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Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:40 PM Jul 2018

On "All In" right now: what Putin has on Trump has been hiding in plain sight all along.

They are talking about all the questions about what is it that P has on T- kompromat - that people have been wondering about for so long - how it has been hiding in plain sight all along: Putin helped him win. This seems to be a startling new insight for the pundits who were talking about it!!

Finally someone is saying it out loud....they didn't go so far as to say they stole it, but at least that P helped him win.

Wonder if they will ever say out loud that he was aided and abetted by a lot of GOP.

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RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
1. Putin also has on Trump what EVERYONE has on Trump:
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:42 PM
Jul 2018

Trump is weak, needy, a crook, a pervert, and a bullsh*tter.

He can be manipulated by anyone willing to put in the effort to exploit those characteristics.

triron

(21,999 posts)
2. Except it goes further than that.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:45 PM
Jul 2018

Not only Putin help Trump (and many congressional repukes) win; the Trump campaign collaborated in that effort.
That's far worse.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
4. So what?
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jul 2018

So Putin helped Trump win. That, in and of itself, means less than nothing.

Were there no evidence of collusion (which we all know there's plenty of), Trump would be completely blameless as to what a foreign power did on his behalf.

How is this something Putin could hold over Trump's head? "I helped you win, so you owe me"? How does that make any sense? In that scenario, Trump would be in a position to say, "Whatever - now fuck off." It would not be something that would render Trump beholding to him in any way.

It is the fact of Trump & Co having colluded with the Russians in order to win the election that is the issue - not what Putin did or didn't do without Trump's knowledge or help.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
5. They were alluding to collusion - that P and T were working together. I was typing from memory
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jul 2018

and don't remember exactly what they said but when I heard it, thought it was significant that they were getting really close to saying out loud what we have know since before the election. They almost said they worked together to steal the election. Not quite, but close.

Dan

(3,550 posts)
13. I've always felt
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 03:32 AM
Jul 2018

And continue to believe - that Putin has material including pictures that Trump had sexual relationships with his daughter, Ivanka. Just look at some of the photos of Trump and his daughter, and it is staring you in the face.

Yes, probably also money laundering - but that’s probably not a big deal to Trump - he has always been a cheat, liar, and all around POS. But there probably is no getting around his personal philosophy that incest is best. That would be a hard one to spin, even with the evangelicals.

My thoughts.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
7. And I wonder when someone on the air will say it
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 09:48 PM
Jul 2018

as to why the CONS have done precisely NOTHING about it:

Because they want that help again.

Now more than ever!

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
9. I don't think that goes far enough.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:22 PM
Jul 2018

The pee tape is obviously another issue. But....

...Don Jr. stated they got all their funding from Russia. Given the bankruptcies that litter Dump's past, he may have made a few more bad decisions. He may owe big time.

Dump may have been an "asset" to launder money...price he has to pay for losing Russian money, but when he threw his hat into the race...and I think he did so to move money around via donations to pay off some of his "secured" debt, FSB probably saw a "golden" opportunity.

We also know that Bannon with the help from the Mercer's were planning on making Cruz their President. But those plans changed when Dump started to come out on top against all odds.

Putin never expected Dump to win, he figured that America would wise up and elect Clinton. But he would have caused enough damage internally that she would be tasked with domestic issues instead of international, which would suffice for him. But then, Dump "won". Putin is going to use, abuse and refuse Dump. Once he can't get anything he want's out of him, he'll cut the rope and let him fall.

And Dump, is way too much of a narcissistic asshole to realize this. I joke around about this, Dump could run to Russia for political asylum like many dictators do when given the boot. However, I doubt this. Putin will refuse the request as he will need to create some good will towards the next leader.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
10. YOu are right about all you said. I was just happy that they at least are finally saying
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 10:39 PM
Jul 2018

or close to saying that the election was stolen, and Putin has that on Trump. Of course we know he has much more to hide as far as Russian connections.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
11. I thought it was about Trump laundering money for the Russian mob for decades.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jul 2018

What more do we need to know?

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
14. his base won't care, then what happens?
Sat Jul 21, 2018, 04:01 AM
Jul 2018

if we found the president went to one of our enemies to help him get elected, that is a crime but Congress will ignore it because, the base thinks its just fine. So 50-60% of the country thinks he should be impeached but we can't get more than 50 votes in the Senate. Calls a whole lot of shit about our political system into question.

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