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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was a big fan, but Ocasio-Cortez is starting to get on my nerves.
I wasn't happy to hear she was going in to Kansas with Bernie Sanders to campaign against Lacy Clay, a progressive CBC member, but I'm furious that she's campaigning against Sharice Davids, a progressive gay, Native American woman.
I expect this from Sanders, but Ocasio-Cortez really needs to get some better advice and chill.
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SunSeeker
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DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Maybe Cortez is following through with her pledge to "fight from the bottom" and is supporting candidates that are strong on workers' rights across the board – and not cherry-picking color/sex.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Seriously?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)And has no fucking connection to racism nor sexism. Get a dictionary and a grip.
I totally agree with you
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)I agree with you too!
George II
(67,782 posts)
RandySF
(84,291 posts)and Ocasio-Cortez is campaigning against all three. How is Effieblack's criticism racist?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just made me smile. We are America's races' party.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)Effie's comment was clearly not racist
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)I have no idea what any of these candidates actually stand for and no one in this discussion has mentioned their credentials or platform. To make a case that Cortez is being sexist or racist because she is supporting a candidate who happens to be white is the very definition of prejudice. She has stated reoeatedly, and her work with Bernie Sanders reinforces this, that she's interested in PEOPLE's rights, WORKERS rights, and the best candidates to make change happen.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)And I never accused her of being racist or sexist. I just gave my opinion that she made mistakes, which I attributed to her lack of experience in politics. Hopefully I am right and she will correct course. But it does not look like she is making any corrections...
George II
(67,782 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)how?
xmas74
(30,058 posts)Of Congress.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)i.e., has been in Congress long enough to know how to get things done, so out he must go, no matter how liberal or effective he is ...
(Apparently, only one person is allowed to be around for more than 20 minutes . . .)
xmas74
(30,058 posts)He now has to waste time and money on.a primary when he could be campaigning for others or,heaven forbid ,do his job.
I just don't understand the run for the "new and shiny" when sometimes someone with a well.established record is exactly what we need. I'm glad to see I am not the only one angry about this.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)Or otherwise people will leave the party or not vote. This thread seems to be angry that someone is backing a different candidate yet I don't care who endorses a candidate in a primary I may not vote as much but would vote in a general election of course but we need all of our voices in a primary. Some are further to the right than some Republicans even in their own state. I have no opinion of this race just speaking generally.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Not trustworthy. Her fundraising off the phony Crowley thing is just soooo wrong.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)They're booking her for interviews that she doesn't seem fully prepped for as well.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Their campaigns are managed and directed by the organization. The political party with which the candidate chooses to run is not determined by that party's fundamental platform or ideology. (The organization considers itself to be post partisan.) The plan is to win by challenging "safe party" seats by running in the primaries of the party more likely to win.
Candidates are vetted by the group in several stages and must sign a pledge. Individual candidates do not have autonomy in how their campaigns are run, and the degree of assistance and coordination that they will accept from the local Democratic party (or Republican Party, if the BNC candidate is running as a Republican) is unclear.
When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fund raise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.
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BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)and ambushed by a well-funded campaign of dubious origin. Which is what it appeared to be from the first news about it. All of this is very interesting but also disturbing as I have personal memories of a similar organization that ran a similar candidate nationally in 1992. I'm not going to mention the organization, the candidate (who is still alive and whom I met at the time) or the Svenlgali behind the whole thing, as my post would surely be deleted, but it was very deceptive and this particular campaign is deja vu all over again.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)This allowed BNC to take advantage of party resources and institutional expertise while still only having, at best, a marginal connection to the party itself. As BNC founder and director of communications Trent Corbin has stated:
Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat
They've found a ballot access loophole, and they're exploiting it for everything it is worth. What BNC is neglecting to disclose, however, is that the infrastructure that the party has set up is funded by donations to the party, some of which come from corporations and superpacs.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)So the whole "not a corporate candidate" line is a load of bs? I wouldn't call that cheerful news or even surprising but oddly enough none of the posters here singing her praises have gotten around to mentioning it.
Cha
(319,076 posts)Broad brushing for his own agenda.. we've seen that before.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)And I'm guessing this is not a position that would be endorsed by a majority of Democratic voters in Crowley's district.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)missed your post. I just happened see it when I was looking for a place to drop this..
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George II
(67,782 posts)....he voted for Jill Stein.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)is also a co-founder of BNC.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others".
Celerity
(54,408 posts)Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hurts the party, Congress and even America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vote-joe-crowley-for-working-families-1531868231
By Joe Lieberman
July 17, 2018 6:57 p.m. ET
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise primary victory over Rep. Joe Crowley seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party. It doesn’t have to. Because the policies Ms. Ocasio-Cortez advocates are so far from the mainstream, her election in November would make it harder for Congress to stop fighting and start fixing problems. Thanks to a small percentage of primary votes, all of the people of New York’s 14th Congressional District stand to lose a very effective representative in Washington.
Fortunately, Joe Crowley and the voters in his district can prevent this damage. On Election Day, his name will be on the ballot as the endorsed candidate of the Working Families Party. But for Mr. Crowley to have a chance at getting re-elected, he will have to decide if he wants to remain an active candidate. I hope he does.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is a proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America, whose platform, like hers, is more Socialist than Democratic. Her dreams of new federal spending would bankrupt the country or require very large tax increases, including on the working class. Her approach foresees government ownership of many private companies, which would decimate the economy and put millions out of work.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t speak much about foreign policy during the primary, but when she did, it was from the DSA policy book—meaning support for socialist governments, even if they are dictatorial and corrupt (Venezuela), opposition to American leadership in the world, even to alleviate humanitarian disasters (Syria), and reflexive criticism of one of America’s great democratic allies (Israel).
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Celerity
(54,408 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)encouraging ppl to vote for Ocasio Cortez.
I know how hard it is for him to take himself off the WFP line, but it wouldn’t be that hard to write a piece saying thanks Joe, but please don’t vote for me, I’m not running and fully support the Democratic nominee.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)people on Twitter who are following him. Especially after LIEberman’s piece in WSJ. Would be a great place to say support Ocasio Cortez not him. That would be much clearer to the people he rejects LIEberman’s suggestion and show his support of the Dem nominee.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)None of the local papers are carrying this story. This is political news for people who focus on political news. In other words, not ordinary voters.
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)support Ocasio Cortez or even make a vehement rejection of Lieberman suggestion. Not I’m not running. But don’t vote for me - vote for OC. Will he?
George II
(67,782 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They are major shit stirrers and will do whatever it takes to divide Dems.
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)If he wanted to reach those people.
Agree there are plenty of shit stirrerstrying to divide Dems. Probably disagree on who those are. But whatever.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)I live in the area and am active in the state party. I haven't heard that, and I'm not seeing it here in NY.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)See this thread for instance. Lots of 'right up to the line' positing, in the OP and some of the replies.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210889876
such as
He can win and change back to Dem. That happens some. Bernie runs in the Dem primary in Vermont, win it, then run in the General free if a democrat.
That all said, I do see that Crowley is NOT playing ball with this at all, so hopefully there will not be any further issues after Liebermans's pop-off.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)Crowley is a Democrat, so he is not 3rd party.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)There was a primary, the people chose, so to go back for multiple bites at the apple is a waste of time.
Bernie runs in the Democratic primary, then flips back to indy when he wins. I have seen here, in my short time that people hate this, but he runs against other Democratic candidates only in the primary, just like Crowley ran against AOC in the primary.
Its bad precedent to start splitting up the votes and trying to re-do legit Democratic primaries in the general. If this became commonplace say hello to to a 275 or 300 plus seat Republican caucus in the House and 70-30 plus Republican majority in the Senate within 4 to 6 years.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)to Independent intentionally doesn't really have much leeway to judge others or establish "precedent" for others except to admit that they use the system for their own benefit. I bet there are plenty of good Democrats in Vermont who are electable and could do a great job, but the adaptation started by Sanders' apparently works there.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say that an Independent elected can't switch back to Democrat after an election, and Crowley is known in his district, so it's not like a Democrat won't be serving. Plus, he is not doing it intentionally like Sanders. It was circumstantial from a leftover endorsement by the WFP. This is much ado about nothing.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)as anyone can run against him in the primary. Sanders is also a member of the Democratic caucus in the Senate (as he was in the House) and votes with the Democrats more than all but a few actual Democrats so other than a label, I see little to quibble over. IF Sanders ran and lost in the Democratic primary and THEN ran as an Indy or 3rd ticket, I would not be happy at all, but he has not done that. That would a Joe Lieberman move, who ironically is the one calling for Crowley to do just that.
To be clear here, I am not a Sanders supporter, and I hope he doesn't run in 2020, but I will stick up for the right of AOC to not be sore-losered. New York voting laws seem pretty bad to me, and need to be fixed to avoid all this crap. I do not live there (SoCal LA girl here) so it cannot be people like me who can do this.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)a Democrat, but he switches labels. Obviously he sees some benefit in distinguishing himself as an Independent, so saying it doesn't matter is wrong because it does matter to him, which is why he switches.
Crowley was a safe seat in a Democratic district, and it was Cortez who challenged it. Obviously we see some of the unanticipated blowback or quirks from what can happen when you want to primary safe districts. This is a quirk that can't be blamed on someone intentionally trying to "sore loser" her. She is also out actively campaigning against other safe seat Democrats, so her concern over having competition herself is rather specious.
Let's be real here, too. Crowley made a pledge that he would endorse her if he lost, but she made no such pledge in return. She said she would have to consult her group of New Congress or some such name to decide. So there's no real reason to slam Crowley anymore. It looks like Cortez is getting a lesson in the reality of politics.
I know what you mean about New York politics. It is very confusing. I have learned a lot from the posts of lapucelle and George II who live there and can give us more info on some of the quirky things we are seeing.
Cha
(319,076 posts)that Idiot Joe Liberman says.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)at your own peril.
He and they already had a substantial material impact in a major Illinois race, where they pumped in over one million dollars to push anti-immigrant, anti LGBTQ, pro life Dan Lipinski over Marie Newman, who had the backing of many powerful mainstream Democratic PACS, such as EMILY'S List (one of their very few primary losses), March On, MoveOn.org, NOW, Indivisible, Planned Parenthood, Illinois Federation of Teachers, SEIU, National Nurses United (the largest nationals nurses union)Feminist Majority,NARAL, The Human Rights Campaign, etc.
These PAC's affiliated with Lieberman and his ilk have pledged to dump in at least 50 million dollars into primary races, with a good chunk of it going to so-called 'moderate' Republicans. Many of the Democratic candidates they endorse (Lipinski being a perfect example) fundamentally disagree with significant parts of our Democratic party's overall platform.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)in the GE in Tennessee. What Lieberman associated PACS are you talking about?
Celerity
(54,408 posts)Bipartisan ‘No Labels’ group’s super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/bipartisan-no-labels-2018-super-pac-network-chicago-donors/
With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.
One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS don’t link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.
The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. These super PACs are stockpiling money for “independent expenditures,” which cannot be made in coordination with the campaigns or candidates the super PACs are trying to help.
Representatives of No Labels did not respond to calls and emails from the Sun-Times asking for comment. At one time the organization was not so mysterious about its political plans for this off-year election. In December 2016, No Labels announced it wanted to raise $50 million for super PAC giving to what it considered centrist contenders running in 2018.
Since then, No Labels has been appealing to mega donors from both parties.
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Bipartisan 'No Labels' group aims to protect moderates in primary fights
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/380030-bipartisan-no-labels-aims-to-protect-moderates-facing-primary-fights
The bipartisan No Labels group is looking to expand its fight for political moderates to more than a dozen primaries this year after being emboldened by Rep. Daniel Lipinski’s (D-Ill.) primary victory last week. No Labels is planning an aggressive effort to spend tens of millions of dollars to protect moderates in both parties from primary challenges, in an attempt to give incumbents incentives not to cater to the party grass roots who typically dominate primary contests. No Labels says its fight to save moderates in both parties is vital to combatting Washington gridlock.
“Most people in Congress don’t care what most people think. What they care about is what is the narrow slice of their primary voters — which, for about 9 of 10 Congress-people, is the only election that matters — what do they think?” said Ryan Clancy, the chief strategist at No Labels. “Until the center gets some political organization, until it has some capacity to fend off the influence of the extremes on both sides, there’s no realistic way out of this mess.”
Lipinski, a Blue Dogs co-chair and staunch opponent of abortion rights, has often clashed with his caucus on issues like ObamaCare and the DREAM Act. Lipinski barely won his primary on Tuesday night after a strong challenge from Marie Newman, a first-time candidate who was backed from the left.
A coalition of major progressive groups like MoveOn.org, Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America joined in to spend more than $1.6 million to paint Lipinski as a “Democrat-in-name-only” and build out an effort for Newman on the ground. The group’s ads compared Lipinski to President Trump, highlighting Lipinski’s votes against benefits for same-sex marriages and against allowing abortions in cases of rape and incest.
No Labels countered with a nine-month, $1 million effort boosting Lipinski through its allied super PAC, United for Progress. The super PAC spent money on voter targeting, placed media, mailers, digital ads and a get-out-the-vote campaign, according to Federal Election Commission filings.
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What Election Is Joe Lieberman Watching? The centrist fantasies of his glib, nonpartisan No Labels group aren’t the cure for today’s angry politics. They’re the target.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/no_labels_centrist_fantasies_are_the_problem_not_the_solution.html
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:24 AM - Edit history (1)
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katenocera/hard-right-and-hard-left-flock-to-no-labelsLynn Sweet's article is (as usual) an excellent primer on the superpacs related to No Labels and the unfortunate affect that one superpac's spending had on the IL primary. Voters want to know who is spending money on which political causes. That's why so many people are troubled by dark money groups like Our Revolution.
The 2016 Slate article is an interesting opinion piece; however, although Newell has expressed his disdain for third party voters and "never Hillary" non-voters, he has insisted that neither Jill Stein nor James Comey (or a combination of the two) tipped the race in Trump's favor. Your linked article concerned the 2016 presidential election and the author's skepticism that collegiality in Congress was either possible or even desired by an increasingly polarized electorate.
As for the article in The Hill, it's author is certainly not above stoking division and third party fervor. I guess that's one way to get your opinion glanced at and register those register those revenue generating clicks.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289859-third-party-support-surging
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/318354-green-party-blasts-dems-on-devos-confirmation
Unlike Brand New Congress, United for Progress Inc. is not a pac; it's a superpac. As such, it cannot require signed loyalty pledges from individual candidates. Nor can it require that the candidates it micromanages relinquish individual control of their own campaigns to the collective.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)
That article you posted was from 5 years ago, long before they started going after people in the 2018 races via their umbrella groups of dark money gathered from a bi-partisan base of high wealth donors.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)He probably has enough work ahead of him trying to hold the House Progressive Caucus together if Brand New Congress manages to elect its candidates. Just what we need. A Brand New Version of the Freedom Caucus. Keith must be thrilled
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/ocasio-cortez-advocates-for-progressive-sub-caucus/index.html
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/397244-ocasio-cortez-floating-progressive-sub-caucus
Celerity
(54,408 posts)I am far more concerned about the Republicans than a bunch of intramural infighting in our Party. It hurts us as a whole. The Republicans manage to keep themselves together whilst we do circular firing squads.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)do you mean organizations like Brand New Congress who primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts rather than take on weakened incumbent Republicans who we are working to unseat?
We could use some help here on LI where we have two excellent, dynamic, young Democratic candidates trying to flip Peter King and Lee Zeldin's seats. It would be great if a young Latina congressional GE candidate joined us one of these weeks in front of Rep. King's office for one of our regular anti-family separation rallies.
But alas, our candidates have not pledged fealty and relinquished control to the BNC collective, and they are well past battling other Democrats for a place on the ballot other Democrats (the congressional GE season has been upon us in NY for a full four weeks), so our Democrats are not eligible for support from BNC candidates.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)I think we can do both, and the reason we have primaries is to give people a choice on who they want to represent our party and themselves in Congress. If a person, any person, including sitting Congress people or candidates who are running feels as though a candidate in a primary is to their liking more than another, than they are free, by all means, to go ahead and support that candidate. That is how democracy works. I support people I like and think will do well, others may agree or disagree.
You mention Peter King's opponent in the general. Her name is Liuba Grechen Shirley, and she was and is supported by the progressives, including a Bernie Sanders related group.. She beat DuWayne Gregory by a pretty wide margin.
https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/congress-primaries-long-island-1.19430375
“We are trying to use primaries to push more progressive candidates because the party doesn’t seem willing to support them” except in races that Democrats aren’t expected to win, said Widelec
Our party is a big enough tent to contain all types of members, and each district or state is different, so may the best person win.
We don't have a feudal nobility system where people are granted political power for life. Incumbents get primaried all the time. Sometimes (in fact most times, in large percentages) they win again, sometimes they lose.
As for AOC and separated families, I think she is already doing a lot in terms of this. I really like her, so do almost all my friends in my age cohort, and she is around my age as well, (she is 5 years older) and energetic, charismatic, I like a lot of what she stands for in terms of her platform. I identify with her as a fellow woman of color. I love the fact she is also a Democratic party member like I am, and soon (hopefully!) in our Congress.
Here is just one of dozens of immigrant-separation related things (here she went to an actual camp in Texas) she has done and is doing.
Candidate for Congress visits Texas tent city, wants to abolish ICE
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-Texas-abolish-ICE-camp-13030481.php#photo-15758187
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Celerity
(54,408 posts)She surely will have the support of the more left leaning side of the progressives as well.
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/liuba-grechen-shirley/
I just looked into the 1st district
Perry Gershon sounds really great too and seems to be running as a progressive. I confess to not knowing so much about this as I am on the other coast from NY (LA).
https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/first-congressional-district-democratic-primary-1.19330994
Browning said her position is based on her experience growing up in Northern Ireland, where she said her sister almost died waiting for a medical procedure under the nationalized health care system.
Gershon, 56, an East Hampton businessman, said he can unite the Democratic base after the primary while appealing to moderate Republicans and independents attracted by his private sector experience. “I can energize progressives and drive turnout, and capture crossover voters,” he said.
seems (from cursory glance) like the best Dem won. Maybe you have more insight.
I certainly don't see anything so far why a progressive organisation would be against him.
I would love to know more about that primary.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)and we take nothing for granted.
The Trump "tax cuts" hit Long Islanders hard. We pay high property taxes and a state income tax as well. Those taxes used to be deductible from federal income taxes, but they no longer are under the new tax code. People here are angry enough to boot even long term incumbent Republicans.
We flipped my county blue last year with a slate of young Democratic women. One is holding a town supervisor office that hasn't been held by a Democrat in over 100 years...and it's no small town. More people live there than in the state of New Hampshire and the city of Seattle.
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)Joe Liberman was a poor choice to make it. That guy did more damage the democrats than Sanders ever could.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)downthread. I posted thsi reply (the one you responded to) to show that there were actual high powered people urging Crowley to run against AOC on a 3rd party challenge, as many seem to think the idea was simply made up out of whole cloth and imagination.
PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)Anyway, Crowley conceded. He sang Born to Run.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)I was very excited, but now I suspect she’s getting some bad advice. I can hardly wait for her to go to work though.
trueblue2007
(19,251 posts)I think she should mind her own business and campaign in her own state.
George II
(67,782 posts)
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)She needs to focus on winning her seat, especially with Crowley now potentially splitting Dem votes.
onenote
(46,142 posts)after winning the primary.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to her excitement at time. Hope she stays focused. I know she’s supposedly in a safe district, but still.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)
AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)I’ll give her a benefit of the doubt. This is not the time to bash dems including cortez.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)
oasis
(53,693 posts)in so short a period?
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Brand New Congress functions as a monolith.
BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.
All candidates pledge to run the same , unified campaign.
When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fund raise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)RandySF
(84,291 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)as what a gopher?
Ocasio-Cortez - 28 years old age in 2009 18 to 19
Ted Kennedy deceased since 2009
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)AOC is burning some bridges and this could hurt her with respect to committee assignments
renegade000
(2,301 posts)This might be a case of Our Revolution "rushing a prospect," as the baseball term goes.
They got so excited over the high-profile win and her star potential that they just threw her into the majors immediately.
In baseball, this usually is avoided because it almost never goes well for either the team or the player's career.
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renegade000
(2,301 posts)Hope Sharice Davids pulls it out!
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)He worked for that endorsement behind the scenes.
It's more of a case of Our Revolution not actually looking at other candidates but rather going with the Sanders crony. The guy who worked on Sanders' campaign, who wasn't even born in the state, and whom saw a seat that was flippable and decided to run for it.
This is more them using their "rising star" to help promote their crony pick. It shows that she doesn't have her own free will to support a candidate.
DURHAM D
(33,054 posts)I have been over her for several days. She has made several really stupid decisions.
LisaM
(29,634 posts)I really think she should not campaign against Gretchen Whitmer.
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nini
(16,830 posts)I have no use for her.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)posted here.
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)That’s a complete deal breaker for me.
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)I could see how desperate she was to get her name out there before winning the primary.
That Greenwald continues to this day to report, Russia didn't interfere with our election. I can only hope she doesn't listen to him.
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)Unfucking believable. She thought that this would be a good thing?
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)I'm trying to move past the '16 primary divisions. So I'll give Ocasio-Cortez the benefit of the doubt.
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)I am well past 2016. This is 2018 and we have a traitor in the WH and she interviews with Greenwald? She thinks this is a good way to get rid of him. Tell me why?
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)Just hope she can see her mistake and be best. 
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)thanks, rogue emissary.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)That running with the OR playbook is ultimately counterproductive. Greenwald is a huge, huge negative for me, because it doesn’t take much research to expose him for the disgusting little creep he is. It tells me she is limiting her information resources. I believe this will change as she gets into congress. It has too, or she will lose all effectiveness.
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:28 PM - Edit history (1)
That's my worst fear about her.
Hopefully, she'll find a rep or senator to mentor her. Guide her and help her set standards of who she'll grant an interview. Hell, Bernie was smart enough to stay away from Greenwald.
kcr
(15,522 posts)The alert brigade on DU in full force, so you have to be careful what you say now, which is typical. But, yeah. Not hard to draw some conclusions.
rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)renegade000
(2,301 posts)Yikes! 
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)those dividers aren’t mainstream. Greenwald ??! Toxic. She should have known to stay away.
PufPuf23
(9,853 posts)may be best to not post anything.
DURHAM D
(33,054 posts)I don't recall any elections on DU for speech controller.
PufPuf23
(9,853 posts)Democratic party candidates.
But as you know and Orwell pointed out in Animal Farm, some are more equal than others.
That may be the main reason why we lose elections we should win.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)Seriously, though. Maybe some of the Dems being criticized should take that advice.
PufPuf23
(9,853 posts)That is silly.
kcr
(15,522 posts)
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)No one is being attacked or bashed it seems.
moriah
(8,312 posts)If you have issues beyond that or want clarification about criticism of general election candidates' (as AOC won her primary) involvement in other primary races is a violation of the rules, the best place to ask them is in the Ask the Administrators forum, not suggest that forum moderation is rigged in favor of "more equal" Democrats in a thread.
Have a lovely day!
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)in primaries outside the district in which she is running.
We are usually protective of incumbents but she has issues with Democratic incumbents
As an aside I would like to know if she is campaigning for any Democratic incumbents or just their challengers?
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)I think that once GE races begin, they will endorses only candidates who ascribe to their platform, which may include a limited number of incumbents.
According to the Brand New Congress FAQ page, individual candidates (including AOC) have little autonomy in running their own campaigns.
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)According to BNC founder (who is also AOC's spokesman) Corbin Trent :
Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Support does not equal blind and unquestioning leadership.
I supported Hillary and gave her my vote and time, but still questioned and was disappointed in some things she did.
roscoeroscoe
(1,825 posts)Unforced errors. Unfortunate.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)and there's not a damned thing Bernie can do to help her there.
George II
(67,782 posts)....one of the easiest going members of the Democratic Caucus, says quite a bit.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)“She’s carrying on and she ain’t gonna make friends that way,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.). “Joe conceded, wished her well, said he would support her … so she doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.”
“She’s not asking my advice,” he added, “[but] I would do it differently, rather than make enemies of people.”
Asked if Ocasio-Cortez is, indeed, making enemies of fellow Democrats, Pascrell didn’t hesitate.
“Yes,” he said. “No doubt about it.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397333-ocasio-cortez-draws-ire-from-democrats-meteors-fizz-out
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)She is hurting her district
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)she has not been seated in Congress yet but seems to be the official spokesperson for the Democratic Party. How can this be ?
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)If she would focus on her messaging for her district, regardless of her Democratic Socialist views, it would not be news worthy other than her defeating a high ranking incumbent in the primary. Since she keeps arguing with people in her own party, the news covers it because infighting sells ads.
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)That said.
The Kansas Progressive, a local diary for Daily Kos, says Sanders is “big footing” women candidates. She writes,”the optics of two east coasters coming into two separate districts to campaign for two white guys is bad. There is no way to spin it.”
“Welder faces two women in his primary. His main challenger, Sharice Davids is the face of Democrats today. Her mother was an Army drill sergeant. Davids grew up in a single parent household, attended a Kansas community college, and earned her law degree at Cornell. She worked as a fellow in the Obama White House, crafting high-level policy. She is Native American, a former MMA fighter, and an out lesbian,” the post says. “She is also a committed progressive. Welder's followers have criticized a $360,000 ad buy from Women's Voice, an Emily's List-linked PAC. They have also linked the Emily's List endorsement to the Sander's visit. Emily's List endorsed Davids on May 24, 2018, but the Sanders campaign stop was announced just this past week, facts which they simply ignore.”
This reflects a broader discussion in the Democratic party about just who is “progressive” and who is “establishment.” A survey by the Brookings Institution has monitored candidates in every single congressional race in the country. “So far we’ve looked at over 1600 Senate and House candidates in nearly 600 races,” write Elaine Kamarck, Alexander R. Podkul, and Nicholas W. Zeppos. “On the Democratic side there is an enormous outpouring of energy on the left (and) … many more Democratic candidates are running for Congress in 2018 than in either of the two previous cycles. And of those Democrats running, many more are identifying themselves as ‘progressive.’”
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/a-vice-president-now-bernie-sanders-sharice-davids-race-is-getting-attention-OXB9pDdgS0eQTtFuhtFFbg/
Cha
(319,076 posts)Sharice Davids sounds just like the kind of Rep Kansas District 3 needs!
Pathetic! Of course they "ignore them..
Link to tweet
Best of Luck to Sharice Davids for Congress!
sheshe2
(97,629 posts)I want her to win for us all.
bigtree
(94,263 posts)...I really doubt she's said one word about the lady.
There's like four people in that race and Bernie's senior advisor is ahead of the lady in the polls.
What seems to be the problem is that she chose another candidate than you wanted her to. But is it really that unusual for Ocasio-Cortez to campaign for a former senior staffer for Bernie? No it's not. She was/is a big Sanders supporter.
It may well be upsetting to you that she didn't back your choice in that election, but it's not campaigning against your choice, as much as it is campaigning for her choice.
Remember, this support tour of hers includes not only candidates of like-political mind, but Democratic candidates who also supported her own bid. Banding together in support against a backdrop of big money donations and influence is grass roots advocacy which is a natural haven for newcomers without connections or major funding. Davids, for instance, enjoys some $400k in Emily's List money.
It's really just a campaign sweep, perhaps inflated a bit with help from hype and hyperventilating. The Kansas race will be one of a few that week that Ocasio-Cortez visits. There's really less here than meets a partisan eye.
G_j
(40,569 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)friend of dirty trickster Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I do not trust a single one of that bunch. For some reason, he retweets her. Now watching what she’s doing, I wonder if she’s trying to undermine the Democratic Party.
I want to like her. I do like her. I like her platform. It’s her actions that trouble me; that, and a few of her friends.
lostnfound
(17,520 posts)She popped up out of nowhere.
VOX
(22,976 posts)The thoughts in your last paragraph are identical to my take on her. The fact that she needs to be watched is a negative from the get-go.
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)@Credico2016 retweets/promotes Ocasio for some reason.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)He is not a nice person
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)When she discovers what happens to a freshman house member who has pissed off many more senior caucus members. Well, can’t wait to see her committee assignments.
Not a damn thing Sanders nor OR can do since she is their one shining winner and will have few natural allies.
Maybe she will get serious about the work of actually legislating. But I’m afraid after her victory tour that will seem boring to her.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Democrats get excited to vote for a person that they perceive as embodying the Democratic platform. And then the Democratic “Establishment” steps in and punishes the constituents because of... What? Petulance? Jealousy? Fear? Ocasio is punished because she had the gall to run against an incumbent?
Because she had the temerity to run for office?
If that’s the mainstream attitude of the people running our party, then we should all be prepared to lose big time in other elections.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)How are we supposed to get some new people into Congress, if new people don't run, especially against incumbents?
This is old, old rhetoric..."It's too soon for that, we need to wait."
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Traveling across country to do it.
Ocasio needs to be at home learning what the people she seeks to represent want of her.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)The first time I heard her name was when Mika was ranting about how superior Ocasio-Cortez' campaign was to other democrats & how OC won without mentioning trump's name much, if at all. Um ok... That same night, trump praised her and bashed Crowley. But after reassurances, I brushed away my concerns. Now day after day it's one story after another about how she's trying to help primary this or that person. It's very odd to me.
What I'd tell her if we met: Slow down! You are new here. I have a great deal of respect for you and your accomplishments, but as a newcomer, you still have to earn our trust (especially considering your association with unsavory types like Glenn Greenwald! Do you not know any better?!)!
Once you've earned our trust, then you can start to disrupt-- and we won't have to question your motives.
Until then, focus on learning the job inside and out. Make sure you are prepared to do the best you can at your job. Get informed on all the issues. Get your facts straight prior to tweeting and making statements. Focus on unity.
Those are the types of actions that gain trust and support nationwide.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ocasio-Cortez won the Democratic primary. She is the Democratic candidate. Time to rally behind her!
kcr
(15,522 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Criticizing her choices and actions isn't "bashing."
But I'm glad you're speaking to me again. I've missed you!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It questions whether a democrat should be campaigning against other democrats far from home. I really hope the President Obama or Joe Biden enter on Sharices side, though my guess is they won't (Biden did enter the IA03 primary and the woman he backed romped to victory, since Sharice was a White House fellow in the Obama Administration, maybe).
brush
(61,033 posts)incumbent Dems in other states.
Why not get elected first?
OR seems to be using her celebrity before she even wins an election.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Not be complacent. That's what I heard.
pnwmom
(110,261 posts)She prefers someone with a much smaller chance of beating the Republican candidate.
So I'm NOT going to rally behind her.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)
Squinch
(59,522 posts)PoorMonger
(844 posts)But I think she wants to be a leader of a progressive bloc that would be like a left freedom caucus and I don’t think that would be that good for getting things done when we have a chance again.
Retrograde
(11,419 posts)after winning a primary with a low turnout. There's a very good chance that she will be elected in November - but there still is a Republican candidate to deal with, and her actions are giving him some good ammunition.
Sure, she's new. Everyone in Congress was there once. IMHO she'd be better off getting to know her prospective district and its issues rather than running around the country acting like the New Bernie. I've read her Wikipedia page, and there are some things there that make me wonder just how much she comprehends how NYS politics work - let alone national politics. She seems to have already burned a bridge with Crowley: is she going to alienate other potential allies now that she's in the national spotlight?
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Love her.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)She knows the working class is getting screwed royally and is waging war on the 1%ers... good for her!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)You seem to have answers?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)
JHan
(10,173 posts)I don't think that's asking too much.
If you don't know who Clay is, and his record, yet think he should be removed because someone you like is challenging him, then clearly personalities are more important to you than substance.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts) Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Maybe fall out of line and find a reason.
It's not just undignified not to know. Trump shows that mindless, clueless following of a politician can be genuinely dangerous.
I learn everything I can about candidates I'm interested in. Including what's wrong with those they oppose for what it tells me about them.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Imo, you need a much better reason than, "I never said that." No one's saying you did.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)How can I be supporting something that I never said I supported? Can't wait to hear that one!! Are you a mind reader?
Please stop...you're only embarrassing yourself.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)for NY's 14th Congressional District. Don't we all?!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts)
Tarheel Tarheel_Dem
(31,454 posts) RandySF
(84,291 posts)Imagine bursting on the national scene at her age, being egged on by tweeters who have nothing to lose.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)rockfordfile
(8,742 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)RandySF
(84,291 posts)He was a Missouri delegate in 2016 when he told the Post-Dispatch that the stolen DNC emails were proof that Hillary's nomination was "rigged". He also praised Jill Stein in 2017 and admitted that he almost voted for her against Hillary and Trump.
Cha
(319,076 posts)of why Sharice Davids is a better choice for Kansas District 3.
Mostly, though, it's because of who Sharice is..
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/a-vice-president-now-bernie-sanders-sharice-davids-race-is-getting-attention-OXB9pDdgS0eQTtFuhtFFbg/
sheshe https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10889204pnwmom
(110,261 posts)Adam Smith has been an intelligent, steady progressive and we should keep him in Congress.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)Glad she replaced Crowley.
George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)zentrum
(9,870 posts)...the Establishment has lost power for the Democrats at every level of government.
This crisis requires that we step out of all complaceny.
"Complaceny"---that's another word for Establishment, BTW.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)I don't understand this sentence. What or who is the Establishment? Can you please explain?
betsuni
(29,078 posts)You need new words to scare us with. Halloween is only a few months away.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)....she was closer to the demographic of her district, to start.
Passionate, young Latina female. The future.
Party obviously needs new energy, new thinking and really galvanizing candidates and policies.
She's for Medicare for all, universal basic income and/or a guaranteed federal job for everyone, more neighborhood protection from NY real estate and more economic stimulus aimed at the middle. Will she get it? No. But the point is for the Democrats to at least start talking courageously about these things so we can build the support and start defining the frame. The Repugs seeded their ideas for 40 years before they got where they are.
I read that the word "socialism" is now playing well in the midwest, given how forgotten they feel.
She's a great speaker---in the Warren tradition.
A return to the great FDR, Mayor La Guardia and Vito Marcantonio. Cortez, deLeon, Schiff---that's our future and the sooner space is made for them the better.
And yeah---Crowley had strong ties to Wall Street, and a 3M war chest. She had $30 at a pop small donations. And they turned out for her.
The establishment has proven incapable of putting Dems in power at all levels. The House, the Senate, the WH, the courts. Something is really wrong. Why would we do more of the same and hope something to change?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)... small wonder she won decisively over Crowley.
zentrum
(9,870 posts)vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)I understand wanting to back your own guy or gal. But giving lip and such isn't needed. I know she's a democrat, but she needs to leave bad mouthing be. But she is getting on my nerves
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I want her to win.
George II
(67,782 posts)Apparently she's not up to speed on Israeli-Palestinian history and relations, and she said that the reason unemployment is low is because many people have two jobs. WHAT? After the first job a person is no longer considered unemployed, regardless of any other jobs that person has.
I can get the links if anyone is interested.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)There is a huge difference between employment and unemployment, and this is pretty simple and fundamental. The fact that she doesn't understand this simple an economic concept is concerning.
RandySF
(84,291 posts)
CBHagman
(17,493 posts)...I always say that person or group will make mistakes. It's just the nature of things.
And I don't say that to crush people's hopes.
RandySF
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Enjoy your stay.
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)because you've had enough with "divisive crap" and used your third post to tell a DUer "who cares what you think?"
As I said, enjoy your stay.
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Cha
(319,076 posts)a lot of people on her thread.
You're being rude.
nini
(16,830 posts)So she's affecting ore than her district at the moment.
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Not her district, not her state - who cares what she thinks?
Divisive is in the eye of the beholder.
LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)She needs to get back in district, and win her seat.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)And that's important...why?
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melman
(7,681 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)She has a general election coming and she has an opponent. As a U.S. legislator she is going to have to argue bills, policy, on the House floor.
melman
(7,681 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)This is something that I don't even understand about a certain segment of the left, being a lefty myself. I'm only speaking for myself but this doesn't even appeal to me at all. I'm not at all interested in reaching out to their side. And when they argue that they're so much better than the Dems they're primarying and attacking yet cozy on up to these right-wingers they're reaching out to, it looks hypocritical to me. I don't get it. Then they end up saying things like her William F Buckley jr comment that are just, WTF? Being eviscerated by the conservative press is the least of her worries. I don't get why some of my fellow progressives eat this shit up. It's a total turn off for me.
LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)Saying "I'm not a geopolitical expert" after asserting your geopolitical views is shred-worthy. Turning platitudes into law enforced policy is an arduous slog.
She would be vulnerable to conservative arguments if she cannot coherently articulate her "progressive" arguments as solutions to a given issue.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)CNN did a story on her gaffe .
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats/index.html
As did Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/ocasio-cortez-slams-israeli-occupation-walks-it-back-i-am-not-expert-1029386
And local tabloid The New York Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-ocasio-cortez-in-context-20180717-story.html
LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)There is a well written take in the National Review. I won't link to it, and I can't agree with it as an argument against liberal policy. But the analysis isn't a critique of liberal policy, per se. It is a critique of her logic and presentation, and whether she is, yet, a good champion for progressive policy on the open market.
This wouldn't be a hard thing to overcome with work and experience. But she seems to be burning bridges with people she is going to need for guidance and support.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)You can't just wing complex policy questions with slogans and broad bullet points.
I'm not sure how far outside the PAC that sponsored her primary run AOC will be permitted to seek advice. All Brand New Congress candidates take a pledge and relinquish a great deal of campaign autonomy to the PAC.
BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/
RandySF
(84,291 posts)rogue emissary
(3,352 posts)She's taking time away from running in her district to campaign for Welder. So what does Ocasio-Cortez have against Davids?
secondly, an excellent introduction to the candidate ad.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)“So what does Ocasio-Cortez have against Davids?”
melman
(7,681 posts)This reminds me of a question someone else refused to answer.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Ironic considering the post to which you responded.
melman
(7,681 posts)A person was asked repeatedly if they support a Democratic candidate. Over and over they refused to answer.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Think about it. You might eventually get it.
melman
(7,681 posts)That didn't happen.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)I have faith in our party.
progressoid
(53,179 posts)
JHan
(10,173 posts)so it's intentional.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)What it is, ain't exactly clear
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The big rap on Ocasio-Cortez is the assessment of her endorsements based on the race, gender, and sexual orientation of the various candidates.
Here's a novel thought: Maybe she's basing her endorsement on other factors, like, I dunno, views on public policy?
I know almost nothing about any of these races. If I studied them, I might agree with all of Ocasio-Cortez's endorsements, or disagree with all, or split. But the implication in the OP seems to be that endorsing a straight white cis male is always wrong if there's another candidate in the primary who's not a straight white cis male. I admit that, as a straight white cis male myself, I might be biased -- but even allowing for my bias, this seems to be a terrible idea.
We all know that there are groups that, historically, have been underrepresented in public office. Improving diversity is a valid consideration. Still, it's not the only consideration. I supported the straight white cis male who ran against Michele Bachmann.
moriah
(8,312 posts)You‘d think a progressive leader would at least be interested in how a no-corporate money Bronx Latina triggered the 1st NY-14 primary in 14 years on prog issues.
Has she spoken to any of the candidates she's endorsing, or their opponents?
Will she keep her tone positive and attack the Republican incumbent in this race? Will she keep from throwing shade that could be used against whoever does win if her candidate doesn't? Does she understand this district like she understands her own?
I have issues with people interfering with other state's primaries. Maybe I am just bitter still about the primary battle funded with out of state money that made Republicans get the idea that Arkansas was a great place to send money, too -- except in general elections. It's been less than a decade since we only sent 1 Repuke of the six we sent to do business in Congress, now all six are and one (Tom Cotton) has been proven to have broken FEC violations with the help of outside groups to grab the blue Senate seat.
I hope this tour involves speaking positively about the candidates they are endorsing vs throwing mud that could stick later, or slipping up and hurting chances by saying the wrong things to audiences in districts possibly very different from the one she's running in..
I'm reserving judgment of her wisdom in this until then, but I can definitely see a bit of hypocrisy in going out to these states and interfering in their elections without likely having had much contact with their opponents -- the same thing she criticized Gillibrand for doing, making endorsement decisions based on who she knows vs contacting and discussing beforehand. That's even leaving out her own call about being a minority and female from the picture.
kcr
(15,522 posts)What a breath of fresh air!
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)They literally share the same platform along with Sidie. It's pretty boilerplate, they picked the local Sanders crony over the more unique and qualified candidate.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)She pledged as a Brand New Congress candidate.
BNC candidates will make remarkably few unilateral decisions about how to staff or run their campaign. In fact, they will make almost no decisions about their campaign. The one exception is their own personal stump speech and the way that they communicate the BNC platform to their district, which they will work on personally with BNC staff.
To be a BNC candidate, they have to believe that being a team player is their best chance of winning, and that their team is the BNC, not their own collection of friends, family and other advisors. This model of campaigning is a complete departure from the way American party politics has worked for a century and is much more similar to European parliamentary party politics. The key to making this work is to find candidates who are enthusiastic about this model, rather than finding activists who are opposed to it and trying to convince them. Running the campaign this way is important in light of the practical experience of challengers tending to be terrible at running their own campaigns. We want candidates who will be great leaders of their people, not great Congressional campaign managers.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180131081034/http://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)from a committee for anything she does?? This looks so juvenile, sorry. 
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)quite like having to get permission to do what other candidates are free to do.
When we say a single, unified campaign, we mean that there will be a single national campaign body and multiple local organizers working in conjunction to elect all 400+ candidates, not just individual candidates. We mean that our advertising and media will focus on and push the concept of a Brand New Congress over individual candidates. We mean that all candidates will fundraise through our website, supporter data will be shared across the candidates, and an individual candidate will not have unilateral say in how their campaign is run.
FAQ tab
https://web.archive.org/web/20160826054311/https://brandnewcongress.org/home
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)to fight other Democrats. So who is going to fight the Republicans??
She should be forthcoming with voters about how she is approaching this. Maybe some constituents will wonder if they want to be dictated to by outsiders.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Brand New Congress is running a former Republican as an Independent in the general election for a congressional seat in Tennessee.
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)this all to her constituents. The new group who will be her consultants will not hesitate to support Republicans whom they rename as "Independents." The NY-14 constituents should be aware of this. Now I see why Crowley might stay on the ballot. This is bizarre.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Her disastrous response on PBS Firing Line concerning the Palestine question left both sides fuming, including her primary voter base.
JDC
(11,111 posts)I can't say that I know enough about the race to disagree, but is there more to the critique than because she ended up supporting a "white dude" over a gay Native American woman? I vote character and policy.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)People on this board who wanted Joe Crowley (straight white dude) to beat Alexandria are now bashing her for rallying for a white dude over a minority woman. Curious.
kcr
(15,522 posts)And if so, you still think it's curious? Because that would be weird unless you don't know what incumbent means.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)That's what elections are about.
kcr
(15,522 posts)But if you primary a white male Democrat, touting your non-white maleness as one of your traits to help you win demographically, then turn around and pick a white male over a none white male to help them out just because the non-white male didn't join your club? I'm going to call it out.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Her main trait she campaigned on was that she was progressive and would take those values to Washington. It didn't hurt that she looked like her constituents,lived like her constituents live and actually resided in the district.
I think the color of the candidate's skin she endorses isn't where her heart is. I think she endorses based on policy and whoever she thinks will be the stronger progressive. I'm really proud of her. I think you should give her a chance.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Based entirely on policy and the pledge not to take corporate PAC money.
https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)despite the fact that he is a Brand New Congress candidate and pledged not to...unless, of course, money from industry lobbyists, real estate interests, the securities and investment sector, the accounting idustry, and pharmaceutical companies don't count.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/industries?cycle=2018&id=KS03&spec=N
Over 89% of his money comes from out of state.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/geography?cycle=2018&id=KS03
Over 59% of his money comes from large donors.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/industries?cycle=2018&id=KS03&spec=N
One of the problems I have with Welder concerns a statement he made to the Washington Post after making it known that he wanted to take the TPP platform fight to the floor of the convention after his position lost in the committee vote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/09/sanders-loses-on-trade-at-democratic-platform-meeting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.efa94cad1058
Similarly, according to AP, when Sanders announced his decision to endorse HRC to his delegates:
Some other Sanders delegates from Missouri also were displeased, though not all as vocally.
https://apnews.com/502ec34ccbae425f89fd80ef5b4cee95
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Cha
(319,076 posts)Thank You!
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)that every time they utilize party infrastructure to launch and maintain a campaign, they are availing themselves of resources that were (at least in part) funded by corporate and superpac donations.
Mahalo!!!!!
Cha
(319,076 posts)It's not in their protocol.
According to them "corporate" in a dirty word.. why they're trying to marginalize Sharice Davids with "corporate" lawyer. And, "establishment" because Emily's list endorsed Sharice. Anyone that doesn't endorse them is "establishment".
Mahalo to you, lapucelle!!
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)post and others in this thread. Awesome as usual!
lapucelle
(21,061 posts) kcr
(15,522 posts)She didn't have to align herself with the group she chose to align herself with. I don't agree with them, the people who founded them and their tactics. And she's going right along with their tactics, too. Choices she's making. She's also choosing to leave off her platform things that matter to me. I'm not impressed.
For example, she's right that low unemployment numbers don't matter. Her facts and reasoning are absolutely correct. So why is she pushing guaranteed jobs, which will do nothing to alleviate that? Why isn't she going with a UBI instead? Because either she isn't the radical socialist she paints herself to be, or she tamps it down in order to blend in with the faux Our Revolution and their bullshit movement. Don't get me started on Justice Democrats.
msongs
(73,754 posts)
redgreenandblue
(2,125 posts)So now you get to decide who Ocasio-Cortez may support and not support? And if she doesn't follow then her "minority identity" gets revoked?
Perhaps she simply likes Welder better than David. I know that is a novel concept to some, but some people base their support for a candidate on positions, not on demographics.
By the way, Bernie Sanders is Jewish, so please be consistent and stop crapping on the first progressive Jewish candidate to go as far as he did in a presidential primary. Just saying...
Cha
(319,076 posts)to shut down a political discussion.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Sorry. He was barely a Democrat.
George II
(67,782 posts)
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)He was supported by William F. Buckley in his 1st Senate campaign for chrissakes.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Or was that only for the black President?
redgreenandblue
(2,125 posts)The OP already provided one.
So Obama's race matters but that of Ocasio-Cortez doesn't.
In other words "but identity" is reserved only for certain people. It is only used when convenient. 
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I don’t remember you objecting when it was Obama’s.
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)I don't think the poster meant it quite the way I took it, but basically that's what this appears to be. For this reason I think that it may well turn out that Mr. Crowley winds up keeping that seat in NY.
Cha
(319,076 posts)I saw that little discussion.. and no it was not meant the way you thought AT FIRST!
I was thinking the same maybe.. until I read a little bit further. 
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)Yes it seems the "progressive policy" we keep hearing about basically boils down to loyalty to Sanders. The actual policies are either boiler-plate Democratic (higher minimum wage, lower college costs) or reactionary (objection to PPACA under various guises, objection to multilateral trade deals negotiated by Democrats), which isn't progressive in any practical sense at all.
Cha
(319,076 posts)Mahalo!
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)And I mean the WHOLE thing, all the various candidates and organizations etc etc. And based on the proposal Sanders released in 2017, which is as hollow as a chocolate bunny, he doesn't have a better idea, apart from getting rid of employer-based health programs, which I don't think is ever going to happen. There are a few ACA-like patient protection codicils but nothing like any kind system to implement them. Meaning if it were to come to pass in some far future it would at best, after a lengthy transition period, vaguely resemble the ACA. But it would have Bernie's name on it and that alone seems to be motivating this entire farce. I don't mean to disrespect those who honestly believe in his message but this makes me very angry as his goal seems egotistic at best and he seems to be willing to break anything to achieve it. He may well help break the ACA but I don't think he or anyone else will ever replace it with something better.
https://www.healthcare-now.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Medicare-for-All-Act-of-2017-FINAL.pdf
Cha
(319,076 posts)to dump Obamacare.. except those whose health and lives have been saved.
The No penalty for pre-existing conditions was a Good one.. and so was being able to be on it until you were 26 years old.
I believe I read President Obama told trump he didn't care if he called it "trump care".. he just wanted to actually help those in need. Obama's ego not in the mix.
Conor Lamb actually won in his PA district on Health Issues and ACA(mustn't call it Obamacare!!).
I totally agree with your assessment, ucr. I'll leave it at that.. you know I could say a whole lot more.
Which weighs heavily against the whole enterprise. Good point about Conor Lamb. At last count the ACA seems to have gotten very popular:
BY PETER SULLIVAN - 03/01/18 09:18 AM EST
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/376210-poll-obamacare-favorability-reaches-all-time-high
The favorable rating for ObamaCare has reached its highest level since the law was enacted in 2010, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) poll.
The poll finds that 54 percent of the public has a favorable view of the law, compared to 42 percent who have an unfavorable view. That is the highest favorable rating in a KFF poll since it began asking the question in 2010.
The rise is driven by independents, the KFF found, with 55 percent now having a favorable view of the law, a significant jump from 48 percent last month. Nearly eight in ten Republicans still have an unfavorable view of the law.
Which makes the OR candidates all the more dubious as "Medicare for All" is basically the only bow in their quiver.
p.s. thanks Cha!
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e.t.a: more recent poll, showing a slight dip from March:
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear
Cha
(319,076 posts)BY PETER SULLIVAN - 03/01/18 09:18 AM EST
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/376210-poll-obamacare-favorability-reaches-all-time-high
The favorable rating for ObamaCare has reached its highest level since the law was enacted in 2010, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) poll.
The poll finds that 54 percent of the public has a favorable view of the law, compared to 42 percent who have an unfavorable view. That is the highest favorable rating in a KFF poll since it began asking the question in 2010.
The rise is driven by independents, the KFF found, with 55 percent now having a favorable view of the law, a significant jump from 48 percent last month. Nearly eight in ten Republicans still have an unfavorable view of the law.
Which makes the OR candidates all the more dubious as "Medicare for All" is basically the only bow in their quiver.
p.s. thanks Cha!
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e.t.a: more recent poll, showing a slight dip from March:
https://www.kff.org/interactive/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear
I love that Sharice Davids was a Fellow in the Obama WH.. speaking of him!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10895118
JCanete
(5,272 posts)R B Garr
(17,984 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)candidate? Do you have a legitimate reason why we shouldn't be voting and advocating along nuances of policy?
George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)campaign for Lieberman against Lamont...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She will gain many supporters when those two things are focused on Republicans like a laser. There is going to be a learning curve for her.
RandySF
(84,291 posts)Who was arrested and recently find $15,000 for using state campaign funds to pay rent on his residences in Maui and Oahu, to pay his domestic partner’s credit card bill and make a deposit into his personal checking account and other violations. This guy was very lucky the State Campaign Spending Board didn’t refer him for prosecution.
Raven123
(7,797 posts)I would rather Ocasio-Cortez accomplish something as a member of Congress before campaigning in other states. This type of activity is a little too Palinesque for my personal taste.
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)… thrilled when she won. I hope she concentrates on her district and progressive ideas - Ocasio-Cortez can endorse people, but it's not appropriate for her to assume a prominent role in picking favorites in other races. Maybe the media is playing this up, I don't know... but it's really strange. Campaigning against Sharice Davids? Why? I trust this is not her passion and will be put on the back burner.
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)I am REALLY pissed about this move, and by what she and Sanders are doing to Clay.
Vinca
(53,994 posts)And - bottom line - if it ends up that it's Charlie Manson back from the dead running for a Democratic spot, vote for him.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)try & figure out a way to attack a young, female, latina.. a true progressive - it is quite fascinating. Ironic that as a young, female, latina, progressive VOTER you are ignored - as a candidate and advocate, not so much.. here's hoping that this is the start of the millennials political awakening..
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)Democrat funded by an ex-Republican’s group, Cenk Uyger, aka Justice Democrats, primary other safe seat Democrats, also POC, btw. You are watching people wonder what attacking fellow Democrats actually accomplishes besides attracting the attention of proven ratfuckers like Greenwald. You should read the thread.
JHan
(10,173 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)I knew she had done a "boogieman" Greenwald interview, among others & was essentially ignored by all the corporate media until election night.. I know yall think democracy is an attack on supposed "chosen" candidates - but that is not how this works..
R B Garr
(17,984 posts)to Independent. We're told he's popular with his constituents, and that makes it all okay to preclude other Democrats from running against him. So the double standards strike again. How are you harmed if other candidates are popular with their constituents? Just because they don't spout revolution talking points doesn't mean they should just go away because of some slogans.
There was a thread here election night that showed her interviews, but it's gone. Just because you knew about her interview with Greenwald doesn't change the significance of her decisions. Greenwald is a proven ratfucker, so any credibility you think she gets from random interviews should consider motives.
JHan
(10,173 posts)challenging other women of color who are running. This is evidenced in the op.
So uhm, nice try.
George II
(67,782 posts)....attack a young, Native American gay woman - a true progressive? Yes, again using your terminology, quite fascinating.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)if endorsing & supporting a candidate over another is an attack.. then democracy is chock full of "attacks" - and no, I have no qualm 
betsuni
(29,078 posts)You do realize that when one is elected to government office, one becomes establishment and status quo, right? That's the job. An activist is different. 
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Status quo requires that you accept twenty-two fantasies as scientific laws:
1. Change isn’t popular.
2. Bipartisanship still works.
3. Process matters more than results.
4. Politics is mostly about manners.
5. The rest of the country is exactly like my social circle.
6. The Midwest and South would never elect progressive candidates.
7. Billionaires are good people, and will act justly.
8. It is practical to continue global wars forever.
9. The far right will act sane.
10. Our environmental policy is rational and sustainable.
11. Our economic structure is rational and sustainable.
12. This is still the 1990s.
13. The system works and will keep working.
14. America is already great, and always has been.
15. If anything bad happens, it’s the Russians.
16. Universal health care is impossible.
17. Strong unions are impossible.
18. Alternative economics are impossible.
19. Millennials love centrism.
20. The future will look like today.
21. A better world is impossible.
22. Whatever is, is right.
kcr
(15,522 posts)It is nothing about the things you list. Take an actual look at some of the candidates being primaried and what they believe in. In some cases, they are even less status quo by these standards.
On message boards it's become whether or not you support the tactics of OR/Justice Democrats and the people who founded them. If not, you're status quo. Bull shit.
It's not even about the primarying for me. If some of these people actually offered something radically different I'd reconsider. But yawn. I don't think I've ever seen one of them offer UBI on their platform, for example. Please.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)As if there is something wrong with people getting into the system and "establishing" themselves - you know, figure out how to get things done.
The point of the whole thing is - or should be - to BECOME "establishment": to get inside and effect change. If, after decades in politics, you haven't become "establishment" and are still on the outside yelling, wagging your finger at the people who ARE inside actually accomplishing something, and calling them "establishment" and "status quoers," you're failing.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)the "status quo" isn't the candidate/ candidates, I really don't know the politics of all these candidates involved - not my districts.. the so called "attacks" are just standard operating procedures - Ocasio feels the need to return the favor to others that were there when she was running - I am sure that their politics also coincide with hers.. the other candidates aren't the issue & they aren't being attacked.. the status quo I speak of is the apparent choice that has been made from somewhere upon high that these races shouldn't be competitive and that Ocasio has no right to lend her popularity to her allies.. & that is the problem
kcr
(15,522 posts)Then they define candidates simply by who joins their club. She's just returning favors? Yeah, exactly. I'm well aware of this which, again, is my problem. They sell their brand on not being the status quo by branding their candidates as anti-establishment and attack other candidates by branding them as status quo. But then the price of admission is membership, and whether or not you're branded establishment is simply whether or not your part of their club and did them a favor. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Sounds pretty establishment to me. That is not a progressive, socialist movement.
xmas74
(30,058 posts)The "establishment" candidate who has a great reputation in his area , is a strong member of the Congressional Black Conference, has a fantastic relationship with his cohort across the other side of the state (Emanuel Cleaver) and actually shows further to the left politically than Sanders.
She is BNC, not a Democrat.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)is (by your definition) NOT a status quo-er.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)Ridiculous.
xmas74
(30,058 posts)Progressive,Native American woman who grew up poor, attended community college before law school, served her country, was a MMA fighter, raised by a single mother . Did i also mention a member of the LGBT community? Did i also forget to mention that she's been spotted at a number of protests ,not just during this election cycle?
She is the candidate that our youth want, not Welder.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)we'll see how the voters decide, these endorsements don't mean the candidates are slam dunks.. on the contrary they tend to be long shots - like Ocasio was..
lamsmy
(155 posts)The Dems need to stop going down the path of extreme caucuses that have split the GOP and stopped it from being able to govern.
What is desperately needed is leadership that promotes unity and a strong cohesive message.
This isn't rocket science people. Get serious and get the job done.
DinahMoeHum
(23,607 posts)There’s still that little thing called the general election in November; and she cannot let her recent success swell her head and shoot her mouth off over everything everywhere.
If anything, she should stay in her district, concentrate on those issues affecting her district and work to get everybody else on board to vote for her in the general election and seal the deal. Congressional politics at that stage is STILL local.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)whereas Clay and Davids are more centrist.
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)as much as she admired El Sayed she felt endorsing Whitmer was a better choice because she had a better chance of being elected in Michigan. But some here are upset that AOC endorses a progressive Democrat white male running in a red state like Kansas because a Native American lesbian is also running in red state Kansas. Hmmmmm. I think it’s less about platform and more about something else that has some people looking for anything negative about a young exciting Democrat energizing people to vote. But maybe that’s just me.
George II
(67,782 posts)...is to get elected, and candidates in Kansas are far more likely to be "more centrist" than those in New York City. And they can't accomplish a damned thing if they don't get elected.
melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....a "conservative" in New York City.
melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Not the South Bronx.
George II
(67,782 posts)But you may want to read her biography on her campaign website.
Then I'll give you one. The South Bronx has nothing with this or NY-14.
Parkchester is the East Bronx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Bronx
The South Bronx is part of New York's 15th Congressional District
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bronx#Boundaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_15th_congressional_district
'
George II
(67,782 posts)"That advocacy has called Alexandria to engage with families across the country—from the South Bronx to Flint, Michigan and Standing Rock."
It has certainly been fun, thanks!
As if I'm the one parsing.
The South Bronx has nothing to do with NY-14 and you didn't know that. Bottom line.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)xmas74
(30,058 posts)Davids and Welder have almost tge exact same stances.
Of the four mentioned ,Clay has proven time and again to be the most liberal .
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)In order to enact the goals of their movement once in government they need allies who will aide them in achieving those goals. Brent Welder and James Thompson are running in support of many of those same goals where Davids and Clay are not.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)I hadn't dug into it.. makes sense
George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)H2O Man
(79,052 posts)I suppose that my advanced age plays a role in that. She reminds me of some of my favorite Democrats from decades past. She is both charismatic, and well-organized. This includes promoting a working-class platform that is "socialist" in the same manner as FDR. She brings the same excitement as Robert Kennedy did in 1968. And she is thus as in-welcome to some of the party's leaders as Jesse Jackson was in 1984 and '88.
I do not expect that her decisions are going to be exactly the same as mine might be. It would be odd, I suppose, if a 28-year old woman saw the world exactly the same as this old man. But on important issues, there is much common ground. Indeed, what I admire the most is her passion to bring this country to higher ground. And to get to that higher ground, I understand that there are going to be differences in tactics that people use, and that some will be uncomfortable with some of those tactics.
An intelligent person is going to think differently at age 28 than they will at, say, age 56 ....or they will have wasted half of their life. Yet this is no reason to oppose 28-year olds, or only support 56-year olds. The Democratic Party needs to be inclusive enough to attract both candidates and voters from a wide range of common interests. The failure to do so is evident in the republican majorities in Congress., despite the fact that republicans are a minority.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)They have to have a real agenda that people will follow. What Ocasio-Cortez is doing is positive for the party for the long term.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)destroy Democratic Party, remake in their own image and lose the next election(s)?
Purely aggravating. 
JCanete
(5,272 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)it's not. period.
PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)threads.
Sounds as if she makes many Dems uncomfortable.
Maybe, though, if we want to galvanize the millennial vote and Gen Z, we need to be made to feel a bit uncomfortable.
We can, after all, make a very real case, based on events, that the Democratic party needs a bit of new blood. We live in abnormal times, what with the big, bloated orange traitor-tot squatting illegally in the White House, and his brand of unrestrained capitalism has exposed the Republican party's policies - the willingness to allow people who cannot pay to die, the consistent putting of profits over people, the whole 'greed is good' thing and certainly the rank hypocrisy of the 'christian' right.
Ocasio-Cortez says she isn't campaigning from the left, but from the bottom, and she's right. Working stiffs like many of us on this site, as well as millions of other Americans - well, most live from paycheck to paycheck, live in fear of being laid off, can't really afford their shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays, and want their tax dollars to pay for actual services from the government that make their lives better. And, that goes for everybody, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, disability or sexual orientation.
And, I'm sorry to say, but it is the truth, and I can say it because I'm a white male in my late fifties - when a white majority, even a liberal one, hears talk like that, they feel uncomfortable. You know, America has never really had a political labor party because everyone here is a frustrated millionaire. Ocasio-Cortez is speaking to, and on behalf of people, who KNOW they will never be millionaires. They merely want enough.
So, let us support Ocasio-Cortez as we will all blue candidates in November, flip both houses of Congress, get Trump out of office and ONLY THEN ARGUE POLICY.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)No doubt that's where this is headed.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But she's behaving as if her win has gone to her head and she thinks she should play a bigger role in the party than a not-even-elected-yet candidate should play. Instead of running around the country with Sanders trying to be a kingmaker, she should be focusing on her race, her district and learning the ropes so that she can be an effective Member of Congress. And she should definitely be careful about trying to take down people who are proven and effective advocates and representatives or new faces who, just like she is, are trying to diversify and energize the party and who, even if they're not as progressive as she is (which isn't the case at all with Davids, who is VERY progressive), are right for their districts, constituents and our big tent party.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)trying to prop up the platform of the alternative candidate who she is more closely philosophically aligned to? If the more mainstream(frontrunner?)candidate wins, then quite possibly that candidate is more suited to that district. If on the other hand, the candidate Cortez supports wins, then perhaps its because that candidate is more suited. Ocasio's presence gives that other candidate a slight uptick of exposure. it may give people in the district more of an opportunity to decide who they best like but it won't choose for them who they best like.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Read Moriah's post below:
Obviously the last is Mike McCamond, the banker seems to be Sylvia or Jay Slide. So who is the "corporate attorney"? The only two lawyers in the race as far as I know are Welder and Davids.
I don't know what you call it, but this certainly isn't merely "advocating for a different candidate." And where I come from, the only reason to characterize a person's opponents this way is to try to "take them down."
JCanete
(5,272 posts)where the distinctions lie. You kind of have to point out the differences to make a case. If your point is that this is going negative, it isn't viciously negative. It is pointing out things that I would assume these candidates will use as selling points. Clearly one did..."leading from the center." That isn't exactly a winning message for me either.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)What "differences" did she point out between Sharice Davids and her candidate? This email doesn't mention what Davids stands for or draw any distinction between Davids and her candidate. It just refers to Davids as "a corporate attorney" and not in a good way - it doesn't say that she represented tribal nations, including their business affairs - it's clearly a smear. No one reading this will know one single thing more about her record, positions or policies - but they may come away with unfair suspicions about her.
You can defend this kind of thing all you want, but you should direct your defenses to someone else because I don't buy it.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)Voters in her district may start wondering what her actual goal(s) is and whether she will be representing them or using her election as a platform to extend her influence elsewhere. Her personal goals may be valid, but she's running to represent her district, not Our Revolution.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)the election is/should be about what she will be doing for her constituents, not candidates in other districts/races.
H2O Man
(79,052 posts)Then Democratic Party candidates should only campaign in their own district? Should that hold true for all of our party's candidates?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)AOC hasn't even won election #1. It just seems sort of weird to me. I mean, she can do what she wants and the voters in her district will ultimately decide whether or not they want her to represent her in Congress in spite of it. It just looks unseemly that she is investing a lot of time and energy in other people's races, particularly as an *opponent* of other (progressive) Democrats. If she were a private citizen activist, that's one thing, but I just don't recall a lot of candidates for other offices, except for maybe those running (or potentially running) for President being active in endorsing and campaigning for candidates in other areas.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)This is not the time for her to raise her profile by running around the country trying to present herself as an influential national figure. It's time for her to do some very hard, very unglamorous, very unexciting but necessary spade work in her own district.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)She will win handily and will be very focused on her district when she is in Congress.
Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)I do not follow many people, but she had a few tweets I found inspirational a few weeks ago.
Then the tweets became more of a travel itinerary for which candidates she was flying out to endorse. Perhaps this is standard practice? I found it silly and irritating. While I hope she wins and does well for her constituents in Congress, I do not think she has much of a track record to warrant promotion of her endorsements for any candidates. She is welcome to endorse whoever she chooses, but her endorsement would never change my mind.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Ray doesn’t even note the political stances of Welder and David, just that one is a white man and the other is a gay Native American woman. What exactly is Ray saying? That your skin color and what’s between your legs are the only qualifying factors to earn a vote?
If so that’s pretty ignorant
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts).....under similar circumstances.
moriah
(8,312 posts)I just got an email from AOC/PCCC attacking Welder's primary opponents as "a banker, a corporate attorney, and a guy who emblazoned his website with the words 'leading from the center' and boasts of 'the courage to compromise.'"
Obviously the last is Mike McCamond, the banker seems to be Sylvia or Jay Slide. So who is the "corporate attorney"? The only two lawyers in the race as far as I know are Welder and Davids.
I really want to know if they're actually going to paint Davids as a "corporate attorney" and part of the "Establishment" because of the Emily's List endorsement. It won't change my opinion about whether she should win her own seat -- she's the nominee -- but if she's going out on this tour to smear other Democrats vs campaign for the person she thinks is best, I really wish she'd think better of it.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Thankfully, we have a breath of fresh air in Ocasio-Cortez. She maybe getting on your nerves but I think she is great and I'm excited watching her take the stage.
That she is campaigning in support of candidates she identifies makes me even happier. But I guess the sour-grapes crew can wish her the worst in hopes of a "I told you so" moment in 2018.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)and people here are obsessed with promoting divisions within our party.
What
The
Ever
Loving
Fuck
Is
Up
With
That?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)A couple of high profile Democrats (well, to be precise, one newly high-profile Democrat and one high-profile Independent who aligns with Democrats when it suits his purposes) are going around the country injecting themselves into local primaries, picking one Democrat over the others, and making it harder for strong, progressive Democrats to win, but TALKING about it "promotes divisions within our party?"
What
The
Ever
Loving
Fuck
Is
Up
With
Your
Post?
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)Please stop promoting the efforts to turn this into some sort of crisis. It isn’t.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And I’m not sure where you get the idea that offering my opinion about a politician’s involvement in an out-of-state primary is “promoting the efforts to turn this into some sort of crisis,” but whatever.
redgreenandblue
(2,125 posts)Yes, that is exactly what you did. And with barely enough plausible deniability built in. Well done
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Please be specific, quote the exact words; citing your imagination doesn't count.
redgreenandblue
(2,125 posts)You take great care to list all the "identities" of candidates you happen to support, implying that somehow Cortez stands against progress because she doesn't support candidates of your choice.
Your use of the word "against" is very telling, making it look like she is specifically opposed to those individuals rather than being supportive of some alternative.
Condensed down, what you wrote is basically "Cortez opposes the black, the gay, the female and the native candidate". But then you just didn't quite write that. Like a said, plenty of plausible deniablity I'm guessing you're a lawyer.
It's called using a rhetorical device, but you know that. "I'm not saying Cortez is a racist but why is she against the black candidate?".
Cortez also supports the Muslim candidate over the white candidate in Michigan by the way. But I'm guessing your spin will be "she supports the male candidate over the Jewish female one", because "identity" only matters when it benefits the right people.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)You sure got a lot out of a really simple post that neither said nor implied any of what you conjured up.
But the nice thing about citing your imagination is that the sky's the limit...
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)I hear what you're saying Effie. She's like 28 years old or something. 
I'm watching her carefully myself.
populistdriven
(5,717 posts)let the district sort it out.
we have a few hundred thousand bigger problems
tirebiter
(2,699 posts)I wish it were otherwise but the last time I checked that was the case.
OTOH, "In an interview with Jacobin magazine, Ocasio-Cortez explained herself. “On a national scale, I’m very excited about Kaniela Ing running out in Hawaii."
Ing's in the single digits.
All a work in progress.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)
Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)And my regret since then as I've have gained a better appreciation for certain things that weren't as clear to me during that time.
All that to say, I'm still on "Bernie's" email list and today I received an email from AOC, like I'm sure some here did as well. The core of the message was that Brent Welder was somehow the most progressive and most aligned with Bernie, and not "corporate". Here's the email text for anyone interested:
This Friday, Bernie Sanders and I are flying to Kansas to hold a rally for Brent Welder – a bold progressive who can flip a red congressional seat. Here’s why...
Right after we shocked the nation with our primary victory in New York, the Associated Press called Brent Welder’s race “the next major test of the strength of the left.” I went on MSNBC the next day and said that Brent Welder is “running the exact same race that I am.”
Like us, Brent’s campaign is a grassroots-first operation.
Like me, Brent is a bold progressive who refuses corporate PAC money.
Like our campaign, Brent’s message of Medicare for All and a $15/hr minimum wage is connecting with families that are tired of worrying about their health insurance premiums (if they have coverage at all), their prescription drug costs, their retirements, and their kids’ college education.
And like me, Brent was a community organizer for Bernie Sanders. He has Bernie’s endorsement and mine. And, like us, Brent is going to win.
Brent’s election is just 3 weeks away. We can usher a progressive wave into Congress by electing bold progressives everywhere from New York to the Kansas heartland. Please rush a contribution of $3 or more to Brent’s campaign right now to fuel his grassroots campaign at this critical moment in American history!
Brent is leading the Republican incumbent by 7% in a poll conducted by the PCCC. Hillary Clinton won this Kansas district – and Bernie won it in the primary.
Brent’s primary opponents include a banker, a corporate attorney, and a guy who emblazoned his website with the words “leading from the center” and boasts of “the courage to compromise.” Brent’s Republican opponent is the #1 recipient of campaign funding from payday loan sharks.
Winning in Kansas will help prove that the majority of Americans are with us on the policies. Americans support Medicare for All, expanding Social Security benefits, gun reform, debt-free college, and a $15 minimum wage.
Please, make a contribution of $3 or more to Brent’s campaign at this critical moment to prove that bold progressive values are popular EVERYWHERE.
Together, we have the people. Together, with your help, we’ll have the votes.
Pa'lante,
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)a.k.a. Obamacare:
That's not a Democratic position.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)It's inaccurate and insulting. This is not just touting a candidate. She is crapping on the other Democrats.
Not cool.
Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)Inaccurate, insulting and telling...just my 2c
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)White House fellow, U.S. Department of Transportation; Chair of the Board of Directors of Twelve Clans, Inc. for the Ho-Chunk Nation; Deputy Director for the Thunder Valley Community Development Corporation on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation; Director of Economic Development at Red Cloud Indian School; Associate at SNR Denton; Of-Counsel at Ceiba Legal; attended community college, then Cornell University Law School.
And, FYI, her time as a "corporate attorney" was spent providing legal representation for tribal nations, including protecting their business interests.
Cha
(319,076 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But notice, in describing Sharice's background and qualifications, which she noted are "impeccable and wide-ranging," Flora didn't stop at "corporate attorney." She added a few other things, very important things. That's the point.
Ocasio-Cortez's description of Sharice as merely "a corporate attorney" was intended as a pejorative and a smear. And it's grossly misleading.
Cha
(319,076 posts)It's NOT working, Cortez.
moriah
(8,312 posts)It's a dismissal of everything else she is because she "worked as an associate at Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP-now called Dentons-in the corporate and Indian law and tribal representation practice groups" for two years right out of law school.
She's placed in the same category as a banker and a centrist, and dismissed as merely a "corporate attorney".
I've Tweeted about this, but attacking the PCCC for putting words to attack other progressive Democrats in her mouth, trying to give AOC herself the benefit of the doubt. Saying she can campaign without insulting the other Democrats in these races and attack the Republicans.
I'm hopeful that's actually what happens. It's unwise to "eat our own" in primaries, because Republicans watch and use whatever primary mud slung that sticks to attack in the General.
melman
(7,681 posts)This is a slur itself is it not? Yes it is. This whole 'purity' thing is made up nonsense used to attack and dismiss progressives.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Slur. 
moriah
(8,312 posts)To ignore everything actually noteworthy about the candidate you choose to attack by suggesting working for a law firm that did corporate work places them in the same basket as "big banks" and "lead from the center" politics... wow, she chose the "wrong" job offer fresh out of law school, so now she's forever tarred and feathered and all her other progressive political positions and achievements since are dismissed for it?
To even have mentioned his primary opponents was shady enough, they could have went with how Pence is out fundraising for Yoder, the Republican. Campaigned for the candidate she likes by talking up their positives, not others negatives -- which I hope she does in whatever she actually says herself.
But instead, whoever wrote this bullshit fundraising email I'm praying AOC herself didn't actually read decided to use the three things mentioned about the other candidates as reasons to dismiss them. Automatically making them all equivalent, and equivalently bad.
I don't know what name you want to put on such tactics, but they suck. So probably whatever name you use for it is going to be derogatory.
Cha
(319,076 posts)but, we say "purism" because it looks like you have to be just so to not get a "label" from them.
Looks to me like.. if it walks like a duckie and so on.. it IS!
glenn greenwald is out there tweeting Sharice Davids is "establishement" because she got an endorsement from Emily's list.. for cripes sake.
Link to tweet
I haven't seen the "fundraising email" yet, moriah. Maybe it's upthread?
Mahalo!
Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)They knew the impact that would have for the left and they also knew that if there was blow back they could fall back on the excuse that "well she was a corporate attorney"!
Cha
(319,076 posts)of course they did.
JonLP24
(29,929 posts)I'm willing to overlook her short comings and welcome her to the party but this thread tears her down more effective than any Republican ever could.
Cha
(319,076 posts)insult Buzzword to marginalize Sharice Davids.
I can imagine how Sharice feels about that.
kcr
(15,522 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:06 AM - Edit history (2)
Corporate attorney? What a hypocrite. She screamed to high heaven about erasing her identity when some conservatives pointed out her parents moved to Westchester when she was 5 years old. Then she turns around and pulls that shit.
Cha
(319,076 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)Taking up once again his post-relevance career as a blunt—not to mention wholly dull—instrument, Weepin’ Joe Lieberman is at it again. The rise of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has occasioned him to write a newspaper column about the threat posed by Ocasio-Cortez to the Democratic party, to the Congress, and even to America, as the subhed informs us. And, of course, Lieberman published this attack of the vapors in the one place he was sure it would draw the attention of young liberal voters who might fall for Ocasio-Cortez’s seductive politics without noticing the peril that lurks within: the half-mad opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal.
To be sure, Ocasio-Cortez has made some rookie mistakes, as all new politicians will. (By the end of the first two months of Senator Professor Warren’s first campaign, some very smart people in Massachusetts wondered if she had the chops to bring down the political titan that was Scott Brown.) An interview at William F. Buckley’s old public-television pop stand, Firing Line, is said not to have gone well according to the National Review, America’s longest-running journal of white supremacy, and a publication that owes its survival to those big, sweet government checks ol’ Bill used to cash from PBS. Again, Firing Line as interpreted by National Review is not likely to sway a single voter in the 14th Congressional District of New York.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22338610/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-lieberman-democrat/
whistler162
(11,155 posts)from the Tortoise and the Hare.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)association with Sanders,etc. ?
Did you watch the Kansas debate? What particularly impressed you about Davids, not as an amazing person which she most certainly is, but as a potential representative, over Welder? I felt like she punted on everything with very clever rhetoric about not being the voice of but listening to constituents, as if being the voice of those constituents doesn't imply that you are listening to them. She basically said she's not going to take a stand on some things, she's just going to amplify the voice of her constituents of all walks. Well what does that mean?
I don't know who Monjula Ray is, but it is never simply what you identify as or are identified as....it is what issues will you fight for...who will you fight for.
By the way, what I love about the irony of your post is that you put in here how offensive it was that Ocasio could sign onto something that calls Charice a lawyer, but you have no problem with including a post that undermines Davids opponent for being a white dude.
And as I said, this is a matter of what we want to send to Washington, so associating Davids to an attribute that she has herself used to distinguish herself with...as a corporate attorney...( "for one of the biggest companies"
, is entirely fair game in my opinion. Either that will turn you off as a voter by itself, or it will turn you on as a voter by itself, or it won't by itself do either of those things. But its no more a smear than the clear message being insinuated by pointing out "white dude." When do issues play into a discussion about representation? There was certainly nothing more enlightening about that tweet you thought important to share regarding positions, so you can't have too much trouble with rhetoric. EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)straight-forward enough to me.
Or when I questioned being irritated with Cortez for referring to a self styled corporate lawyer as a corporate lawyer being a smear, or how that could be problematic for you even while posting a tweet that drew on all of the baggage of supporting a white male (regardless of policy) over a non-white non-male candidate?
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)She has a general election to beat and a lot of my Brooklyn friends are voting for a republican for an east 2 year win next time around