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(19,438 posts)Roland99
(53,345 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)...the Democrats could simply address his concerns. Build a coalition people. Integrate insights. He's trying to push the Democratic party forward, not undermine it. There's a difference.
Fresh_Start
(11,365 posts)Bernie could look at the current state of the country AND the most important risks facing the country and stop doing the shit he did which aided Putin to put Trump into place.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,365 posts)Bernie is not building a democratic movement...bernie is building a bernie movement.
sorry you can't see that.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)sprinkleeninow
(22,343 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Roland99
(53,345 posts)Ill be holding my breath....
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)FORBES:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2014/01/08/how-did-the-democrats-become-the-party-of-the-rich/
NEW YORK TIMES:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/07/opinion/how-did-the-democrats-become-favorites-of-the-rich.html
IN THESE TIMES:
http://inthesetimes.com/features/listen-liberal-thomas-frank-democratic-party-elites-inequality.html
But friends, we can, and must, evolve IN ORDER TO WIN IN NOVEMBER.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)Healthcare. Now hearing more and more on single payer
Environmental protections
A womans right of choice
Social safety nets
Correcting regressive taxes
Boosting minimum wages
Helping home owners
Decriminalizing certain drugs
Immigration policy.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Yeah how did that happen?
Uncle Joe
(65,137 posts)It's takes a wise person to see through his charade of decades old concern regarding single payer while campaigning for Democrats around the nation including...gulp...Kansas.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Bernie is only for Bernie and this is further proof of that. Where is HE in building the Democratic party? Oh that's right - why should he since he's NOT a Democrat. Fuck him.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Reflect deeply on what the various concerns are. Don't lose your heads. We need all brains on deck!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)His statement does none of that and he's the one with the platform. I always vote and always vote for democrats.
haele
(15,402 posts)They don't want to be part of a coalition. Each side of the middle wants to be in charge.
They're both at the table, just look the party plank includes concerns that both have. Unfortunately, neither wants to share and they will scream and shout pointing out how evil it is the other side has a place at the table alongside them.
One realizes it very quickly when talking to some of the other Democratic sub-caucuses that also have to be part of the Democratic coalition, who patiently work within the system to have their concerns worked into the overall tapestry.
Bernie's only really popular because he's a populist. He says what we all want to hear. Problem is, I've rarely found a populist that actually worries about the process of governance or how to implement change in a way that doesn't favor one group over another - their main goal is to get their vision and ideas out into the wild - and to get elected based on a vision, not a policy.
Y'know, I liked Mike Gravel, also. He represented his constituency very well. Bernie Sanders is a lot like Mike Gravel.
Haele
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Put down Green Mountain Moonshine, and back away slowly...
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Maraya1969
(23,497 posts)What a fucking horrible thing to say about Democrats. He needs to be shamed out of our party.
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)Maraya1969
(23,497 posts)because he became so popular? I guess that was the reason. I never really got why people became so mad at him but now I am really pissed.
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)He is either a Berniecon or Bernicrat but definitely NOT a Democrat.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)handmade34
(24,017 posts)he needs to go back to work representing Vermont and stop pretending he will be President... I used to like him... not so much anymore
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I really wish he would just go away. Trump isn't the only narcissist in politics these days.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)I am starting to wonder what this Russian connection will yield. I like to think he wasn't a Stalking Horse like Jill Stein, but...
Really in all seriousness Clinton's campaign for President should have ended when she decided to route all of her non-classified government related emails through her personal account. It was abnormal even based on precedence and conflicted directly with the open records laws (you don't want the government pawing through your personal emails, then keep them off the same system with the emails you are required by law to retain).
Why couldn't have Biden run? Kerry again? Tom Vilsack? Janet Napolitano?
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)handmade34
(24,017 posts)he was trouble... he has always provided good representation for Vermont but he is a disaster on the national stage...
I have always supported his ideology but he was the wrong person in 2016 and he is wrong now
watoos
(7,142 posts)Bernie's statement was poorly worded and anyone who has listened to Bernie speak knows what he meant. Bernie has stated thousands of times that the Republican party is the party that represents the 1%.
Democrats need to do what it takes to win is the message I get. If we need to move to the center, like Connor Lamb, then we move to the center, if we need to move to the left like Ocasio-Cortez then we move to the left.
Winning is what matters.
Posting hit pieces on Bernie Sanders should make Putin smile. Bernie has done more to promote causes for the 99% than the vast majority of his cohorts.
ProfessorPlum
(11,461 posts)Sanders' message, that the Democratic party should represent the interests of working people, is so obvious as to be uncontroversial.
johnp3907
(4,308 posts)On a Democratic forum!
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)DU members and Democrats are telling Bernie to get behind the Party or shut up. Elect winnable Democrats or shut up.
He doesn't have Ocasio-Cortez's excuse of inexperience.
dalton99a
(94,125 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)R B Garr
(17,984 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)divide and conquer, circular firing squad, have seen it enough on DU to think the Russkies are playing DU again.
Squinch
(59,522 posts)JI7
(93,617 posts)it was part of the investigation.
elmac
(4,642 posts)infighting through their cyber warfare plus using the DNC playbook which they hacked into.
JI7
(93,617 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He words things this poorly constantly. Or he is saying just what he means. Yeah, Ill go with that over incompetence.
I agree. Those of us who support Bernie know what he is saying. I stand behind him 100%.
louis c
(8,652 posts)PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)articulate and informed on many issues that affect everyday Americans.
Poorly worded statement, but as you say, if you've heard him speak you know what he means.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)mopinko
(73,726 posts)if he wasnt in the news, we wouldnt be talking about him here.
it's his own damned words. he can be help accountable for them.
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)Bernie's hit pieces on the Democratic party are what makes Putin smile. Tad Devine does a great job of making Putin smile as well.
So what do we do about it? How do we get him to stop?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)But apparently, he can only speak in a manner that people who listen to him can understand. Is there special equipment for this? Training lessons? What?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"he didn't mean it that way" "this is what he truly mean to say".
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)wonkwest
(463 posts)Dont punch Left and alienate the people we need. Punch Right and stick it to the fuckers.
November is too important. I have never been so het up about an election in my entire life. People are *still* bitching about Bernie?!
Knock it off already. Its greater than bitterness.
dansolo
(5,387 posts)He spends a lot more time and effort attacking Democrats than Republicans.
wonkwest
(463 posts)It just seems that way in this echo chamber.
dansolo
(5,387 posts)Why do you choose to ignore what Bernie actually says? He called the Democratic Party the party of the 1%. That is the kind of shit that needs to stop.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)all a person need do is read this tweet by him.
It seems he is more concerned with "saving" America from the Democratic Party than saving it from Trump or Russian interference. Bernie has a history with Russia, like Trump does.
Knowing full well that Russia tried to sow discord between Sanders & Clinton followers, because it hurt Clinton's chances in the election, here he is, doing it on his own. Knowing full well what the effect will be.
watoos
(7,142 posts)what is Bernie saying in his Tweet? I take his poorly worded Tweet to mean that the Democratic "party" needs to represent everyone and not be a "party" that only represents the 1%, like the Republican party.
What's Bernie's history with Russia and doesn't this thread sow discord with people like me who still like Bernie, voted for Bernie then voted for Hillary? If you don't like Bernie that's fine with me, but don't tell me that I have to disown him.
I'm 71 years old and when I was a little kid my dad told me that poor people vote Democratic and rich people vote Republican, most intelligent people know that is a fact. With that said I have no problem with people in the 1% voting Democratic, I'm guessing that not all 1%ers are politically motivated bad hombres, Tom Steyer's a 1%er isn't he? Should the Democratic party disown Tom Steyer? Bernie never espoused the position that the Democratic party is the party solely for the 1% and every good Democrat here knows that. I don't think we should shun people in the 1% who want to vote Democratic and if I were a 1%er, threads like this would discourage me from voting Democratic.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)And you hear, "I take his poorly worded Tweet to mean that the Democratic "party" needs to represent everyone and not be a "party" that only represents the 1%, like the Republican party.
If that's what he meant to say the why didn't he say it like that?
Your interpretation of his words may not be the same as anothers.
Bernie Said, "Dems are the party of the 1%
That's all he said.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Squinch
(59,522 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DinahMoeHum
(23,607 posts). . .who shall remain nameless.
dlk
(13,247 posts)lark
(26,081 posts)Russia NRA money, may be some motivation for him?? Bernie needs to stop with the Dem bashing or I'm going to seriously start to wonder about him and is he what he says he is or what he writes? If it's written, then folks, we are in huge trouble. I agree with almost all of his policy proposals, so this is difficult, but the road signs are turning more negative.
Mr. Sanders, we NEED messages of inclusion, messages of patriotism, messages of hope for the future, not messages that are meant to divide us and drive down turnout.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)What country is he talking about. This is not difficult.
dalton99a
(94,125 posts)The plain meaning is clear

ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"not representing working people but just the one percent."
As if it's that black and white. As if anyone who agrees with him 98% of the time is 100% wrong and 100% against "working people".
That's how.
dalton99a
(94,125 posts)Guaranteed
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Pluvious
(5,395 posts)kcr
(15,522 posts)He wants the voting public distrustful of all else because that benefits him. It's an egregious and reckless disregard for the welfare of the American public. I'm appalled at the Trumpian defense of this. Well, what he MEANT was... Bullshit. His words were plain English. He was blatantly bashing the entire Democratic party. He doesn't care.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Magoo48
(6,721 posts)Has corporate America had this nation by the balls for over 40 years or not? All administrations, it simply gets worse and worse. Are there any powerful pushes by Democrats now to completely overhaul the peoples relationships with corporations to favor us?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But yes, people like Pelosi, Obama, Warren have been strongly pushing the narrative that the relationship between corporations and individuals must change. Their relentless pushing of this narrative is going to help big time if we get congress.
Squinch
(59,522 posts)much guarantees it will NEVER happen.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They require congress and the Senate to cooperate.
That will certainly not happen with a president who doesn't have teamwork skills, and divides rather than leads.
If one's only tactic is to draw a line in the sand, and accuse anyone who even discusses that it should be moved is "corrupt and only working for the 1%" they will not be an effective agent for legislative change at all.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Magoo48
(6,721 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is really swindling a lot of people and causing serious damage to progress along the way.
Yelling at walls pays big.
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)He is wrong, of course, but doesn't seem to care.
lancelyons
(988 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Squinch
(59,522 posts)BootinUp
(51,323 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)I know, he caucuses with us, but he's not one of us all the time. After all, he has to caucus with one party or another, otherwise he'd get on no committees.
I disagree with DU's rules that Bernie can't be bashed here. That Bernie has to be treated like a Democrat.
I agree with him on many, many issues. In my heart, I'm a Socialist. But. I'm a realist before I'm a socialist and I know political math. If we split our vote, even a little, we all get fucked. That was the story of 2016 and look how that's going.
I'm sick of listening to Bernie's holier than thou attitude. I think that Tad Devine was a co-conspirator with the Russian, Manafort and Trump. If Bernie didn't know, he should have.
c-ville rook
(45 posts)This is your issue that Bernie makes the most obvious statement ever. And that if any damage is done by it -- which I doubt -- that the fall out is so easily contained by a statement like,
"Of course, we agree with Bernie, we love that curmudgeonly, old SOB. Why do you think we have been fighting for you against (insert list) and bring these big ideas (insert list) to the table? I am happy as hell my party has its priorities in line unlike the GOP and my opponent <little elbow throw there> and that we have people like Bernie working with us to make sure we stay accountable to you the voters. God Bless America and its people."
The last sentence is negotiable. Go with "Don't forget to vote." See if anyone cares about your sign off.
If you cannot craft a simple "we are with you" statement -- please do not run. If you can -- do not whine it's a chance to show off that you can craft a simple "we are with you" statement and get your talking points out there.
I know Democrats act like it is but this ain't rocket science. "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" won an election -- for Pete sakes.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And its not the first time. I really think hes doing it for the money at this point. I know party unity is NOT his priority at a time when traveling needed more than ever.
Freddie
(10,104 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)JI7
(93,617 posts)and the type of candidate that did well with them was Conor Lamb and he wasn't very popular with the OR crowd.
and I'm talking about actually winning a red seat in the GE.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)oasis
(53,694 posts)The double negative thingy strikes again.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)oasis
(53,694 posts)from Burlington College. It's quite possible Jane was working on the taxes at that location when the raid happened. Could it be the investigators grabbed up everything in one fell swoop?
There's gotta be a reasonable explanation why Bernie, after all this time, has not released his taxes. There's just gotta be.
Eko
(9,993 posts)Same shit different day, bash the party that does the most to make peoples lives better. Great job BS. With friends like you,,,,,,
Snellius
(6,881 posts)But still is that really saying anything? An out-of-date conception of the "working class".
The fact that Trump could attract many of the folks who have always been considered the social base of Dems forces the dilemma that either they have lost touch with their roots or, more likely, that that base no longer exists as it used to be.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Good riddance.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)And even then those in those economic categories don't relate to those social labels.
Dems get blamed for addressing themselves too much to identity politics but classes in modern America is all identity politics.Or better, cultural politics. It's something classic Marxism has always stood on its head.
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)wonkwest
(463 posts)In case no one noticed, Unions have died. Their power has been ended. This was Reagans shit. Guess what, he managed it.
Democrats have retreated and retreated and retreated. Meanwhile, were told that corporations matter. Campaign cash. Yay! And after Citizens United, its gotten worse.
The party does need to go back to being populist. Thats not a dirty word. Its been taken over by cash and social martinets who would never get elected anywhere.
Enough already. Our country is dying, and our stupid, wrong-assed established system is enabling it.
NNadir
(38,049 posts)...for the guy wants no,part of him anymore.
lindysalsagal
(22,915 posts)I'm disappointed.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He doesn't get any better. He's still wagging that fucking finger, too. Annoying as hell.
budkin
(6,849 posts)WTF
coeur_de_lion
(3,954 posts)but I wish he would quit bashing the party too.
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)Bernie go home.