Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:53 AM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
Amnesty International on NDAA: ""Trust me" is not enough of a safeguard"
"Despite expressing serious reservations, the Obama administration has paved the way for legislation that will authorize indefinite detention. The bill places enormous power in the hands of future Presidents, and the only answer the President has is to say "trust me."
"Once any government has the authority to hold people indefinitely, the risk is that it can be almost impossible to rein such power in. President Obama has failed to take the one action – a veto – that would have blocked the dangerous provisions in the NDAA. In so doing, he has allowed human rights to be further undermined and given Al Qaeda a propaganda victory." Amnesty International and over 45 other organizations will protest the NDAA and Guantanamo in front of the White House on January 11--the 10th anniversary of the "war on terror" prison. Sign up at http://www.amnestyusa.org/jan11. http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/trust-me-is-not-enough-of-a-safeguard-says-amnesty-international-as-president-obama-signs-the-ndaa-i
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Luminous Animal | Jan 2012 | OP |
mmonk | Jan 2012 | #1 | |
Autumn | Jan 2012 | #2 | |
a simple pattern | Jan 2012 | #5 | |
quinnox | Jan 2012 | #3 | |
comipinko | Jan 2012 | #4 | |
Remember Me | Jan 2012 | #19 | |
comipinko | Jan 2012 | #20 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Jan 2012 | #6 | |
Ichingcarpenter | Jan 2012 | #7 | |
Luminous Animal | Jan 2012 | #8 | |
i_sometimes | Jan 2012 | #13 | |
Luminous Animal | Jan 2012 | #9 | |
T S Justly | Jan 2012 | #10 | |
hfojvt | Jan 2012 | #11 | |
Luminous Animal | Jan 2012 | #17 | |
Odin2005 | Jan 2012 | #12 | |
QC | Jan 2012 | #14 | |
midnight | Jan 2012 | #15 | |
bvar22 | Jan 2012 | #16 | |
theaocp | Jan 2012 | #18 | |
SpiralHawk | Jan 2012 | #21 | |
Wind Dancer | Jan 2012 | #22 |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:55 AM
mmonk (52,589 posts)
1. Bingo.
We have a winner.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:57 AM
Autumn (42,601 posts)
2. I'm not even sure he trusts himself.
He had "serious reservations" about it and signed it anyway. Some times you just have to say, hell no I'm not doing this.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
a simple pattern (608 posts)
5. "my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American
citizens..." ... I'll leave that for all future Presidents whoever they may be... probably...
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:57 AM
quinnox (20,600 posts)
3. Papers please!
The NDAA is a giant step towards this nightmare Orwellian vision coming to the USA. 1930s Germany is not something to strive to emulate.
Saying "My fellow Americans, I promise I won't use this" is meaningless, because Obama will be gone eventually, maybe sooner rather than later depending on the elections. |
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:58 AM
comipinko (541 posts)
4. This hatred of Obama is getting out of hand.
I think "trust me" is good enough. Afterall, or government knows best.
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Response to comipinko (Reply #4)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 09:39 PM
Remember Me (1,532 posts)
19. This betrayal by Obama is getting out of hand
YOU may trust Obama (I don't think I do) -- but what about the next guy? Or the one after that?
We're supposed to be "a nation of LAWS, not men." So we don't have to rely on their good will. |
Response to Remember Me (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:30 AM
comipinko (541 posts)
20. LOL, forgot to add: " sarcasm"
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:13 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
6. In a democracy the people are not supposed to "trust" politicians.
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." Mark Twain
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:15 PM
Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)
7. Time to throw Amnesty International under the bus
they must hate Obama too.
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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:22 PM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
8. Amnesty International is a Paulite.
Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #8)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:15 PM
i_sometimes (201 posts)
13. *wiping screen*
Oh boy....LMAO!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:36 PM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
9. Kick.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:38 PM
T S Justly (884 posts)
10. K&R (nt)
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:44 PM
hfojvt (37,573 posts)
11. what if it is s-s-s-sung s-s-s-s-softly
Response to hfojvt (Reply #11)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:39 PM
Luminous Animal (27,310 posts)
17. Oh, I loved watching that movie with my daughter when she was little!
So many good songs!
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
Odin2005 (53,521 posts)
12. AI goes under da bus!
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:17 PM
QC (26,371 posts)
14. They're just jealous! n/t
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:19 PM
midnight (26,624 posts)
15. Boy the last time we heard a similar phrase was from the bankers.
Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
bvar22 (39,909 posts)
16. "Serious Reservations", but signs it anyway.
His name will now always be at the bottom of this horrendous bill.
It IS the historical equivalent of "I APPROVE this message." He SHOULD have refused to sign it, and DARED Congress to pass it over his veto, unless he was just bullshitting again about having "serious reservations." That way, HIS Name would NOT appear at the bottom of this historical document. [font size=6] ..Because ITS the LAW now![/font] signing statements and other equivocations do not matter. You will know them by their WORKS, not by their excuses. [font size=5 color=green][center]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/center] |
Response to bvar22 (Reply #16)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:08 PM
theaocp (4,013 posts)
18. I have no idea
why this is such a hard concept to grasp, unless people just do not want to understand it. That might make some sense. What a clusterfuck.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:46 AM
SpiralHawk (32,944 posts)
21. k and r
k and r
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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 09:58 AM
Wind Dancer (3,618 posts)
22. K&R
Excellent article - EVERYBODY should be outraged over this. The apologists will regret this one day, mark my word.
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