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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 04:45 PM Jul 2018

Hey @RandPaul -- you can explain this to the FBI.

Hey @RandPaul -- you can explain this to the FBI.



From this Aug 2014 article: "Sen. Rand Paul has named as one of his key foreign policy advisers a controversial Russia policy expert with deep ties to the Kremlin. Dimitri Simes, the president of the Center for the National Interest...

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Hey @RandPaul -- you can explain this to the FBI. (Original Post) MelissaB Jul 2018 OP
People like Rand Paul Matthew28 Jul 2018 #1
Any Rand was Russian blm Jul 2018 #2
I like that. Very lyrical! I could write a song around that! Dennis Donovan Jul 2018 #6
funny thing ayn rand hated russia, she escaped it AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #7
And yet she brought its cruelest proclivities to the US where it lives blm Jul 2018 #9
I think she died of lung cancer. Ilsa Jul 2018 #11
close enough AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #13
You're right! I heard a story retold that Ilsa Jul 2018 #15
The GOP has transformed into the MRP Chickensoup Jul 2018 #3
MFRP? Crash2Parties Jul 2018 #14
I have been keeping my "Enemy of the State List" w/ names of people who I believe Pachamama Jul 2018 #4
Yes, VERY wrong. elleng Jul 2018 #5
Would his neighbor be justified in making a citizen's arrest? oasis Jul 2018 #8
Fuck Rand Paul. nt SunSeeker Jul 2018 #10
More Simes connections - Introduced Kushner to Kislyak !!! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #12
just another gop rusky. nt elmac Jul 2018 #16

Matthew28

(1,796 posts)
1. People like Rand Paul
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 04:48 PM
Jul 2018

is all about weakening America for Russia.
It just never made sense to me why he wanted to defund education, science and infrastructure but in this context it finally does.

The "conservatives" are working for russia.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
7. funny thing ayn rand hated russia, she escaped it
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jul 2018

wasn’t she also depressed most of her life of utter lonliness thet her toxic ideology brought? Didnt she eventually kill herself? I hope that’s where gop is heading.

blm

(113,010 posts)
9. And yet she brought its cruelest proclivities to the US where it lives
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jul 2018

In today’s Republican Party.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
11. I think she died of lung cancer.
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jul 2018

She believed the "smoking cigarettes can cause cancer" campaign was an anti-capitalist lie.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
15. You're right! I heard a story retold that
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 06:45 PM
Jul 2018

one of Rand's friends was visiting her in the hospital near the end, and rand was heavily drugged for pain. The friend said they were on a high floor, like 5th or sixth, and rand was making a comment about the peculiar shadows the trees were making into her room. The friend corrected her, saying they were too high for trees to be making shadows, and what she was seeing was shadows cast from IV poles. Rand got really pissed at her, telling her off for suggesting a different reality.

What a miserable person.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
4. I have been keeping my "Enemy of the State List" w/ names of people who I believe
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 05:05 PM
Jul 2018

...conspired and have worked with Russia to undermine our democracy and to elect Trump. It includes members of the Trump Family, Trump campaign, friends and Associates of Trump, organizations, Russians and yes, Members of congress.

It’s a growing list and quite large and I will post it soon. But this bit of news just added Rand Paul for me. I had been on the fence about him and Lindsay Graham. But this morning listening to ole Lindsay talking about the FISA warrants and Carter Page and this news about Rand Paul’s hire, just added those two to the list....

There is something very very wrong here....

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
12. More Simes connections - Introduced Kushner to Kislyak !!!
Sun Jul 22, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/how-jared-kushner-helped-the-russians-get-inside-access-to-the-trump-campaign

How Jared Kushner Helped the Russians Get Inside Access to the Trump Campaign

By Ryan LizzaJuly 25, 2017

f you read Jared Kushner’s statement to congressional committees looking for evidence of a crime, there isn’t much there. But if you read it from the perspective of the Russians trying to gain a toehold—or more—inside the Trump campaign, you realize how easy he made it for them. As the evidence mounted last year that the Russian government launched an unprecedented hacking and influence campaign to affect the 2016 election in Donald Trump’s favor, the Trump team, including Kushner, became increasingly more solicitous to high-level Russians offering information and requesting meetings.

Kushner’s first meeting with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador to the United States, seems relatively innocuous. According to Kushner’s account, they met in April, 2016, at the Mayflower Hotel, in Washington, D.C., during a reception before a speech that Trump delivered on foreign policy. Dimitri Simes, the publisher of The National Interest and the organizer of the event, introduced Kushner to Kislyak and three other ambassadors. To Kushner, the introduction was forgettable. Without specifying which ones, he noted that some of the ambassadors invited him to lunch but that he “never took them up on any of these invitations.”

For Kislyak, it was clearly an important moment. The Russian Ambassador represents a country whose intelligence services had hacked their way into the Democratic National Committee’s networks ten months earlier and hacked the e-mail account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, the previous month. At Trump’s speech, Kislyak was honored with an invitation to the reception and a front-row seat. Trump’s speech itself extended an olive branch to Vladimir Putin, calling for “improved relations with Russia” and an effort to “make a deal that’s great” for “America, but also good for Russia.”

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As with his accounts of all the other interactions with Russians, Kushner claims he was simply a naïve staffer exchanging benign pleasantries. His professed innocence about the nature of these contacts may be the most troubling part of his testimony. The Russians were running a complex—and seemingly successful—campaign to gain access to Trump’s orbit, and the President-elect’s most trusted adviser claims he was clueless about what was actually going on. Kushner’s testimony does not reveal evidence of any crimes, but it does reveal a campaign and Presidential transition that were remarkably easy targets for Russian intelligence efforts.

“The Russians clearly thought they had reasons to believe this would be a friendly audience,” Hayden said. “If you’ve never seen a major-league curveball, you shouldn’t pretend you’re a major-leaguer.”
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