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[Phoenix61]

1. There's crazy at both edges of the bell curve

Proof that one can be educated and still be a complete jackass. Thanks for trying.

[Cha]

54. Exactly Phoenix.. look at Doctor Ben Carson..

he's done brain surgery but acts out in public like he doesn't have brain one of his own.

[bdamomma]

2. you just can't talk

sense into ignorant people like this. Sad don't they get it? apparently they don't.

Just wait they will have their moment when they could have done the right thing for themselves and their country but it is pure ignorance.

[dem4decades]

3. I hope she, and her husband, enjoy what their stupidity has brought this nation.

[awesomerwb1]

4. Dump is not blowing up the status quo

He's blowing up everything he's not selling to Russia and what will remain "standing" is for his benefit, Russia's benefit and the very very wealthy's.

[rzemanfl]

5. How did that woman get into grad school?

Not to cast asparagus on wherever it is your husband teaches.

"Cast asparagus" is old time DU.

On edit. Oklahoma. Asparagus cast.

[NCTraveler]

6. One could be no more entrenched than Sanders. Period.

What a fucking fool.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. If anything - Trump blowing up the status quo hurts Bernie and people like him.

When this is all said and done, Americans will be pining for normalcy and a candidate who isn't going to shake things up. It's a counter backlash to the backlash we saw in 2016. It's a big reason Richard Nixon won in '68, believe it or not (or Carter in '76) - a candidate coming in talking about calming things and turning away from the craziness that appears to be dividing, and defining, the country.

Bernie has a great message, no doubt, but after four years of an assault on the perceived political status quo, they may just look for the candidate who talks calmly and brings sanity back into politics.

Not someone who's looking to further shake things up.

[redstatebluegirl]

9. I am more than tired of Senator Sanders.

He is going to be the reason we lose in 2018 midterms.

[calimary]

46. Take a number.

[Cha]

55. Your husband's grad student sounds like a clone

of this..

Link to tweet

SS has no remorse.. she and stein will do it again in 2020. But, Thank You for trying to talk to her.. maybe some will sink in later.. you never know.

I hope it's not true.. but I'm wary of the danger, too.

[Iliyah]

8. At this point in time in the USA, Americans do have a right to decide.

Cherish that. I wholeheartedly disagree with them, but it is their decision and their right. One thing I do appreciate about the Democratic Party is that we are diverse and we do believe in human, civil, women, voting rights, among other things.

[redstatebluegirl]

10. Yes, I am proud of my party.

[SWBTATTReg]

11. She's an idiot along w/ her husband, who claim to be Bernie fans. They are actually going against

Bernie's wishes in the 2016 elections to fully support HRC, when the dust settled down finally.

I'd love to see how much she's paying for her schooling and healthcare now? This is probably one of the best reasons (or the only reason) that she's supporting Bernie now. She's probably a full time student who's probably never worked a full time job yet.

I don't think that free healthcare or tuition is fully in the cards, or some version of it is, just not the version she's expecting. Knowing her, probably tuition and/or healthcare forever, so she won't have to ever work, like the rest of us do.

How nice. She and her husband don't sound very democratic to me at all, and sound like they are the ones that need to be in a cage.

Write them both off, they are both too selfish in worrying about themselves to really care about anyone else and don't waste your energy on them. There are too many people in this world who would really appreciate your help and efforts like you are attempting here (doesn't seem to be going anywhere).

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

12. A disciple of Susan Sarandon, no doubt.

It'll bring the revolution!

The Revolution!

REVOLUTION!

WooHoo!

[Cha]

58. They're divorced but at least Tim Robbins Voted For Hillary..

Tim Robbins parts ways with his ex Susan Sarandon: ‘In a time of insanity, I’m voting for Hillary’

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/tim-robbins-parts-ways-with-his-ex-susan-sarandon-in-a-time-of-insanity-im-voting-for-hillary/

[ellie]

14. She is fine with kids in cages?

I would have told her she is a monster. That is my litmus test. Anyone who does not have a problem with children in cages is persona non grata. Disgusting.

[Orsino]

15. "Worth it" is a two-word dismissal of weeks or months of misery.

Rather than letting anyone off the hook that quickly, we ought when possible to encourage them to unpack the consequences. What is the maximum amount of time a child should be isolated from his oer her family? What should the government be doing to reunite the families? Who is willing to pay for the treatment of thousands of traumatized children and parents?

A "liberal" cannot dismiss all that.

[genxlib]

36. This strikes me as white privilege

All that pain and suffering she writes off as "worth it" isn't her pain and suffering. The bad stuff will pass her by.

[Solomon]

63. Exactly.

Yep.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. It won't be "worth it" the second any of this shit touches her personally. And this is

coming from someone who voted for Sanders in the primary and who preferred he was the nominee. Yet I'm not some over privileged callous moron who gets to make that type of asinine comment because I think I'm somehow above it all, or some shit.

[jrthin]

17. I hear you. I hear and have heard this sentiment.

There is so much I want to say about how many of BS supporters got us into this mess, but my post will be removed. So...why bother.

[redstatebluegirl]

18. I agree, I have been careful, but the young people follow him no matter what.

[lunamagica]

48. Actually, he has lost a great number of his young supporters who have opened their eyes

and see him for who he really is

[leftofcool]

19. Bernie Sanders is never going to be President

There is never going to be medicare for all, universal health care, free college or a free base salary. The federal minimum wage is about to go along with medicare and social security, civil rights, gay rights, etc... That shipped sailed when the idiots didn't vote for Hillary. We will be lucky if there is an election in 2020. Democracy is deader than a door nail.

[workinclasszero]

20. BoBers and Trump deplorables are two sides of the same coin

Cultists who don't give a shit how many millions will suffer.

They will be to busy worshiping their cult leader until it affects them personally,

Then they will both blame Hillary and liberals. F them all!

[redstatebluegirl]

21. I was shocked at what she was saying.

She supports fellow LGBTQ students, she shares clearly democratic values and now this.

[workinclasszero]

23. I'm sorry but

Anyone who says innocent children being kidnapped and locked up in cages is a good thing is evil.

Pure evil.

I don't GAF what their politics are at that point.

They are of the devil and they can proceed directly to hell at the earliest opportunity IMO.
.

[lunatica]

22. She must think she would personally benefit if she thinks

the fact that children have been put in cages is worth it.

If you’re still talking to her ask her what she thinks will be worth waiting for and let her explain herself. Don’t criticize or try to counter argue with her. But do ask questions that would help her flesh out her statements. Ask her how blowing up the government would be done, and how it would be changed to be ‘better’.

Usually when people actually articulate their generalized thinking by trying to visualize the actuality of practical ways to bring it about they change their own minds.

She’s getting away with making flat broad brush statements so she can easily stand by them. Once she has to actually delve a little deeper her own arguments will fall apart.

[redstatebluegirl]

25. In talking to her i realize she actually thinks Bernie approves of this behavior.

[bettyellen]

40. Bernie has given mixed messages about immigration. So there's that.

It’s like foreign policy and women’s reproductive issues.
He dismissed them as wedges, perhaps to be sacrificed for his “greater” cause.

[Hoyt]

24. I think a lot of fools felt/feel that way. Don't know why they think a Sanders will be next Prez.

Might be another trump, even worse.

[redstatebluegirl]

26. I think it would have been worse at this point.

[Freethinker65]

27. Tell her to stock up on birth control, never get sick, and forget about getting an advanced degree

[redstatebluegirl]

28. Well she just completed her doctorate to late for that.

[Freethinker65]

30. Congrats to her. You mentioned she wanted "free" tuition so I just assumed

[lunamagica]

49. How can someone who thinks children in cages is "wortht it" can be "one of your favorites"

only a true evil person would think that way

[kcr]

59. Seriously

That is vile.

[beachbum bob]

29. Same attitude with Nader voters in 2000...disgusting and they own the

Bloodshed of Iraq more than the those who voted for bush...same here.

[CatMor]

32. What trump is blowing up is anything President Obama put into place

that has been one of his main goals.

[Squinch]

33. They're a small group of ignorant nut jobs. When you encounter them

don't waste your breath. Tell them they're idiots and move on.

[unblock]

34. yeah that hitler dude was great for germany, i mean, look at them now!

i mean, sure, millions died, entire cities were leveled and so on, but germany is now #1 in europe!

totally worth it!

[PoorMonger]

35. Don't give up

Because one privileged poop is too stupid to think what’s happening now matters. They aren’t the ones we need to convince anyway.

[octoberlib]

37. The only person she really cares about is herself , then. It's all about "me".

And could she explain how Bernie was going to get free tuition and free healthcare through Congress? I suppose she thought he'd wave a magic wand.

[redstatebluegirl]

38. That is what he sold to them.

[octoberlib]

42. He did and none of them asked any questions. He had no explanations for howany of these things were

going to be passed. It's demagoguery. I'm not against Medicare for all and free tuition. I just don't think Bernie would get it through Congress. Sounds like a civics lesson is in order.

[spanone]

39. she's a sick woman

[genxlib]

41. The Free Tuition thing is just dumb

It isn't smart policy for a number of reasons.

I am all for drastically reducing the cost of college and making it affordable for everyone. But free is an unnecessarily difficult hurdle to overcome. People need to have skin in the game in order to take it seriously.

I have a daughter who will be entering college in two years. I see first hand what a disaster the system has become. It may very well cost me a small fortune. Even so, I don't think it should be free. I can afford to pay my share.

If i were writing the script... Better funding to reduce the cost to about 1/3 of the current costs. Means tested financial aide for half of that cost. Loans for the rest (government sponsored at the t-bill rate). Everyone should pay something in order to be invested in your own future. Even if that something is only the loaned portion combined with potential loan forgiveness for national service.

[octoberlib]

43. Actually quite a few colleges were tuition-free until Reagan and the R's started attacking it.

A well educated public is not good for the GOP.





Until the Vietnam War, most public colleges and universities had it. So what happened to our tuition-free public universities and colleges?

UC Berkeley is perhaps the poster child for what has happened to the idea of tuition-free colleges and universities. It is something most other developed countries have for its citizens but no longer in the U.S. And tuition-free higher education — particularly for taxpayer funded public colleges and universities — was in the founding charters of most higher public educational institutions.

When I entered UC Berkeley as a freshman in the late 1950s, my $300 scholarship covered the first year administration fees. There was no tuition. Today UC Berkeley charges a tuition fee of $13,518 per academic year for California residents. Out-of-state residents have to add an additional $26,682 in tuition fees.

As late as 1960 The California Master Plan developed under Chancellor Clark Kerr supported keeping the UC system tuition-free. It is easiest to blame then California Governor Ronald Reagan, who once inaugurated in 1966 began his attack on higher education. It was the beginning of the Vietnam anti-war protests, and he considered UC Berkeley a hotbed of socialism, and inimical to winning the Cold War.

It was also the beginning of his government-is-the-problem campaign by shifting state resources away from educating California’s students — firstly, by cutting state funding for higher education, and calling in the National Guard to put down student protests

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/what-happened-to-tuition_b_10240514.html

[appalachiablue]

53. That is all correct. Pre- Reagan, public colleges were affordable,

and even some private institutions. I got out of grad. school in the early 80s, just in time before the onslaught that's become a nightmare millstone around students' necks. They worry constantly about student loan debt, getting a decent job- mostly corporate in these times, must scrimp and save just to live and delay buying a home and starting a family. We never had those insecurities, 5 of us in college 1965-1981, and not our parents and a couple grandparents.

In Europe most countries have tuition-free college, but so many Americans know little to nothing about systems in other places. And many nations, not all in Europe like Canada also have affordable, universal heath care unlike the US. We're so behind in major areas in the last 20-30 years.

As governor, conservative b-actor Reagan started cutting CA's affordable college system to punish long haired, hippie protester kids. Then as pres., it began nationally esp. with the massive tax cuts for the wealthy that he advanced.

Prior to then, some of the taxes that wealthy companies and individuals paid went to support state schools, a productive investment in young people for the future to benefit the whole society, but no more. Ever since then corporations have been paying very little in taxes and hide a lot of funds offshore. Makes me sick. And about Bernie, I never saw or heard any supporters solely focused on the "free college, free medical care issues" and am dubious of these claims.

[Flaleftist]

44. Give up on that particular moron and move on to someone else.

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Someone who might not otherwise vote. Do not give up completely.

People have fought and given their lives for this country. Debating and presenting facts to people to convince them they neeed to vote out these traitors is frustrating and exhausting, but a small price to pay to save our county.

[lunamagica]

47. Bernard Sanders will NEVER be president. Mark my words

So everything is "worth it" as long as she gets her freebies? She is beyond deplorable. She is a monster.

Anyone who is OK with children being in cages doesn't deserve to be called human

[Decoy of Fenris]

50. All these people saying the student doesn't "get it". She "gets it" just fine, and rejects "it".

Many of my coworkers (a refrain I use frequently, as I don't otherwise get out much) know -exactly- what's going on. They know there are children in cages, they know parents are ripped from their kids, they know the Supreme Court is fucked, they know America is isolating itself diplomatically from the world. They know all about Putin influencing the election, they know about Trump cozying up with Russia, they know about literally every grievance DU comes up with on a daily basis.

They love every second of it. They cherish every new atrocity like their lives depend on it, and I've said this before and I'm saying it again; They love it because it upsets Democrats. Because Democrats, flawed enough to have such a human emotion as empathy, -HURT- when this shit happens. Kids in cages? Better get 'em some Kibble, eh Dems? Parents deported without kids? Tough luck, enjoy Nicaragua. Roe v. Wade overturned? Enjoy those coathangers!


It's not enough for them that they "won". "Winning" wasn't enough, and they're getting their greatest desire; government-sanctioned suffering directly instilled on Democrats. If it means the breaking of the American Government as we know it, so be it, so long as Democrats suffer every second of it.

The worst part of it is that some of the same people I hear expressing this sort of thought are as liberal or left-wing, moreso than some of us here at DU. If you'd notice, I didn't bother mentioning "left wing" up-post, because it's not about the left, really. It's about the Democratic Party, not those with liberal or progressive ideals. So long as we, as a Party, -HURT- to the maximum extent, this type of voter would gladly consign the country into the hands of actual, resurrected Hitler himself if given the chance. It's the hatred of Hillary Clinton expanded from a single target into the entire party she's a member of.


I remember, an age ago, must have been close to ten years ago now, I made a post (different username) warning of this exact issue in the electorate. Voters motivated not by ideas or principles but by pure spite and the desire to watch Democrats suffer as much as possible. Can't remember what happened to that post, but I don't think it ever got replied to.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

51. That's pretty rare,

Let’s not blow one story out of proportion. Few people are like this in my experience.


Where is your husband a professor and of what, out of curiousoty?

[AlexSFCA]

52. tell her bernie will never be president, plain and simple

[Meowmee]

56. Really sickening

There are many people like this unfortunately and that is why we are in this situation.

[Demovictory9]

57. ugh

[drray23]

60. If I had one of my grad students behave like that

I would take it as not capable of critical thinking and therefore unsuited to continue on in a PhD program.
I don't care about people's politics until it is so out there it affects their judgment and thinking.

[MFM008]

61. How long do they expect

Him to be around? Isnt he in his 80s?
Could be a looooooooooonnnnnggggggg wait.

[VOX]

62. This graduate student apparently sprang forth fully-formed from the brow of Susan Sarandon.

Because she's de-facto advocating FOR Trump and his..."policies."