exacerbating?

[nolabear]

16. Dammit, I just spit a perfectly good martini all over my phone!

[EricJohnson]

18. Can't control your liqueur, eh?

[Leghorn21]

2. Whassuppp. JIMBOB?!?? Holy SHIT:

The situation was so egregious that former wrestling head coach Russ Hellickson would at times have to physically drag the gawkers out of the building, several sources familiar with his actions at the time said. Hellickson also pleaded with the university multiple times to move their athletes to a private facility, the sources said. Jordan served as Hellickson’s No. 2, and the coach has been described as Jordan’s mentor.

Oh, hey coach Hellickson, a whasssuup for you, as well:

.....In the video, former head wrestling coach Russ Hellickson, who arrived at Ohio State in 1986, doesn't specify whether athletes came to him with allegations of abuse, but says he talked to the doctor about physical contact with the wrestlers.

"I told him one time, I said, 'Doctor you're much too hands on,' and he just said, 'Oh, I'm being thorough,' " Hellickson said.

Hellickson also says in the video that the doctor would often shower at the same time as the wrestlers, making them uncomfortable.

It's not known whether Hellickson passed on his concerns to his superiors. CNN has been unsuccessful in multiple attempts to obtain comment from Hellickson.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/us/ohio-state-sexual-abuse-allegations-video/index.html

This story is burgeoning, ladies and germs!!

[Blue_true]

7. If a request to superiors was made, there should be some kind of trail.

One question. Why wrestlers? A lot of football players are more ripped, as are basketball and volleyball players. Was there something about Jordan or the head coach that caused wrestlers to be targeted more?

[Leghorn21]

10. Don't know, Blue. I think this thing's just gettin started - from NBC yesterday:

“The Perkins Coie law firm, which is overseeing the probe for the university, has interviewed more than 150 former students and witnesses so far, OSU officials said. Former athletes from 14 Ohio State sports have reported abuse by Strauss, the university said.”

“Stay tuned”

[mr_lebowski]

12. Perhaps a supposition that they might be a more receptive bunch given they've chosen to ...

'Roll around with other guys dressed in tights' (Bender, The Breakfast Club) as their 'sport'?

Not saying I believe that (nor would care in the least if every wrestler on earth was gay) but perhaps those that took part in this believed that to be true. OR they were all part of Strauss's circle and he let them know they could come down and get their Jolly's at the wrestlers expense but he didn't have the 'juice' to pull that off with the Football & Basketball teams. Which makes you wonder about Hellickson's and Jordan's leadership, as you suggested.

[babylonsister]

30. He was a wrestling coach. I have two brothers who wrestled

and went to a lot of meets in high school, and liked them.

It has weight divisions so everyone gets a fair shake.

[Hekate]

34. Why wrestlers? Just a guess: wrestling is near-naked and very...intimate.

As for the putative paper trail, what the administrators didn't want to know probably did not generate a paper trail.

There's a recently-former gynecologist from University of Southern California student health center who is going to cost that institution millions and millions of dollars. Complaints were made, some of them quite vigorous. Yet that SOB continued for nearly 30 years. For the unfolding of the lurid details, see this year's Los Angeles Times.

[Blue_true]

39. The USC issue won't only cost money, it will rightfully cost careers.

Some people actively seek positions of power, when they get there, they should do their damned jobs. Looking the other way won't ever work anymore, and "I didn't know won't be accepted as an excuse".

[Hekate]

40. USC heavily recruited Chinese students & the money that comes from their tuition...

In addition to being young and naive and not knowing what to expect from an exam like the American girls, the Chinese girls also had the burden of language and cultural differences. To say that their parents and government are not pleased is an understatement.

Let's just say this SOB's office visits were extra-thorough with a side order of comments. Never mind -- details in newspaper.

[rusty fender]

41. Because they showered in a public facility?

Statement in the article

[malaise]

3. This story always had more than legs

Can't wait for the whole truth - bye bye Jimbo - give Denny -a call.

[Blue_true]

8. I am beginning to get that type of thought also.

Something is off about that kettle of fish.

[malaise]

13. Well one thing I know

Truth will out.

[HipChick]

20. and hands...

seems like Jimbo is toast...

[malaise]

21. Burnt toast

Are you watching Beryl?
Dominica doesn't need another storm...period.

[JDC]

4. What a bizarre story.

[HipChick]

31. Reminds me of wide stance..

[Squinch]

5. I still am not convinced that the republican party of today

will see this as an offense that demands that Jordan steps down. I'm talking about both republican officials and voters.

[Blue_true]

9. Actually, I don't want him to step down.

I want this to stink him up to high heaven through Election Day. He is in a very red district, but if 25% of the red voters are too disgusted with him to vote or vote for him, he loses. If he resigns, republicans can replace him in a red district, that might not work to our advantage.

[mr_lebowski]

17. Of course not, this is classic 'gay recruitment' in their eyes ... the only ones who look bad ...

Are 'the gays' trying to 'indoctrinate our young people'.

[Kajun Gal]

6. He knew.

[Blue_true]

11. It is beginning to look like more than he knew.

Why were the wrestler kids targeted so heavily, they aren't the most ripped jocks, football and basketball players more likely were. Also, did the pedo problem start happening after Jordan and the head coach arrived in 1986, or had it been going on earlier? There are just so many unanswered questions.

[Horse with no Name]

14. It probably had to do with access

As that is always the case in molestation.
Maybe the football coach wouldn’t allow it?

[Blue_true]

15. Maybe. But that says a lot of bad stuff about wrestling leadership. nt

[mr_lebowski]

19. Not to nitpick this point, but the students were adults ...

Actual pedo's are generally not attracted to kids past puberty. And even if some are, we don't have evidence these offenders were into children, just young men. Unless we find out the behavior extended to people < 18, the issue here is not really these guys age, it's the unwanted groping, and it sounds like we can add illegal voyeurism and sexual exhibition in the locker room as well to the charges.

[Blue_true]

22. Good points. I went to school with a couple of 16 year old high school seniors.

But yeah, by college most people are adults. But even then, someone that young doesn't know when something inappropriate is done, it is easy to think that it was caution.
As I read about the wrestlers, something that happened to my in my early 20s keeps filtering through my mind. I was getting a physical exam from a male doctor and was given a rectal exam, I didn't think anything of it at the time and even now I don't know whether that is normal for a very young, healthy person who had no history of problems that would warrant such an exam. Eventhough they were adults, I can see some of the wrestlers not making much of the incidents until years later - coincidentally, that could have been Jordan's out if he hadn't chosen to lie - he could have just said that he was told and did not have proper appreciation that something wrong was happening. But in Jordan's case, my mind keeps saying there is more to his role that he is afraid will come out.

[mr_lebowski]

24. Yeah, Jordan's decision to try to lie is looking stupider and stupider ...

Esp. now that it's come out that the Coach himself was well aware of what was going on ... Jordan had an 'out' with that, saying he deferred to his boss, the Coach, to handle the situation. It was at least a viable 'excuse' for his 'failure of duty to report', and as you say he could've said since the Coach was aware, he assumed this was just 'how things were'.

To US, that wouldn't let him off the hook, but to the public overall it'd have been a lot less egregious than outright lying from the git-go and getting caught at that. Because that makes you look guilty/complicit.

[MontanaMama]

33. Some of these athletes may have been 18-19 years old

or even a little older. Respectfully, it’s the imbalance of power that sets these young people up for abuse by these pervs. Maybe some of them were on scholarship and don’t want to jeopardize that by rocking the boat. Most are probably away from home for the first time making them more vulnerable. Maybe some were coerced or threatened. This whole thing stinks to night heaven. My 13 year old son pointed out that this may not be taken as seriously as similar situations involving women and girls. I really hope that’s not the case.

[mr_lebowski]

35. And I don't disagree with any of these points ...

I do disagree with the characterization of 'pedophilia' ... when the victims were not children.

Doesn't mean they weren't victims, and coerced/taken advantage of ... I'd just prefer 'accuracy' in terminology. I like when our side is 'in the right' without resorting to hyperbole, as the other side so often does. I consider that a type of lying ... Just a personal 'tic' if you will.

Good night to you and yours.

[MontanaMama]

36. Gotcha. I couldn't agree more.

Thank you for clarifying.

[Demsrule86]

37. Wrestlers locker rooms were in a public area...the coach asked to this to change but Ohio State

apparently refused.

[bluestateboomer]

23. Al Franken

Al had to resign for what amounted to a tasteless joke. This guy should be gone as well.

[NCjack]

25. What are the GOPers really hiding? I think the fear is that reporters will start digging

and they will discover that Putin dug up the dirt on every Repuke in leadership positions, and he is blackmailing them all.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. Could very well be...

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. Sounds like a gay brothel

right on campus.
I'm sure Jim vaguely remembers it. Mr. Tough-guy cross examiner w Mr Rosenstein. He's going to regret that shit hard. He and Mr. Tussled suit Trey Gowdy. It will be a glorious day when we turn this shit show back around.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

28. O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!

Walter Scott

[Demovictory9]

29. yup

[Scurrilous]

32. K&R

[Arazi]

38. Are we up to 6 people now? Last I heard it was five

Drip drip drip

[DesertRat]

42. #ResignJimJordan