*** BREAKING*** Cohen alleges he witnessed Don Jr telling dad about upcoming Russia meeting

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Cohen alleges he witnessed Don Jr telling dad about upcoming Russia meeting offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.


PER CNN

AT FIRST GLANCE THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST BREAKTHROUGH YET. SORRY FOR THE ALL CAPS


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[joshcryer]

1. Just tuned in. Cohen flipped. Key witness. Keep this man alive.

[mobeau69]

8. Means he hasn't flipped yet.

Just shopping for a deal from Mueller.

[lancelyons]

11. yep thats what I think as well. If he was in Prague working on details of the help.. as the dossier

yep thats what I think as well. If he was in Prague working on details of the help.. as the dossier claimed then that would be pretty big.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. He was probably in a suburban town of Prague. Plausible deniability and all that. . . . nt

[LiberalBrooke]

74. He wouldn't be talking if he had flipped already.

It does not seem very smart to me except I assume he is looking for a better deal from someone.

[Honeycombe8]

78. Yes. It's odd. But we don't know who leaked this info. It wasn't Cohen himself, right?

Was it Lanny Davis, his lawyer? Or...???

Why put your cards on the table at this point? It only helps Trump to prepare. Unless it's a message to Trump: see what I have to turn over? This is the easy stuff. So I need my legal fees paid and some assurance of an immediate pardon. Or I'll have to testify to everything.

[True Blue American]

97. Donny Deutsch

Talked to Cohen yesterday. Cohen told Donny it was best if he just stayed quiet now.

[riversedge]

27. msnbc saying Cohen Ready to flip but has not yet done so.

[DeminPennswoods]

86. I think the special review of all the material

taken via the search warrants on Cohen for attorney-client privilege is holding up the works. I'm sure the special master is working quickly, but her insertion into the case has set everything else back weeks. Cohen might want to "flip", but there's not much he can do until prosecutors lay out the charges against him. They can't do that until they have access to all the material seized under the search warrants.

[scarytomcat]

99. why should they give Cohen anything

they got he goods on him and his client
criminal activity should not get off
lock them up

[DeminPennswoods]

106. Because Cohen can fetch them bigger fish

nt

[busterbrown]

62. Problem is Repubs are using the defense....

that Cohen is a disgusting liar and will lie about anything at anytime..

Rudy mixed it up with my fav tonight C. Cuomo... Chris usually tears liars up.. Rudy is one of the worst.Rudy came out unscathed tonight. In a way... Chris was overly respectful to Rudy tonight.

[Demovictory9]

73. Trump will lie about anything also

[WinstonSmith4740]

98. Mueller's witnesses

It becomes strangely compelling...

[rzemanfl]

2. Whoa! n/t

[Chris Studio]

3. Not the hard part

Trying to convince a jury that either one of them is trustworthy

[onecaliberal]

76. They have a timeline of things that support the assertion. This is a big fucking deal.

This is conspiracy against the United States. It’s conspiring with a hostile foreign country to control the outcome of the election. To think it’s only one of the avenues of investigation. I really hope it’s the beggining of the end.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. You KNOW that fucker (dt)was listening in on the phone and

conference calling it. You know he did.

[jayschool2013]

61. You mean John Barron, right? NT

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

96. Or the other guy Dennis? or some shit.

Yes.

[forgotmylogin]

90. Yes! Trump is a Russophile.

I posted in another thread. No way he wouldn't at least have an ear to the door about getting news on an inroad with Putin.

In fact, I'd even hypothesize it was planned that he "wouldn't" be in the meeting specifically for plausible deniability - "If they ask, I was definitely busy in my office on the floor above." Surely he was busy with the speakerphone eavesdropping on the office meeting below.

[Scarsdale]

91. Maybe his good buddy Vlad

taught him that bugging meeting rooms was the thing to do. No need to be there, just watch and listen to the tape later. I hope the key players are well protected. Seems some detractors have difficulty standing on balconies, or ingesting poisons.

[demtenjeep]

5. Is this on Cuomo?

I have several episodes recorded but never get around to watching them.

[watoos]

59. Cuomo seems to be covering for Trump

turned him off and went back to Rachel.

[RDANGELO]

6. That's big.

We know that Jr. was contacted about dirt on Hillary, and he accepted the meeting.

[Iliyah]

7. WHOA, I hope Cohen has good security.

[Zoonart]

9. OH ...YEAH.

[Hoyt]

10. This is the kind of evidence we need. Traitor trump's attorneys will try to

paint Cohen as unreliable, as if trump can be trusted. trump’s attorneys will also claim he has dementia or something.

[mtngirl47]

23. You called it--Guiliani just spent the past few minutes calling Cohen a "known liar"

and accused Cohen of being upset about not being brought into the administration....and some kind of jealousy and resentment of the Trump kids.

[Trust Buster]

12. This sucks. That is just the type of trap that Mueller and his team would have liked to spring on

The con man in an interview. They are probably not happy about this development. Cohen needs to speak to Mueller, not us.

[DallasNE]

45. True, But

Cohen is not talking to "us", he is talking to Trump looking for a pardon. But that has its own risks to Trump.

[Hoyt]

57. Catching trump in a lie won't bring him down. Everyone knows he's a liar. These allegations, if

true, make “no collusion” another proven lie.

[bluestarone]

13. If this is true can RUMP

Pardon anyone if he's an accomplice to a crime??

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. In theory yes.

[bluestarone]

20. I hate this asshole soo bad!!!!

[D_Master81]

14. Who truly believed DT didnt know?

I never thought for a second Trump didnt know about this. The kind of personality he has and his son would be meeting w/ Russians in Trump Tower w/out ever mentioning it to his father? I would've found it unlikely if it was just a staffer, but his own kid?

[Major Nikon]

26. Harder to believe he didn't know

The only hard part is getting the proof of what we already know.

Trump is forked.

[uponit7771]

28. +1, minimum Red Don knew after the fact

[LiberalFighter]

50. Jr would had been running like crazy to be first to let his daddy know about the mtg.

[DallasNE]

52. Don Jr. Phone Logs

Show him talking both before and after the Trump Tower meeting with a blocked phone and his dad has such a phone.

[GoCubsGo]

55. His idiot cult followers likely bought that lie hook, line and sinker.

They probably still believe it, too.

[Doodley]

17. Certain witnesses are in mortal danger. I fear Trump will request accidents.

[Old Vet]

22. I 100% agree, I think manaford and Cohen are the ones watching there back for real.....

[uponit7771]

30. The Russian accident signature is people falling off high places

[Blue_true]

47. In prison it likely will change.

Knife attack, hung themselves with their bed sheet or belt.

[uponit7771]

53. +1

[coti]

18. If true, that is called COLLUSION. nt

[riversedge]

29. keeping toes and fingers crossed it is true. god. I hope soooooooooooooo!!

[DeminPennswoods]

87. Collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is

nt

[Generic Brad]

19. Yet Cohen's lawyer claims he did not leak that

Which means Trump leaked it. WTF? Is he trying to lose?

[uponit7771]

31. Rachel just proffered it's to tank Cohens worth to prosecutors

[standingtall]

36. Cohen still could have leaked it

The theory by the guest on her show was Trump probably leaked it to take a significant card out of Cohen's hand. The flip side is if your playing 5 card poker you would not have no problem showing the King if your holding 4 Aces in your hand. Maybe Cohen's team leaked this publicly to display confidence in being able to proof other incriminating activities by Trump.

[uponit7771]

37. Why would Davis say that they didn't leak it then? Davis could just stay quiet

[standingtall]

44. Because they do not want it to be known that Cohen has flipped already

I did not hear Davis denying this story, which makes me think it is possible they leaked it. Also possible it was leaked by Trumps team. I would not take either theory as an absolute at this point.

[uponit7771]

46. I thought I saw Davis's denial on TRMS, I'll watch for the rerun

[triron]

39. Invalid conclusion. Who knows who leaked it.

[SunSeeker]

21. Hope Cohen stays the fuck away from windows and tea...

And door knobs and perfume bottles...

[Old Vet]

24. +1000

[uponit7771]

32. +1

[Yavin4]

25. As a precaution, Cohen need to stay the hell away from 5th avenue. n/t

[Blue_true]

49. Yeah, you know what could happen there if Trump is in town at the same time. nt

[Squinch]

33. Ok, but Cohen has been "about to flip" for weeks now. He needs to get on with it.

[Blue_true]

51. Yeah, and get into witness protection.

Although, with Trump as President and potentially a criminal suspect, how good is witness protection?

[dawnie51]

34. Hells bells.....

Bannon told us a long time ago "There's no way those jamooks weren't taken up the stairs' Remember that statement? This is not news to anyone paying attention. Maybe Cohen sees now who he's messing with, a crime syndicate. There is no honor among thieves, and this bunch is real nasty. Glad that Mueller has a lot of organized crime guys on his team. He's gonna need em.

[blueinredohio]

35. I hope he has a tape of it.

[superpatriotman]

38. Is it indictable?

If not its just more background gas.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Jr. lied to Congress. That's a crime !

[triron]

43. Trump has legal liability according to Chuck Rosenberg on Rachel's show.

Like conspiracy.

[dchill]

41. I SANG ALONG!

A favorite oldie of mine.

[FailureToCommunicate]

48. I miss Go Go dancers accompanying songs...

[dchill]

81. Especially the ones who died at the end of the song!

Talk about commitment!

[bucolic_frolic]

42. Sounds like Cohen

is afraid or aware that prosecutors may know everything, and he'd better not lie. And I'm sure they do know just about everything.

[scarytomcat]

100. that's what I'm saying

lock them up

[trueblue2007]

54. go directly to jail little donnie boy

[Iliyah]

56. I tend to believe Davis . . .

Either way, if t-rump's team gave the information to the media (fake news - Murdoch) knows he and his team did, and other media ran with it, it still does not help but hurt t-rump not Cohen.

The logic???????

[SemiHalfling]

58. Giuliani is calling him a pathological liar now

*Snickers*

Can’t make this stuff up.

[Iliyah]

60. ok then . . . .

here it comes . . .

Cohen is a liar. LIAR!

I think what t-rump and team did will backfire 24/7. Who the hell are t-rump's attorneys? Oh that's right, FAKE NEWS.

[SemiHalfling]

83. Absolutely it's already backfiring as news of it breaks, it's just stunning watching it unfold

Mueller is going to steamroll them.

[triron]

72. How ironic!

[Sloumeau]

63. A-ROO-GA! Collusion!

Also Conspircy! ☺

[Drunken Irishman]

64. It's pointless without audio. A he said/she said deal.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. There were several people in the room.

[Drunken Irishman]

67. That's fine - IF they corroborate Cohen and not Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. It would be beyond moronic to offer to testify to something you know will be contradicted.

[Drunken Irishman]

69. And yet, Don Jr. did just that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. He never thought Cohen would be in a position to talk. He was still their consigliere then.

[triron]

70. Disagree. It is corroborating evidence.

[Takket]

65. .

Link to tweet

[Honeycombe8]

75. Okay...here we go. nt

[iluvtennis]

77. What a song - thanks for posting it.

[Calista241]

79. Cohen has to have more than his testimony for this to stick.

There's also a strong possibility he's about to be disbarred for publicly disclosing privileged information.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. Two points

1) There were other people in the room
2) Losing his law license is the least of his problems.

[Calista241]

82. two points

1. the released phone conversation was between Trump and Cohen, and they discussed legal matters. Releasing that conversation, through his new lawyer, is a violation of privilege.

2. losing his law license goes directly to his credibility. Anything he says after such an action will suffer from that loss of credibility. The only way they get around that is if he has an actual recording of Jr. telling Trump of the meeting.

[LanternWaste]

92. You overlook the crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege

First, for the attorney-client privilege to exist, there must actually be an attorney-client relationship regarding a specific matter. The law is clear that as a general matter a person cannot claim to have an attorney for “all matters” that might arise.

I, for instance, have to hire you to help me resolve a tax dispute with the IRS. The representation is limited to that matter and so is the privilege. Other things I may have told you in passing (for example, about the fight I am having with my wife and how I beat her—this is a hypothetical!) are outside the scope of the representation and are not privileged.

The privilege is not just subject-matter specific, it is also person-specific. If, for example, Cohen had privileged information provided by Jared Kushner, only Kushner would be able to assert the privilege to protect it, not President Trump. Information shared with a third party is not privileged ever. In order to be privileged, the information conveyed to the attorney must be for the purpose of seeking legal advice. So non-legal communications (such as instructions on how to secure funds or where to transfer money) are not generally protected.

[triron]

95. Nope.

[SWBTATTReg]

93. He's probably already lost it (his license) and besides, I don't think he's going to get ...

much more business, eh? It looks like he's going to be pretty busy taking care of his legal issues and so forth...

[triron]

94. Not true.

[Gothmog]

84. Boom

Link to tweet

[duforsure]

85. Conspiring

To commit criminal acts against this country will prove to have a crippling effect on his power to do anything, as Congress turns on him very soon as they realize its over for their treasonous and corrupt president.

[Achilleaze]

88. So many republican lies

I suppose the republcians will weasel, and claim the russians made them lie. Sad.

[sellitman]

89. The real question is can he prove it.

Will anyone else in the room step forward?

One more shoe to drop and then Team Dotard could be toast.

[triron]

104. No, not necessary. Already much known corroborating evidence; Mueller probably knows even more.

[Grasswire2]

101. Shouldn't you correct this or pull it?

Your OP was wrong from the get-go.

[bucolic_frolic]

102. There's nothing wrong with the Original Post.

Comrade.

[Grasswire2]

105. Except that it's wrong.

CNN did not verify the source last night. Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis denied last night that he was the source. The story was planted as strategy to damage Cohen.

Therefore, posts that parrot the CNN error should be amended or pulled. Accurate reporting is important.

And what's with the gratuitous insult? You know nothing about me. If you knew my history here (an old-timer recently returned) you may have not felt so free to attack me.

[Cha]

107. I know your history, grasswire.

[bucolic_frolic]

110. You ain't fooling me

[Cha]

108. I love that this all hinges on the us believing that a son whose entire life is a plea for his dad's

Link to tweet

[beachbum bob]

103. Depends on evidence and other witnesses, otherwise won't go anywhere

[oasis]

109. Don Jr.'s phone calls to the 2 blocked numbers, provides

the needed corroborating evidence. Who else but "daddy" would be at the other end of those calls?