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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:48 PM Jul 2018

The Case for Collusion, by Mr_Lebowski ... using known facts and simple logic ...

Look, it's not short, sorry ... but this is not a simple story, so bear with me. I think this is the 'illegal conspiracy case', in a nutshell (insofar as a nutshell ... can possibly be constructed):

After the Trump Tower meeting, involving Trumps SON, and CAMPAIGN CHAIR (i.e. the currently imprisoned Paul Manafort), 'Dirt on Hillary', was to be 'provided' by the Russians, in exchange for Sanctions Relief (of course the Russians would've never been so dumb as to simply 'hand over the dirt', it was always to be 'released')

That is, if the Trump campaign told the Russians in the meeting what they wanted to hear about Sanctions, AKA 'Adoptions', the 'Dirt' would be forthcoming.

Clearly Jr. and Manafort told them what they wanted to hear, as evidenced by NUMEROUS subsequent events.

These 'releases' were to come courtesy of the Russian Government, as part of their SUPPORT for Donald Trump (literally factually known/admitted to in an email).

The first, most obvious subsequent evidence of an advancing conspiracy was that Russian Intelligence, operating under the Guccifer 2.0 moniker, within a WEEK of the meeting, stood up the DCLeaks website, and very soon after began releasing STOLEN DOCUMENTS (a felony) from the DNC.

Within about another month, another tranche of stolen DNC documents, appeared on Wikileaks. We know for a FACT that long-time Trump promoter (and long-time Manafort partner, in an infamous 80's-era legal firm) Roger Stone, was in contact with Wikileaks, and predicted on numerous occasions ... WHAT Wikileaks was about to release.

And then we have here ... leading up to the election ... Trump just SHAMELESSLY pimping 'Wikileaks' ... And what was the main 'negative' in these leaks?

Well, to be brief, the STOLEN (by a foreign adversary, in cahoots with POTUS candidate Trump's campaign) DNC docs appeared to 'favor' Hillary (a lifelong Democrat) over Bernie Sanders (who eschewed the party his whole career, though he voted with them) ... This was a CLEAR Russian/Trump PLOT to get Bernie voters to stay home, rather than voting for Hill.

So, using MILITARY GRADE Russian Psy-Ops and Information Warfare techniques, leveraging STOLEN Demographics and other data from Facebook (stolen by an Associate Professor from the University of St. Petersburg, Russia, I might add), Bernie-voters and other Undecided's were specifically targeted and inundated on Social Media with carefully crafted Propaganda stories based VERY loosely (i.e. much exaggerated) on STOLEN information.

There's also considerable evidence the Russians stole Democratic Party STRATEGY docs fairly late in the campaign, with all the numbers in all the precincts, and which one's Hill needed to focus on to win, and handed them over to Cambridge Analytica, who then told the Trump Campaign to dramatically change strategies. Which they famously did per Brad Parscale, acting like it was just his personal brilliance that led to this shift, when in fact it was really STOLEN DNC DATA.

In the end, the election was decided by approx. 70,000 votes across the States of Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania (or maybe one of those was Wisconsin, I forget offhand).

Looking at the whole situation, it's clear that there were numerous criminal (bordering on treasonous) acts by Trump and his Campaign ... and the meeting itself, along with Trumps subsequent RELENTESS pimping of Wikileaks (i.e. "the Russian's Hillary Dirt" ) .... is the proof.

He knew Russia was helping him, he knew they were releasing docs through Wikileaks, and he knew the goal was to get Bernie voters (and any 'weak' Hillary supporter) to stay home. PERIOD. THAT is the collusion. They used STOLEN DOCUMENTS, and STOLEN Facebook Demographics Data, stolen by a Foreign Adversary ... Russia ... Who in exchange wanted Sanctions (effectively costing them 10's of Billion$ in mostly ill-gotten gains) dropped by a New Trump Regime. And it's plain as f***ing DAY ... What Really Happened.

And per Trump long-time Consigliere Cohen (dating back to 2006), Trump was WELL AWARE of what was being done by foreign adversaries, on his behalf. LOCK THEM UP!!!

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The Case for Collusion, by Mr_Lebowski ... using known facts and simple logic ... (Original Post) mr_lebowski Jul 2018 OP
. ret5hd Jul 2018 #1
You summed that up damned near perfectly Dude. Glamrock Jul 2018 #2
Agreed, but would add Trump making Exxon Mobile CEO SEc o State. Dustlawyer Jul 2018 #15
Goddamn. Glamrock Jul 2018 #18
Good job Mr. Lebowski! That's a pretty big nutshell you got there FakeNoose Jul 2018 #3
And vote/voter registration tampering. It happened. triron Jul 2018 #5
Or Michael Flynn could have slipped it under the dinner table to Putin eleny Jul 2018 #7
Did Flynn only go to Moscow one time? FakeNoose Jul 2018 #9
Flynn was encouraged to retire from the Army in 2014 mtngirl47 Jul 2018 #13
Thx, mtngirl47! eleny Jul 2018 #19
Smoky Mountains now....originally West Virginia n/t mtngirl47 Jul 2018 #20
Cool! eleny Jul 2018 #21
Pffft. As if. Roland99 Jul 2018 #4
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2018 #6
Cyber War was also declared - confirmed by a russian operative. BSdetect Jul 2018 #8
The Grand Leader said "NO COLLUSION" Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #10
I call him Fuckface.. Fucking Feckless Fraud. Cha Jul 2018 #22
+1 thanks for the laugh, great throwback ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #24
That's exactly what happened louis c Jul 2018 #11
It's a Conspiracy--Collusion is a Soft-Pedal dlk Jul 2018 #12
Your witness, Mr. Giuliani CanonRay Jul 2018 #14
Great chronology happy feet Jul 2018 #16
Oh, believe me, *I* know all those other details, and so do most of us here ... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #23
Trump as much as admitted it lamsmy Jul 2018 #17

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
2. You summed that up damned near perfectly Dude.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jul 2018

All you left out was Trump literally asking Russia to interfere on live tv. Brilliant summation!

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. Agreed, but would add Trump making Exxon Mobile CEO SEc o State.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:13 PM
Jul 2018

Tillerson did the $500 billion deal with Russian oil that Obama sanctioned. Trump never met Tillerson before naming him SOS.

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
18. Goddamn.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 05:14 PM
Jul 2018

Forgot about that one. When you're forgetting evidence because there's so much? That's a problem Mueller is happy to have I'm sure. Can't wait for Prison Apprentice to start up.

FakeNoose

(32,629 posts)
3. Good job Mr. Lebowski! That's a pretty big nutshell you got there
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:08 PM
Jul 2018

However I would one more thing. This is going back to the Steele dossier, somewhere there's proof that Trump agreed to everything with the Russians beforehand. Somewhere (maybe Mueller has it, maybe not) there's a tape of Trump saying that he agrees to dropping the sanctions against Russia if he gets elected. That tape was made and handed to one of Putin's agents in early 2016. I don't know the date but it was before "Russia if you're listening."

How did the tape get into Putin's hands? I don't know, but it might have been hand-delivered by Michael Cohen in Prague. (Or maybe Kushner gave it to somebody on one of his many visits.) If Cohen were really smart he would have made a copy before handing it over. Felix Satir may also be involved in this tape, and Mueller has his deposition already.

FakeNoose

(32,629 posts)
9. Did Flynn only go to Moscow one time?
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jul 2018

I thought he was still working for Obama when he gave that speech. It was what led to him being fired by Obama.
But I could be wrong.

mtngirl47

(988 posts)
13. Flynn was encouraged to retire from the Army in 2014
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jul 2018

Obama didn't fire him....but the Joint Chiefs encouraged him to retire.

Flynn and Jill Stein had dinner with Putin in Dec of 2015.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
19. Thx, mtngirl47!
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jul 2018

We had to go out to the market and I didn't see FN's reply.

I think that Trump and the Russians may have already had the plan for him to run for POTUS by then. So your observation could put Flynn in Trump's orbit at that time. Heck, he may have been Putin's choice given how Putin chose our first SOS.

Btw, I just read your first posting in your journal. I can't believe you didn't get replies! Sorry that I didn't see when you posted it back in February of last year. I'm so glad you weren't discouraged. I looked at your particulars because of your nickname. I'd wondered if you were perhaps here in Colorado like me. Anyhow, thanks again!

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
8. Cyber War was also declared - confirmed by a russian operative.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jul 2018

Treason in war time is punished severely.

happy feet

(869 posts)
16. Great chronology
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:22 PM
Jul 2018

Even better to include the timeline when Trump first said there would be a big announcement regarding Hilary the next week, then asked "Russia to release the Hillary emails/server---that he would be paid hamdsomely by the media", then the DNC emails were released the morning after the afternoon of the release of the Access Hollywood tapes...conveniently diverting media attn away from Trump and running to the Podesta/DNC emails....

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. Oh, believe me, *I* know all those other details, and so do most of us here ...
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jul 2018

I was purposefully trimming down to what I considered the most 'bare essentials' in terms of making it short enough that someone with a more limited attention span might actually wade through it.

But you're RIGHT, there's really SO SO SO much more this could be flushed out with, it's ridiculous.

lamsmy

(155 posts)
17. Trump as much as admitted it
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jul 2018

On the night before his inauguration, Trump hosted a dinner for supporters. During his speech he thanked everyone who helped with the campaign and said "next time we'll do it the old fashioned way."

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