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She IS at risk of burning through her good will before she gets to Washington. RandySF Jul 2018 #1
I've heard the same thing throughout my national circles & the energy that was Wwcd Jul 2018 #13
lol melman Jul 2018 #31
Based on how she's already gone on the attack against several highly respected Democrats.... George II Jul 2018 #33
Rest easy Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #2
I think that many people that run for office have a big head. Otherwise, why put up with the BS? dameatball Jul 2018 #3
No. H2O Man Jul 2018 #4
NO SarasotaDem Jul 2018 #36
No melman Jul 2018 #5
She is going to have as much goodwill as the "Freedom Caucus" if she keeps this up. Dawson Leery Jul 2018 #6
It sounds like she's trying to help elect people who will actually help us fight Tatiana Jul 2018 #7
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #17
This sort of thing could cost us a majority...and many she is going after are good Democrats... she Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #18
By going against a well-respected, prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus? George II Jul 2018 #37
What Congressional Black Caucus rep are you referring to? nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #53
Yes, it does sound like that. elleng Jul 2018 #43
Please stop. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #8
. eleny Jul 2018 #9
I was wary of her from Cha Jul 2018 #10
Yeahhhh... jeopardizing a safe Dem seat is pretty dumb. Squinch Jul 2018 #16
Wow! Has she said how she feels about electing more minorities? Wwcd Jul 2018 #23
I don't know-she is helping a Challenger out with a primary against a Congressional Black caucus Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #28
She's helping Cori Bush a black Woman txliberal2016 Jul 2018 #51
I'm with you Cha nini Jul 2018 #32
yeah, we have, nini.. too Cha Jul 2018 #44
Cha, good post. There were two sentences in the very first ad I saw of hers that R B Garr Jul 2018 #39
Wow.. I never saw Cha Jul 2018 #45
Exactly! A few of the buzz words and you can tell where it's all going. R B Garr Jul 2018 #49
Who is running against Clay? Blue_true Jul 2018 #54
Iknowrite? BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #11
My fear is she 'changes' it by costing us a majority that we could have had...she needs to go back Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #20
Would you be saying this about a white man? Please don't answer here. Just ponder the question in WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2018 #12
The hypocrisy of some people here supporting a third party Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #14
Why would you try to gin up that made up controversy? Squinch Jul 2018 #34
"We must open up the Democratic Party!" radius777 Jul 2018 #52
Yes I would...and have. This has to do with risking a majority. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #21
Sure would... why the hell would you be bringing Cha Jul 2018 #30
Of course not WG... the double standard is amazing! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #40
Aren't Berners against 'identity politics'? radius777 Jul 2018 #48
You did not ask me, yet I will answer. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #50
That whole third party brouhaha was an unforced error. You only get one or.two of those, Squinch Jul 2018 #15
Strike Two(?) RandySF Jul 2018 #19
Yeah, I just saw that. I really liked her when I first saw her, Squinch Jul 2018 #22
It is. The backlash to this move of hers into a State she does not represent is kinda Wwcd Jul 2018 #27
Good.. I wasn't on board since she Cha Jul 2018 #41
Wow...just wow. Well, it is official...don't like her...still hope she wins of course as she is a Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #24
There's no question she will win, and that's good. Now we Squinch Jul 2018 #25
Wow! That is nasty. What would happen if William Clay encouraged R B Garr Jul 2018 #26
No. Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #29
I'd like to see her taking on more Republicans. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #35
If she wanted to 'blow up' the party, she'd have run independent leftstreet Jul 2018 #38
looks like she is finding out some of the knives in her back have a democrat hand on them. dembotoz Jul 2018 #42
A "Democrat" hand? mcar Jul 2018 #47
Hmmmmm sheshe2 Jul 2018 #55
LOL Iggo Jul 2018 #46
this is a Democratic nominee bigtree Jul 2018 #56
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
13. I've heard the same thing throughout my national circles & the energy that was
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jul 2018

first strongly behind her is growing in disappointment.
She'll always have her loyalists but the growing sentiment being mentioned is that she is being simply marketed, with nothing there to really buy into but a campaign ad. She is turning off many who first applauded her entrance.

They are looking closer to her experience in governing & finding nothing to support the claims she makes.

They are seeing it as just more of the same old 'Money & Media' candidate being marketed.
And many are turned off by her lack of attacking Republicans, while she targets Dems.
That is becoming obvious & its causing suspicion as to her motives.

They're mostly fed up with the oversell of Trump in 2016, and are simply looking at credible experience next time they cast a ballot.
They are finding she has little experience to judge her qualifications on.

I have to agree to some extent.
Blame the oversell of Trump 2016 that has made people wary & turned voters away.

They want more than words & well crafted campaign ads next time.
Can't say I blame them.
I wish her good luck & the grace of wisdom.




George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Based on how she's already gone on the attack against several highly respected Democrats....
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jul 2018

....it could be that her "good will" is wearing perilously thin.

dameatball

(7,669 posts)
3. I think that many people that run for office have a big head. Otherwise, why put up with the BS?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:15 PM
Jul 2018

Out of all the things we have to worry about at this moment, this is pretty low on the list. I do get your drift, but let it play out a bit. She is now our candidate. Vote for her and worry about the other stuff later.
There are quite a few Democratic candidates out there right now. Too early to throw darts in my opinion. Although I do not see her happening in 2020.....who the hell saw Trump for real in 2014....maybe a few.

Dawson Leery

(19,568 posts)
6. She is going to have as much goodwill as the "Freedom Caucus" if she keeps this up.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:16 PM
Jul 2018

Someday Democrats will be back in power and I want them to be able to govern effectively.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
7. It sounds like she's trying to help elect people who will actually help us fight
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:18 PM
Jul 2018

the Freedom Caucus and fascist thugs who have co-opted our government.

I can't be mad at that.

Response to Tatiana (Reply #7)

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
18. This sort of thing could cost us a majority...and many she is going after are good Democrats... she
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:45 PM
Jul 2018

has no business going to purple or red states.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. By going against a well-respected, prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:57 PM
Jul 2018

He isn't helping us fight the Freedom Caucus?

elleng

(141,926 posts)
43. Yes, it does sound like that.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:06 PM
Jul 2018

Sadly, some aren't prepared for or interested in it.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
10. I was wary of her from
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:29 PM
Jul 2018

the beginning when she tried to refight the primaries @SenatorDuckworth.

And, unfortunately it hasn't gotten any better with her flying off the handle and attacking Joe Crowley on Twitter for "mounting" a 3rd party campaign to run against her.




Oh and she's..

Ocasio-Cortez to campaign against Democrat Congressman William Clay in St. Louis
Clay is a progressive incumbent.. And he's a highly respected member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210867566#top
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
23. Wow! Has she said how she feels about electing more minorities?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jul 2018

Is electing minorities part of her platform?
Just asking.
Its a big deal !

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
28. I don't know-she is helping a Challenger out with a primary against a Congressional Black caucus
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:53 PM
Jul 2018

Member...posted on this thread.

nini

(16,830 posts)
32. I'm with you Cha
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jul 2018

I don't trust her farther than I can throw her.

I've seen this song and dance before.

R B Garr

(17,984 posts)
39. Cha, good post. There were two sentences in the very first ad I saw of hers that
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jul 2018

clued me in. It's all playing out pretty much how I thought based on her own word selection from day one.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
45. Wow.. I never saw
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jul 2018

any ads but I can imagine how they were easy for you to spot.. not like we haven't had our fill of those kinds of "words"

Unfortunately it's playing out how I thought it would, too, from the second I saw her Trying to refight the primaries @Senator Duckworth.. and then there were those trying to shout us down that it was all Tammy's fault!

RB Mahalo!

R B Garr

(17,984 posts)
49. Exactly! A few of the buzz words and you can tell where it's all going.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jul 2018

Her campaign ads were posted here and I watched with an open mind, but those OR words stuck out.

You've had great posts on this.

If she hasn't even started her campaign yet against the Republican, I agree that she might be in for a surprise. Campaigning against Democrats is really not needed right now, and I think most people know that.....

Mahalo Cha!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
54. Who is running against Clay?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jul 2018

The guess is that if the challenger wins, that person will be a member of the CBC.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
20. My fear is she 'changes' it by costing us a majority that we could have had...she needs to go back
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:47 PM
Jul 2018

to New York... and knock this off. I hope she wins but she has no business interfering in states like Missouri and Delaware.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,954 posts)
12. Would you be saying this about a white man? Please don't answer here. Just ponder the question in
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:33 PM
Jul 2018

your heart.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
14. The hypocrisy of some people here supporting a third party
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:41 PM
Jul 2018

spoiler against the Democratic nominee is stunning.

Squinch

(59,520 posts)
34. Why would you try to gin up that made up controversy?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jul 2018

You know that's not what anyone is doing. So why would you pretend it is?

radius777

(3,921 posts)
52. "We must open up the Democratic Party!"
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jul 2018

said Berners... the irony and hypocrisy of a democratic socialist independent and his acolytes (of which AOC is one) whining about the existence of a third party line (Crowley) that isn't even actively campaigning and has said will support the Dem nominee (much more than she would've done for him if he won) is rich indeed.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
48. Aren't Berners against 'identity politics'?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jul 2018

Seems hypocritical for AOC/fans to try to play that card now.

Berners also viciously attacked Hillary for her ambition.

Squinch

(59,520 posts)
15. That whole third party brouhaha was an unforced error. You only get one or.two of those,
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jul 2018

and she's used one.

RandySF

(84,260 posts)
19. Strike Two(?)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:46 PM
Jul 2018

She going to St. Louis to campaign against progressive congressman William Clay who is a prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Squinch

(59,520 posts)
22. Yeah, I just saw that. I really liked her when I first saw her,
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jul 2018

but working to unseat safe Dems is pretty unforgivable in the current climate.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
27. It is. The backlash to this move of hers into a State she does not represent is kinda
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jul 2018

starting to piss off a lot of people who applauded her at first.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
41. Good.. I wasn't on board since she
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jul 2018

tried to refight the primaries @Senator Duckworth and, of course, got excoriated by some.

A lot I cared.

Ocasio-Cortez to campaign against Democratic Congressman William Clay in St. Louis

Clay is a progressive incumbent.. And he's a highly respected member of the Congressional Black Caucus
.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210867566

Wwcd

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
24. Wow...just wow. Well, it is official...don't like her...still hope she wins of course as she is a
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:49 PM
Jul 2018

Democrat...but that is it.

Squinch

(59,520 posts)
25. There's no question she will win, and that's good. Now we
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jul 2018

need to hope she doesn't cost any other Dems their seats.

R B Garr

(17,984 posts)
26. Wow! That is nasty. What would happen if William Clay encouraged
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jul 2018

someone to campaign against her. She already couldn't handle something she misconstrued.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
42. looks like she is finding out some of the knives in her back have a democrat hand on them.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:04 PM
Jul 2018

bigtree

(94,261 posts)
56. this is a Democratic nominee
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:33 PM
Jul 2018

...this kind of attack should be off-bounds here.

The attacks on AOC, ironically, began with concern about her winning the seat. It's evolved into an apparent attempt to take her down before she even faces her republican opponent in the election.

This is a Democratic board and Democrats should find support here, unless they do something to violate our Democratic compact. Exercising her political right to participate in this election and to freely associate with (and oppose in the primary, those Democrats she may disagree with (like voters do), should not be the subject of scorn or derision here.

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