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(10,173 posts)
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:06 PM Jul 2018

"The 2 ways Russia may have helped Trump steal the election aren't what you think"

This article is the best summary I've read so far which lays out how far and extensive Russian hacking of the election went.

I've long dismissed the idea that actual votes were changed on election night since Republicans have already formalized voter suppression into law. A Russian oligarch purchasing state election software and compromised registration voter rolls ensure you're ahead of the game. "Voter suppression" was also an electoral strategy by Bannon and Cambridge Analytica, in tandem with the Kremlin's hacking of DNC political machinery.

In other words, if you can alter state voter rolls and suppress the vote through nefarious means, you don't need to change actual votes on election night since you've already compromised and manipulated the electoral process for a particular desired outcome.

The real scandal is how Republicans and their allies have managed to get away with this for long. Their intent is to contract the franchise, since the large tent of the Democratic Base is larger thus a serious threat, and unfortunately also easy to fracture.

"Friday’s indictment confirmed that hacking these voter databases was a key goal for the Russians. The criminal charges said the Russian spies obtained the personal data of some 500,000 American voters in a state that news reports have identified as Illinois. (State officials there had already acknowledged they were hacked but claimed a smaller scale of about 200,000 voters.)"

Some experts have pointed out that deleting or altering the registration files of voters could not only prevent some people from casting their ballots on Election Day but could also lead to mayhem such as long lines at polling places, causing some to give up and leave without casting their ballots. Unlike using a computer to change election tallies, there is no way to even investigate how many voters are “lost” in such a scenario.

This is how one actually hacks an election. One doesn’t change the vote count. One alters the voter registration rolls so that when you present your ID to vote, your name is not there, or your address is wrong, etc. And then a huge line forms and hundreds of people don’t vote.

— The theft of Democratic analytics.
The Mueller indictment also revealed, for the first time, that the Russian hackers were able in September 2016 to break into a cloud-based system hosting data for the Democratic National Committee and thus gain access to the party’s “analytics” — i.e., the critical data that campaign strategists use to determine whether to target ads, ramp up get-out-the-vote or registration drives and send the candidate (or, in the infamous case of Clinton and Wisconsin, where to not send the candidate.)

The indictment doesn’t suggest the data was altered, nor — according to experts — would that have accomplished much. But the access could have been critical for revealing — either to the Russians, who we now know were mounting their own extensive social media campaign to aid Trump, or to any GOP campaign officials colluding with Team Putin — where to focus attention to counter the Democrats.

Remember, one of the great mysteries of the Trump-Russia scandal has been how did the so-called Russian trolls — creating divisive Facebook postings on race or immigration, or boosting Trump or third-party candidates like Jill Stein who took votes away from Clinton — know which states to target? Or perhaps more damning, did the Russians successfully convey some of the purloined analytics to the Trump campaign so it could adjust its strategy?
- The article goes on to answer this very question with evidence - the tweets by Trump officials and interviews.

This was a highly sophisticated effort to ensure the election of Donald Trump ( or harm a potential Hillary presidency). It is like nothing we have ever seen in American politics.

This was not your run of the mill swiftboating a la Dukakis and Kerry, it was a concerted effort by rich powerful interests - the real oligarchs - to revert geopolitics to pre FDR/WW2 days - A reversion to an old world order which suits Vladimir Putin fine.

Putin wants to break up Western Alliances and create multipolarity. It would reduce the world to Russia's size - a country that can't even manage the GDP of California. Sure sanctions are partly responsible for this, but it is also the fault of Putin who suppressed any chance of Russia emerging as a powerful, prosperous democracy. Indeed, this is by design.

As Dr. Yevgenia Alba , editor in chief of The New Times, a political alt-weekly in Russia, remarked:

"[The] political regime in Russia is transforming from a personalist authoritarian regime, with a leader on top and running the show, toward a corporatist type of regime," ....For the first time, the political police have become power itself, its essence and its being. Stability is guaranteed by political-police operatives, technocrats in the bureaucracy, and violence as the primary method of governance. http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/publications/issue-briefs/the-direction-of-russian-politics-and-the-putin-factor

No country can thrive in these conditions and if the leader of such a country has dreams of being a global powerhouse, destroying alliances which pose a challenge to his supremacy would be his number 1 aim.

The wide reach of Russia's efforts to manipulate America's electoral processes, in conjunction with Republican complicity, shows how much was at stake and the numerous obstacles the Dem candidate faced. Popular narratives that 2016 was "easily winnable" are false and diminish the seriousness of Kremlin interference and Republican corruption/complicity.

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"The 2 ways Russia may have helped Trump steal the election aren't what you think" (Original Post) JHan Jul 2018 OP
k and r and bookmarking. there is only so much I can take in this morning. niyad Jul 2018 #1
Me too, niyad Wwcd Jul 2018 #5
I understand. We've been under assault everyday with this administration. JHan Jul 2018 #8
I hear ya, niyad. Cha Jul 2018 #13
Same here, niyad Hekate Jul 2018 #14
This article and the associated links deserve serious study. TygrBright Jul 2018 #2
Yep. It also challenges some popular narratives about 2016... JHan Jul 2018 #9
K&R, bookmarked uponit7771 Jul 2018 #3
Rec. bookmarking for later n/t emulatorloo Jul 2018 #4
I wouldn't totally dismiss that votes were changed when the number of votes... brush Jul 2018 #6
I'm with you here. Why do people work so hard to try Solomon Jul 2018 #17
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #7
The MSM edhopper Jul 2018 #10
Very important thread, JHan. brer cat Jul 2018 #11
K&R! Bookmarked! Cha Jul 2018 #12
KnRnB. Thanks. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #15
Electronic election theft would be VERY GOOD news, imo. Hortensis Jul 2018 #16
Bookmarked and recommended. nt TexasTowelie Jul 2018 #18
K&R and bookmarked! smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #19


(20,756 posts)
2. This article and the associated links deserve serious study.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jul 2018

Which, alas, means they'll get pushed aside and ignored in favor of one-syllable-word "talking points" media bytes.



(53,764 posts)
6. I wouldn't totally dismiss that votes were changed when the number of votes...
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jul 2018

needed in three states, some 70k, was just enough to swing the Electoral College to trump.

There had to be some calculation there to get just enough votes for trump to "win".

Vote suppression and hacking into voter registration rolls undoubted helped but we know from history that the repugs work as many dirty trick angles they can think of to win which is why I wouldn't dismiss such a tempting target as easily hacked voting machines, or better yet, easily hacked vote counting.


(12,310 posts)
17. I'm with you here. Why do people work so hard to try
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:12 AM
Jul 2018

to prove no votes were changed? I think they used every tool they could including switching or suppressing a few votes in three key states. They knew they couldn't get the majority win, but they figured out how to manufacture an electoral win.


(33,562 posts)
10. The MSM
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:37 PM
Jul 2018

is so afraid to question the results.
They act as if questioning the integity of the election is worse than the integrity actually being trashed.


(58,785 posts)
16. Electronic election theft would be VERY GOOD news, imo.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:36 AM
Jul 2018

Our biggest problem by far isn't Putin or the Koch types, it's the electorate. Electronic theft would mean partisan craziness and fecklessness were less than 2016 suggests. It would be a clear, measurable cause that everyone could understand from an external enemy that most would unite against.

A president who was not only not legally elected but put in power as an act of warfare by a foreign nation could also conceivably force legal fixes, such as new elections, currently totally unheard of and without mechanism. If Trump wasn't elected, neither was Pence. What about the rest of the successors? Were the Republican majorities in congress created by election warfare?

It would create new awareness of the dangers of a repeat on November 6. And it would, of course, also force all states to go to new, secure, auditable voting systems.

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