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This. (Original Post) scheming daemons Jul 2018 OP
* NBachers Jul 2018 #1
Dear gawd Roland99 Jul 2018 #2
Instead of whining about the most popular member of the Senate... DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #45
Instead of whining about legitimate complaints about one of the idiots that got us into this mess Fresh_Start Jul 2018 #58
Like I said, stop whining and build the Democratic movement DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #59
right back at you Fresh_Start Jul 2018 #63
+1 sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #67
A plus. n/t sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #109
Sanders is all about Sanders lunamagica Jul 2018 #70
+1, There's no doubt about that after this b******* uponit7771 Jul 2018 #97
Care to enlighten us all on the aspects of the Democratic Party that caters to the 1% Roland99 Jul 2018 #65
Read these on Democrats shifting to the rich DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #73
meh. Totally ignores so many aspects of Democratic Party agenda and ideals Roland99 Jul 2018 #86
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #89
"Now hearing more and more about single payer" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #94
Bernie but it was just part of his master plan to undermine the Democratic Party Uncle Joe Jul 2018 #119
And what peer-review Paul is he's the most popular not talk about online b******* either uponit7771 Jul 2018 #88
I'm sick of his shit leftynyc Jul 2018 #92
People, please work together DemocracyMouse Jul 2018 #99
Aim that at Bernie leftynyc Jul 2018 #121
The Democratic party *is* a coalition. That's the problem both the DLC and the Bernie wing have. haele Jul 2018 #114
WTF? Achilleaze Jul 2018 #3
He's gotten to be like Ralph Nader - full of himself. keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #4
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #90
He just went down the tubes in my mind. He needs to go!! Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #5
Just one small point. He has never been a member of our party Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #8
Then why was he in the primary against Hillary? Did she just have to fight him Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #47
In my view, we should never have allowed him to run. He NEVER agreed to be a Democrat Stinky The Clown Jul 2018 #66
+1, I feel betrayed if it is b******* today uponit7771 Jul 2018 #87
no need to try to like Bernie handmade34 Jul 2018 #6
Same feelings about him here world wide wally Jul 2018 #30
I voted for him in the primary. I have grown to loathe him. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #53
Me too exboyfil Jul 2018 #93
+1, I was truly holding out trying to stay neutral but f*** him now uponit7771 Jul 2018 #85
I knew early in 2016 handmade34 Jul 2018 #103
Posts like this need to stop watoos Jul 2018 #7
thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #10
What needs to stop are excuses for a Democrat-bashing non-Democrat! johnp3907 Jul 2018 #11
If a man of his political experience can't word a simple tweet, then he should shut up. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #13
+1. His tweet is a godsend for Putin's trolls dalton99a Jul 2018 #18
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #19
Thank you! nt R B Garr Jul 2018 #54
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #77
No, a non-Democrat like Bernie needs to quit attacking the Dems scheming daemons Jul 2018 #23
Thank you. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #26
yep, dissing Bernie voters just plays into the fascists handbook elmac Jul 2018 #34
The Russians forced bs to trash Democrats AGAIN? How does that work? Squinch Jul 2018 #35
the Russian attack was using Sanders against democrats JI7 Jul 2018 #62
yes, the ruskies did amplify the Bernie HRC primary elmac Jul 2018 #68
they were pushing trump sanders and stein to hurt Hillary JI7 Jul 2018 #82
Then he should have someone else write his tweets and speeches. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #36
Thank you lindalou65 Jul 2018 #40
Tad Devine makes Putin smile louis c Jul 2018 #41
I'll go with that. Bernie's platform is one most Americans agree with, and he is PatrickforO Jul 2018 #42
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2018 #46
then bernie should stop saying shit like this in public. mopinko Jul 2018 #49
Yes, but how do we make him stop? He is hellbent on disrupting the blue wave. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #51
Who are his cohorts? Wwcd Jul 2018 #57
So, Dems need to be better at messaging, like Bernie. kcr Jul 2018 #69
Oh boy...the same excuse we get for trump: "he didn't mean it that way" lunamagica Jul 2018 #71
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #91
And you realize how many poorly worded statements Bernie Sanders makes? uponit7771 Jul 2018 #75
This. Exactly this. wonkwest Jul 2018 #102
Why is Bernie still bitching about Democrats? dansolo Jul 2018 #106
He doesn't wonkwest Jul 2018 #110
How is posting Bernie's own words a hit piece? dansolo Jul 2018 #105
The 1%? WTF? The Republicans are the party of the 1%. If there was any doubt of his views... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #9
I'm a bit slow watoos Jul 2018 #24
Here's the problem: Wwcd Jul 2018 #56
Bernie tweets as if he believe the Trump-RubleCons represent the workers. :eyes: . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #12
What the fuck is WRONG with him??? Squinch Jul 2018 #14
Ego. It's off the charts. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #31
So are some of OR, JD and BNC candidates. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #118
Bernie's True Motives? dlk Jul 2018 #15
I hate to even ask it, but..... lark Jul 2018 #21
+1, right now I'm putting him with the others who won't show their tax returns uponit7771 Jul 2018 #84
What the ... betsuni Jul 2018 #16
Why is Bernie attacking Democrats? dalton99a Jul 2018 #17
By saying that anyone in the party who doesn't agree with him is ehrnst Jul 2018 #22
Trolls will be using his tweet to depress Democratic turnout dalton99a Jul 2018 #25
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #43
We shall all be hanging separately. nt. Pluvious Jul 2018 #60
Yep. He himself depresses turnout, but he doesn't care kcr Jul 2018 #72
+1, that's why we need to see his full tax returns too uponit7771 Jul 2018 #79
What Bernie did or did not say aside... Magoo48 Jul 2018 #20
We needs congress for a real push. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #29
Do you want that? Because if you do, his trashing Democrats pretty Squinch Jul 2018 #33
You do understand that a president cannot do this by themselves ehrnst Jul 2018 #44
"All administrations", bull f****** s*** uponit7771 Jul 2018 #80
The combined efforts of the Federal Government placed us where we are today: hosed. Magoo48 Jul 2018 #123
As he cashed in at the end of his career as a politician. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #27
Yep. I bet those tax returns are pretty interesting. MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #48
Still with the Dem bashing. WTF? brush Jul 2018 #28
Bernie isn't a Dem.... so bashing him isn't "Dem bashing" scheming daemons Jul 2018 #64
Miscommunication. He's still bashing Dems. brush Jul 2018 #78
Same tired old canards from Bernie mcar Jul 2018 #32
Why is it that when there is democratic party infighting... that Bernie is not far away? lancelyons Jul 2018 #37
+1, after this statement I'm f****** done I'm heartbroken uponit7771 Jul 2018 #83
Always, always, always. Squinch Jul 2018 #116
Hard? Nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #38
Bernie's Not a Democrat louis c Jul 2018 #39
Seriously??? c-ville rook Jul 2018 #50
Yeah- you'll see this tweet damning Dems played over and over again to hurt us. bettyellen Jul 2018 #108
Bernie please STFU and go away. Freddie Jul 2018 #52
You can't have your cake and eat it too, Bernie. nt procon Jul 2018 #55
Working Class usually only means White Males JI7 Jul 2018 #61
OH HELL NAW!! YOU SHOW US YOUR GODDAMN TAX RETURNS!! uponit7771 Jul 2018 #74
"is" the party of the 1%? I'm sure he meant to say "is'NT". oasis Jul 2018 #76
Yeah seems like the people who use double- don't show their tax returns uponit7771 Jul 2018 #81
Let's see now, It's been reported that investigators seized records oasis Jul 2018 #95
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #98
Whatever. Eko Jul 2018 #96
There's some truth to the essence of what he's saying Snellius Jul 2018 #100
They departed the Dem party ages ago because they chose racism and sexism. bettyellen Jul 2018 #107
And they no longer think of themselves as a class. Rich, middle or poor, that's it. Snellius Jul 2018 #111
This is a joke right? JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #101
And the problem is? wonkwest Jul 2018 #104
Even my son, who once had a certain sympathy... NNadir Jul 2018 #112
Well, I'm a dem, and I'm sure as hell not the 1%. Bernie doesn't count me?? lindysalsagal Jul 2018 #113
I quit trying to like Bernie long ago NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #115
I'm a huge Bernie supporter and I just called him out. This is NOT OK. budkin Jul 2018 #117
I adore Bernie -- I voted for him in the primary coeur_de_lion Jul 2018 #120
Good grief. honest.abe Jul 2018 #122

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
45. Instead of whining about the most popular member of the Senate...
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jul 2018

...the Democrats could simply address his concerns. Build a coalition people. Integrate insights. He's trying to push the Democratic party forward, not undermine it. There's a difference.

Fresh_Start

(11,365 posts)
58. Instead of whining about legitimate complaints about one of the idiots that got us into this mess
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jul 2018

Bernie could look at the current state of the country AND the most important risks facing the country and stop doing the shit he did which aided Putin to put Trump into place.

Fresh_Start

(11,365 posts)
63. right back at you
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 12:36 PM
Jul 2018

Bernie is not building a democratic movement...bernie is building a bernie movement.
sorry you can't see that.

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
65. Care to enlighten us all on the aspects of the Democratic Party that caters to the 1%
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 12:51 PM
Jul 2018

I’ll be holding my breath....

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
86. meh. Totally ignores so many aspects of Democratic Party agenda and ideals
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jul 2018

Healthcare. Now hearing more and more on single payer

Environmental protections

A woman’s right of choice

Social safety nets

Correcting regressive taxes

Boosting minimum wages

Helping home owners

Decriminalizing certain drugs

Immigration policy.

Uncle Joe

(65,137 posts)
119. Bernie but it was just part of his master plan to undermine the Democratic Party
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jul 2018

It's takes a wise person to see through his charade of decades old concern regarding single payer while campaigning for Democrats around the nation including...gulp...Kansas.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
92. I'm sick of his shit
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:57 PM
Jul 2018

Bernie is only for Bernie and this is further proof of that. Where is HE in building the Democratic party? Oh that's right - why should he since he's NOT a Democrat. Fuck him.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
99. People, please work together
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jul 2018

Reflect deeply on what the various concerns are. Don't lose your heads. We need all brains on deck!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
121. Aim that at Bernie
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 05:13 AM
Jul 2018

His statement does none of that and he's the one with the platform. I always vote and always vote for democrats.

haele

(15,402 posts)
114. The Democratic party *is* a coalition. That's the problem both the DLC and the Bernie wing have.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jul 2018

They don't want to be part of a coalition. Each side of the middle wants to be in charge.

They're both at the table, just look the party plank includes concerns that both have. Unfortunately, neither wants to share and they will scream and shout pointing out how evil it is the other side has a place at the table alongside them.

One realizes it very quickly when talking to some of the other Democratic sub-caucuses that also have to be part of the Democratic coalition, who patiently work within the system to have their concerns worked into the overall tapestry.

Bernie's only really popular because he's a populist. He says what we all want to hear. Problem is, I've rarely found a populist that actually worries about the process of governance or how to implement change in a way that doesn't favor one group over another - their main goal is to get their vision and ideas out into the wild - and to get elected based on a vision, not a policy.

Y'know, I liked Mike Gravel, also. He represented his constituency very well. Bernie Sanders is a lot like Mike Gravel.

Haele

Maraya1969

(23,497 posts)
5. He just went down the tubes in my mind. He needs to go!!
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 07:46 AM
Jul 2018

What a fucking horrible thing to say about Democrats. He needs to be shamed out of our party.

Maraya1969

(23,497 posts)
47. Then why was he in the primary against Hillary? Did she just have to fight him
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:18 AM
Jul 2018

because he became so popular? I guess that was the reason. I never really got why people became so mad at him but now I am really pissed.

Stinky The Clown

(68,952 posts)
66. In my view, we should never have allowed him to run. He NEVER agreed to be a Democrat
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jul 2018

He is either a Berniecon or Bernicrat but definitely NOT a Democrat.

handmade34

(24,017 posts)
6. no need to try to like Bernie
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jul 2018

he needs to go back to work representing Vermont and stop pretending he will be President... I used to like him... not so much anymore

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
53. I voted for him in the primary. I have grown to loathe him.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jul 2018

I really wish he would just go away. Trump isn't the only narcissist in politics these days.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
93. Me too
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jul 2018

I am starting to wonder what this Russian connection will yield. I like to think he wasn't a Stalking Horse like Jill Stein, but...

Really in all seriousness Clinton's campaign for President should have ended when she decided to route all of her non-classified government related emails through her personal account. It was abnormal even based on precedence and conflicted directly with the open records laws (you don't want the government pawing through your personal emails, then keep them off the same system with the emails you are required by law to retain).

Why couldn't have Biden run? Kerry again? Tom Vilsack? Janet Napolitano?

handmade34

(24,017 posts)
103. I knew early in 2016
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jul 2018

he was trouble... he has always provided good representation for Vermont but he is a disaster on the national stage...

I have always supported his ideology but he was the wrong person in 2016 and he is wrong now

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. Posts like this need to stop
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 07:55 AM
Jul 2018

Bernie's statement was poorly worded and anyone who has listened to Bernie speak knows what he meant. Bernie has stated thousands of times that the Republican party is the party that represents the 1%.

Democrats need to do what it takes to win is the message I get. If we need to move to the center, like Connor Lamb, then we move to the center, if we need to move to the left like Ocasio-Cortez then we move to the left.

Winning is what matters.

Posting hit pieces on Bernie Sanders should make Putin smile. Bernie has done more to promote causes for the 99% than the vast majority of his cohorts.

ProfessorPlum

(11,461 posts)
10. thank you
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:15 AM
Jul 2018

Sanders' message, that the Democratic party should represent the interests of working people, is so obvious as to be uncontroversial.

johnp3907

(4,308 posts)
11. What needs to stop are excuses for a Democrat-bashing non-Democrat!
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:19 AM
Jul 2018

On a Democratic forum!

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
13. If a man of his political experience can't word a simple tweet, then he should shut up.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jul 2018

DU members and Democrats are telling Bernie to get behind the Party or shut up. Elect winnable Democrats or shut up.

He doesn't have Ocasio-Cortez's excuse of inexperience.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
23. No, a non-Democrat like Bernie needs to quit attacking the Dems
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:55 AM
Jul 2018

Ps. Bernie has Russian stink on him too, in the name Tad Devine.


 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
34. yep, dissing Bernie voters just plays into the fascists handbook
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jul 2018

divide and conquer, circular firing squad, have seen it enough on DU to think the Russkies are playing DU again.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
62. the Russian attack was using Sanders against democrats
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jul 2018

it was part of the investigation.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
68. yes, the ruskies did amplify the Bernie HRC primary
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jul 2018

infighting through their cyber warfare plus using the DNC playbook which they hacked into.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. Then he should have someone else write his tweets and speeches.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:35 AM
Jul 2018

He words things this poorly constantly. Or he is saying just what he means. Yeah, I’ll go with that over incompetence.

lindalou65

(391 posts)
40. Thank you
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jul 2018

I agree. Those of us who support Bernie know what he is saying. I stand behind him 100%.

PatrickforO

(15,426 posts)
42. I'll go with that. Bernie's platform is one most Americans agree with, and he is
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jul 2018

articulate and informed on many issues that affect everyday Americans.

Poorly worded statement, but as you say, if you've heard him speak you know what he means.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
49. then bernie should stop saying shit like this in public.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jul 2018

if he wasnt in the news, we wouldnt be talking about him here.
it's his own damned words. he can be help accountable for them.

MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
51. Yes, but how do we make him stop? He is hellbent on disrupting the blue wave.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:28 AM
Jul 2018

Bernie's hit pieces on the Democratic party are what makes Putin smile. Tad Devine does a great job of making Putin smile as well.

So what do we do about it? How do we get him to stop?

kcr

(15,522 posts)
69. So, Dems need to be better at messaging, like Bernie.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jul 2018

But apparently, he can only speak in a manner that people who listen to him can understand. Is there special equipment for this? Training lessons? What?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
71. Oh boy...the same excuse we get for trump: "he didn't mean it that way"
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:28 PM
Jul 2018

"he didn't mean it that way" "this is what he truly mean to say".

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
102. This. Exactly this.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jul 2018

Don’t punch Left and alienate the people we need. Punch Right and stick it to the fuckers.

November is too important. I have never been so het up about an election in my entire life. People are *still* bitching about Bernie?!

Knock it off already. It’s greater than bitterness.

dansolo

(5,387 posts)
106. Why is Bernie still bitching about Democrats?
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:35 PM
Jul 2018

He spends a lot more time and effort attacking Democrats than Republicans.

dansolo

(5,387 posts)
105. How is posting Bernie's own words a hit piece?
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jul 2018

Why do you choose to ignore what Bernie actually says? He called the Democratic Party the party of the 1%. That is the kind of shit that needs to stop.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
9. The 1%? WTF? The Republicans are the party of the 1%. If there was any doubt of his views...
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:09 AM
Jul 2018

all a person need do is read this tweet by him.

It seems he is more concerned with "saving" America from the Democratic Party than saving it from Trump or Russian interference. Bernie has a history with Russia, like Trump does.

Knowing full well that Russia tried to sow discord between Sanders & Clinton followers, because it hurt Clinton's chances in the election, here he is, doing it on his own. Knowing full well what the effect will be.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
24. I'm a bit slow
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jul 2018

what is Bernie saying in his Tweet? I take his poorly worded Tweet to mean that the Democratic "party" needs to represent everyone and not be a "party" that only represents the 1%, like the Republican party.

What's Bernie's history with Russia and doesn't this thread sow discord with people like me who still like Bernie, voted for Bernie then voted for Hillary? If you don't like Bernie that's fine with me, but don't tell me that I have to disown him.

I'm 71 years old and when I was a little kid my dad told me that poor people vote Democratic and rich people vote Republican, most intelligent people know that is a fact. With that said I have no problem with people in the 1% voting Democratic, I'm guessing that not all 1%ers are politically motivated bad hombres, Tom Steyer's a 1%er isn't he? Should the Democratic party disown Tom Steyer? Bernie never espoused the position that the Democratic party is the party solely for the 1% and every good Democrat here knows that. I don't think we should shun people in the 1% who want to vote Democratic and if I were a 1%er, threads like this would discourage me from voting Democratic.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
56. Here's the problem:
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jul 2018
Bernie says, "..Dems are the party of the 1%


And you hear, "I take his poorly worded Tweet to mean that the Democratic "party" needs to represent everyone and not be a "party" that only represents the 1%, like the Republican party.

If that's what he meant to say the why didn't he say it like that?

Your interpretation of his words may not be the same as anothers.

Bernie Said, "Dems are the party of the 1%

That's all he said.

lark

(26,081 posts)
21. I hate to even ask it, but.....
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jul 2018

Russia NRA money, may be some motivation for him?? Bernie needs to stop with the Dem bashing or I'm going to seriously start to wonder about him and is he what he says he is or what he writes? If it's written, then folks, we are in huge trouble. I agree with almost all of his policy proposals, so this is difficult, but the road signs are turning more negative.

Mr. Sanders, we NEED messages of inclusion, messages of patriotism, messages of hope for the future, not messages that are meant to divide us and drive down turnout.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. By saying that anyone in the party who doesn't agree with him is
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jul 2018

"not representing working people but just the one percent."

As if it's that black and white. As if anyone who agrees with him 98% of the time is 100% wrong and 100% against "working people".


That's how.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
72. Yep. He himself depresses turnout, but he doesn't care
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jul 2018

He wants the voting public distrustful of all else because that benefits him. It's an egregious and reckless disregard for the welfare of the American public. I'm appalled at the Trumpian defense of this. Well, what he MEANT was... Bullshit. His words were plain English. He was blatantly bashing the entire Democratic party. He doesn't care.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
20. What Bernie did or did not say aside...
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jul 2018

Has corporate America had this nation by the balls for over 40 years or not? All administrations, it simply gets worse and worse. Are there any powerful pushes by Democrats now to completely overhaul the people’s relationships with corporations to favor us?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. We needs congress for a real push.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jul 2018

But yes, people like Pelosi, Obama, Warren have been strongly pushing the narrative that the relationship between corporations and individuals must change. Their relentless pushing of this narrative is going to help big time if we get congress.

Squinch

(59,522 posts)
33. Do you want that? Because if you do, his trashing Democrats pretty
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jul 2018

much guarantees it will NEVER happen.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. You do understand that a president cannot do this by themselves
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:56 AM
Jul 2018

They require congress and the Senate to cooperate.

That will certainly not happen with a president who doesn't have teamwork skills, and divides rather than leads.

If one's only tactic is to draw a line in the sand, and accuse anyone who even discusses that it should be moved is "corrupt and only working for the 1%" they will not be an effective agent for legislative change at all.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. As he cashed in at the end of his career as a politician.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:25 AM
Jul 2018

He is really swindling a lot of people and causing serious damage to progress along the way.

Yelling at walls pays big.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
39. Bernie's Not a Democrat
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jul 2018

I know, he caucuses with us, but he's not one of us all the time. After all, he has to caucus with one party or another, otherwise he'd get on no committees.

I disagree with DU's rules that Bernie can't be bashed here. That Bernie has to be treated like a Democrat.

I agree with him on many, many issues. In my heart, I'm a Socialist. But. I'm a realist before I'm a socialist and I know political math. If we split our vote, even a little, we all get fucked. That was the story of 2016 and look how that's going.

I'm sick of listening to Bernie's holier than thou attitude. I think that Tad Devine was a co-conspirator with the Russian, Manafort and Trump. If Bernie didn't know, he should have.

c-ville rook

(45 posts)
50. Seriously???
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 10:28 AM
Jul 2018

This is your issue that Bernie makes the most obvious statement ever. And that if any damage is done by it -- which I doubt -- that the fall out is so easily contained by a statement like,

"Of course, we agree with Bernie, we love that curmudgeonly, old SOB. Why do you think we have been fighting for you against (insert list) and bring these big ideas (insert list) to the table? I am happy as hell my party has its priorities in line unlike the GOP and my opponent <little elbow throw there> and that we have people like Bernie working with us to make sure we stay accountable to you the voters. God Bless America and its people."

The last sentence is negotiable. Go with "Don't forget to vote." See if anyone cares about your sign off.

If you cannot craft a simple "we are with you" statement -- please do not run. If you can -- do not whine it's a chance to show off that you can craft a simple "we are with you" statement and get your talking points out there.

I know Democrats act like it is but this ain't rocket science. "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" won an election -- for Pete sakes.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
108. Yeah- you'll see this tweet damning Dems played over and over again to hurt us.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:43 PM
Jul 2018

And it’s not the first time. I really think he’s doing it for the money at this point. I know party unity is NOT his priority at a time when traveling needed more than ever.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
61. Working Class usually only means White Males
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 12:14 PM
Jul 2018

and the type of candidate that did well with them was Conor Lamb and he wasn't very popular with the OR crowd.

and I'm talking about actually winning a red seat in the GE.



oasis

(53,694 posts)
76. "is" the party of the 1%? I'm sure he meant to say "is'NT".
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 01:42 PM
Jul 2018

The double negative thingy strikes again.

oasis

(53,694 posts)
95. Let's see now, It's been reported that investigators seized records
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jul 2018

from Burlington College. It's quite possible Jane was working on the taxes at that location when the raid happened. Could it be the investigators grabbed up everything in one fell swoop?

There's gotta be a reasonable explanation why Bernie, after all this time, has not released his taxes. There's just gotta be.

Eko

(9,993 posts)
96. Whatever.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jul 2018

Same shit different day, bash the party that does the most to make people’s lives better. Great job BS. With friends like you,,,,,,

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
100. There's some truth to the essence of what he's saying
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jul 2018

But still is that really saying anything? An out-of-date conception of the "working class".
The fact that Trump could attract many of the folks who have always been considered the social base of Dems forces the dilemma that either they have lost touch with their roots or, more likely, that that base no longer exists as it used to be.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
107. They departed the Dem party ages ago because they chose racism and sexism.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jul 2018

Good riddance.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
111. And they no longer think of themselves as a class. Rich, middle or poor, that's it.
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jul 2018

And even then those in those economic categories don't relate to those social labels.

Dems get blamed for addressing themselves too much to identity politics but classes in modern America is all identity politics.Or better, cultural politics. It's something classic Marxism has always stood on its head.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
104. And the problem is?
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jul 2018

In case no one noticed, Unions have died. Their power has been ended. This was Reagan’s shit. Guess what, he managed it.

Democrats have retreated and retreated and retreated. Meanwhile, we’re told that corporations matter. Campaign cash. Yay! And after Citizens United, it’s gotten worse.

The party does need to go back to being populist. That’s not a dirty word. It’s been taken over by cash and social martinets who would never get elected anywhere.

Enough already. Our country is dying, and our stupid, wrong-assed established system is enabling it.

NNadir

(38,049 posts)
112. Even my son, who once had a certain sympathy...
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 04:38 PM
Jul 2018

...for the guy wants no,part of him anymore.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
115. I quit trying to like Bernie long ago
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 05:14 PM
Jul 2018

He doesn't get any better. He's still wagging that fucking finger, too. Annoying as hell.

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