A friends daughter-in-law told to "cover up" while feeding her baby, so she did!

[kpete]

Link to tweet

[BSdetect]

1. A brilliant retort.

[Wounded Bear]

2. Slow clap...

[MagickMuffin]

3. Why is it we ALL think nursing animals is sooooo cute, but . . . .

Humans it's disgusting?

Still can't grasp the rational on that one!

I know someone who saw a mother breast feeding her child. He took her picture and showed it to me. He said she was upset for taking her pic and I told him she was right to be upset. He said it was disgusting. I told him, no what you did was disgusting because she was only feeding her baby. She was providing food for her baby. Why is that disgusting? He really couldn't defend his actions at that point.

He was raised in a very abusive christian family, his dad was a preacher.

[avebury]

9. In the era of mass electronic technology there is always a chance

that someone will get their picture taken. There is not much that you can do about it.

Some places have security cameras all over the place. If you are in London, it doesn't matter who you are or what you are doing, the odds of you being on a security camera somewhere is pretty much guaranteed.

[Honeycombe8]

24. People don't think it's disgusting. They think it's exhibitionism. Because boobs are sexual...

Boobs are sexual parts in human beings. It's a major focus. It's a focus of porn, girlie magazines, guys on dates trying to cop a feel. This is not the case with other primates. But it is with humans, in this country, anyway.

There are examples of boobs not being sexual in modern humans, like some tribes in Africa.

[barbtries]

44. and the picture in question

also an example of a woman's breast not being sexual.

[Anon-C]

51. ...

[demmiblue]

59. +1

[sarah FAILIN]

62. We have laws against showing female breasts for a reason

I looked up my statute. Nothing that shows flesh below the top of the areola is legal here unless you are male.

[Mariana]

100. What is the penalty for breastfeeding in public where you live?

If you saw a woman breastfeeding in public in such a way that "shows flesh below the top of the areola" and you called the police on her, what would they do?

[sarah FAILIN]

171. We don't have people near me doing that.

Most people are discreet and cover their own skin. I can't wait to see how it does in the courts.

[Mariana]

222. That doesn't mean it will never happen.

If you saw a woman breastfeeding in public in such a way that "shows flesh below the top of the areola" and you called the police on her, what would they do?

[phylny]

101. What's the reason?

[stevenleser]

105. Let me get this straight, you support this attack on nursing mothers?

FYI, Idaho is the only state in the union where it is not legal for a mother to breastfeed in public.

Here in NYC, there is no difference in the law anymore regarding going around topless between women and men.it is perfectly legal here for a woman to go around without a top. And we are not alone http://time.com/3834365/map-topless-laws/ this is the trend, like gay marriage. It will be legal nationwide sooner rather than later.

It’s a gender equality issue that all democrats should support.

[tammywammy]

112. That has changed. Idaho passed a law this year.

It is legal to breastfeed in public in all 50 states.

[stevenleser]

113. Even better. Thank you!!!

[Oppaloopa]

153. Thank you . It seems we even have some ignorant people on here.

[sarah FAILIN]

169. Not legal to expose yourself while doing so.

It is not required to take off your top to breast feed. This is 2 different issues.

[tammywammy]

173. Please show one instance of a breastfeeding woman convicted of indecent exposure.

BTW Idaho, along with many other states, specifically exempts breastfeeding women from public indecency laws.

[stevenleser]

194. ...crickets...

[sarah FAILIN]

257. The thread is a loser

I have no interest in wasting my time with a bunch of drama Queens with no modesty. If I could figure out how to keep the post notifications from popping up, that would be great since I can't even see most of the posts I'm getting notificationsome on.

[uppityperson]

258. Pot. Kettle.

[sarah FAILIN]

260. Oh how classy

Not really.

At least I never sat in public with my boob hanging out and a blanket over my head.

[stevenleser]

184. Yes, it is 100% legal to expose yourself while doing so. nt

[Oppaloopa]

152. Even in Florida the law is a woman cane breast feed anywhere.

[Mariana]

221. FAILIN doesn't seem to have a problem

with women breastfeeding anywhere - as long as they wear the equivalent of a burqa while they do it.

[Madam Mossfern]

231. Talking about hyperbole!

A diaper, cloth napkin or receiving blanket is hardly a burqa.

[Mariana]

239. Sure, it's hyperbole.

The reasoning behind this desire to shame women into covering up is exactly the same, though. FAILIN said outright that she will refuse to correct her son if he gawks at a breastfeeding mother. Women shouldn't have to cover their feeding babies heads just because someone is so ill-mannered that they feel entitled to stare, or to allow their children to stare.

[Madam Mossfern]

240. It's the mocking.

One needn't cover the baby's head- just drape a light cloth over her shoulder to block side view.
If her baby had issues with any cover up, she could have politely explained that to the person who asked her to cover up, but instead, she put the blanket over her head.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

4. Females have breasts for the purpose of feeding their young.....

Not for the sexualization of the human body.

It is MEN who are upset with a woman bearing a breast in order to feed a baby because they identify breasts with sex.

[heaven05]

5. exactly nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. Ding Ding

[MineralMan]

14. Indeed. That's why we're called mammals.

Such ridiculous shaming of people demonstrates how much we've forgotten that simple fact.

[Honeycombe8]

26. No, it's both genders, but mainly women, from my experience in hearing people talk about it.

This not covering is a recent thing. The covering up was always a female decision. Men are often fine with women showing their boobs, unless it's their wives.

[Mariana]

118. It was mostly men who wrote and passed the various laws

that made it a crime for women to show "too much" of their breasts in public, even when feeding their babies.

[Major Nikon]

30. Why then do men have nipples?

[Cold War Spook]

42. Nipples are developed in the first several weeks.

A little later are the differences of sex formed. That is all I know of the matter.

[MineralMan]

66. From the waist up, there's virtually no anatomical differences

between men and women. All male mammals have nipples. They're normally non-functional, but a course of hormone injections can change that. Mammals are called that because they have mammae. Males and females alike. There is no actual difference between the sexes in that regard.

We are so freaking stupid about stuff like that! Ugh!

[janterry]

104. I've known men who lactated

The key ingredient was not an injection, but a baby that they *wanted* to feed. (one husband did it for a few weeks, then stopped - he was afraid that his breasts would swell too much......

[MineralMan]

130. Yes. The pituitary gland can trigger release of those hormones

in men, too. It's not all that common, but it does happen. Men and women are far more alike than most people think. Even genitals have analogues in both sexes. But, that's getting into more detail than I care to explore here on DU.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

139. Men can get breast cancer, too.

[MineralMan]

140. They can, but it's almost always diagnosed too late.

Men need to feel themselves up from time to time, both in the breast area and the testicle area. Testicular cancer can be detected early and successfully treated. So, go ahead, guys, cop a cheap feel on yourself and "if you feel something, say something" to your doctor. It could mean your life.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

156. Also, men should get a base-line mammogram

at around age 50 - 55. It can establish what is normal tissue from what is not.

And, yes, Mineral Man, men are usually diagnosed too late. Men rarely think that they can get breast cancer. Men's MDs tend to be urologists and sadly, well, it's not their "area."

[bullwinkle428]

181. "You can milk anything with nipples!"

"I have nipples, Greg - can you milk me?"

[stevenleser]

207. I always thought he should have said, "Well, if you want to be milked so badly, get your Dr to give

you hormones and then, yes."

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

39. I think it is fine to find breasts sexy

But no one should have to cover themselves up because others find them sexy. Lol, and seriously, if you find someone to be attractive, why would you want them to cover up their body? That came from men wanting to own women. They knew their wives were attractive and could most definitely attract other men. They were insecure about it.

[GaYellowDawg]

96. THANK you

I don't know why no one is apparently willing to consider context. At times, breasts are for "the sexualization of the human body." Is there a woman on this board who, when engaging in sexual activity, would tell her partner "you make sure you ignore those nipples! They are for food delivery only!" That being said, at other times, they are for feeding. Nursing is not a display of any kind, and women shouldn't be criticized for nursing in public, ever. Sometimes people need to mind their own damn business.

[Madam Mossfern]

107. Breasts do have something to do with sex

that's why women enjoy their partners playing with them.

Please be clear that I breast fed all four of my children, sometimes in public. When I did, I usually pulled my shirt up so the baby could be underneath, or I used a receiving blanket draped over my shoulder with the understanding that some people would be uncomfortable. I didn't use it as a political statement...just feeding my baby.

[7962]

126. I don't understand why it has to be that way. You're right.

Theres nothing wrong with breast feeding a baby, but I don't see why folks cant just do what you did. It doesn't hinder the child or the mother. SO many people want to make a statement.
And my troll will be along to show his ass shortly, without offering anything of substance.

[tammywammy]

129. Many babies don't like to be covered while eating. n/t

[stevenleser]

131. This cover up the boobies of nursing mothers nonsense is medieval, dark ages stuff that

I expect to see from freepers and their ilk, not from Democrats.

[whathehell]

182. Hyperbolic much, lol?

"Dark ages" indeed.

[stevenleser]

183. No. It's actually not hyperbole. nt

[whathehell]

190. Yes. It actually is.

Unless the "dark ages" ended sometime in the late seventies. :

[stevenleser]

191. No, it actually isn't. And no the seventies have nothing to do with this. nt

[whathehell]

198. Yes, it actually is, and the seventies are a lot more relevant

than the "dark ages".

[stevenleser]

199. Nope, what is a medieval attitude has nothing to do with the 70s. nt

[whathehell]

202. Well, thanks for your learned opinion on the issue, lol

but if this "way" "no way" exchange is the best you can offer, I think I'll be saying Goodnight.

[stevenleser]

205. I wasn't aware that knowing that medieval does not equal 1970 had to do with being learned

I think most 4th graders know that.

[whathehell]

245. You seem unaware

of several things. Buh bye, now.

[stevenleser]

248. Nope, I'm not. Only of assertions that are wrong. Which you seem to make a lot. nt

[stevenleser]

141. Ermagherd...berbs!

[whathehell]

180. Correct...

and some people do tend to exhibitionism, PC protests to the conttary.

[Codeine]

146. I know plenty of women who think breasts are sexy

and still have no issue with making sure hungry babies get food.

Regardless of one’s perception of boob-sexiness decent people agree feeding a baby in public is perfectly fine and busybodies need to step off.

[oberliner]

6. This is in a restaurant?

[MineralMan]

12. Sure. That's where people of all ages eat.

Even babes in arms. And why not. I don't know about you, but I don't stare at adults and children eating in restaurants. I don't stare at babies eating, either. Heck, I'll be eating too. All animals have to eat. Its, you know, a natural thing for us.

[oberliner]

16. If it's a restaurant in the US, then they are required by law to allow the mother to breastfeed

Pretty sure that is the case in all 50 states.

If it was an employee of the restaurant who told her to "cover up" they likely were violating state law.

[MineralMan]

17. Yes. I wonder if it was a restaurant employee who

asked the woman to cover up. Perhaps not. Perhaps it was a fellow restaurant patron. Either way, "Fuck off!" is an appropriate response.

[oberliner]

18. Facebook removing the post is another interesting component here

I wonder how that will play out, and if FB has a specific policy on this.

[MineralMan]

22. Facebook is afraid of breasts. They routinely remove any photo

displaying such a shocking, rare part of the human anatomy. Breasts are NOT ALLOWED on Facebook, dammit!

Perhaps Mark Zuckerberg was frightened by a breast as a child and goes into fits of anxiety when he sees one. Otherwise, it's a puzzle.

[magicarpet]

56. No boobs on Facebook,... But Nazis, Fascists,...

... white supremacists, and Holocaust deniers are all welcome because freedom of expression and freedom of speech rights and all that stuff.

But boobs are persona (with mammary glands feeding a hungry child) non grata !

[MineralMan]

58. Yeah, well, there's lots of absurdity out there.

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Facebook deleting that photo is beyond ridiculous. The baby's head was hiding the woman's breast anyhow. That's almost always the case actually. The infant is being fed. Enough said.

[magicarpet]

87. Looks like an "R" got lost in your absurdity....

[MineralMan]

132. Hah! So it did. I'll fix it.

Thanks!

[Tipperary]

148. Elsewhere in this thread, someone points out that it was NOT removed from fb.

Cannot believe everything we read on the internet, now can we?

[KentuckyWoman]

19. they have to "allow" her

I know it isn't you. But it is still an ugly phrase.

[Honeycombe8]

27. Asking someone to cover her boobs is not "not allowing her to breastfeed." nt

[oberliner]

28. Good point

[sarah FAILIN]

34. My position on this too.

Modesty does not prevent you from publicly breastfeeding, it just means you think ahead and carry a scarf or like I did wear a tank under a regular shirt which was the style back then. I left the straps off the tank and it covered my stomach and back when I lifted my top shirt hem to nurse. Now they make shirt extenders that would do the same thing. It is easy to breastfeed without putting on a show. All these new moms discovered breastfeeding and think they created it though. You can't tell them anything.
My state law simply says they must be allowed to breastfeed. It does not give them permission to strip or put on a show like they believe it does.

[pnwmom]

41. No one needs to use a scarf or wear special clothing to disguise breast feeding. That is the law.

And that is the point of the photo. The mother HAS covered up - but she's put a cloth over her own head to make a point about not putting one over the baby.

I was too shy to nurse in public without a receiving blanket, but I APPLAUD women today who breastfeed their babies, no matter how they do it.

[barbtries]

45. ditto

i'm exceptionally modest. I would only rarely nurse in public and my poor babies would probably be sweating like crazy under the blanket.

by the way my own mother tried to shame me out of breastfeeding. she insisted that it was disgusting. in response i once squirted milk at her. i assume the formula makers in the 40s and 50s encouraged that thinking. but she was also a sexually repressed woman in other aspects as well.

[sarah FAILIN]

46. That is not the law in my state

My state law simply says they are to be allowed to breastfeed and does not say they may do so topless. The local inventors of breastfeeding shut down their fit pitching when this was pointed out.

People supporting topless or near topless breastfeeding like to pretend those that don't like them putting on a show are telling a nursing mom to cover up her baby with a heavy wool blanket to the point that the baby nearly dies as if it had been left in a hot car and that is a false equivalency. A woman can easily feed her baby without showing her skin in the extreme and without a covering touching her baby at all. A shawl over her own shoulder or a loose shirt pulled up from the bottom does the job just fine.

[uppityperson]

72. She's not topless or even 1/4 topless.Mind your own business and quit creating a show when an infant

nurses.

[sarah FAILIN]

76. I'm not the one with a receiving blanket on my head like an idiot.

In my state she would be illegal.

[uppityperson]

80. Why? You wrote this in another reply..

"in my state women are specifically forbidden from going around showing anything above the skin above the areola"

Having a blanket on your head is illegal? What state is that?

[pnwmom]

88. No skin above the areola? So no cleavage is allowed? Wow. What state is that? n/t

[pnwmom]

86. What state is that? I'd like to check your law. Or perhaps you could give me a link.

Because I don't think the woman in the OP would be illegal in any state.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/breastfeeding-state-laws.aspx

[tammywammy]

109. Alabama state law since 2006 allows breastfeeding in public.

It does not require the woman or child to be covered. Can you provide one example of a woman breastfeeding and convicted of indecent exposure?

[7962]

127. HA!!

[MineralMan]

134. Which state is that? I'll go look up the law.

Do tell. I'm betting you are incorrect.

[whathehell]

90. She's at least 1/4 topless & SatahFAILIN is as entitled to her opinion

as you are.... Maybe it's you who should "mind your own business".

[uppityperson]

92. You are saying that "SatahFAILIN" can share their opinion but I can't?

Oh. She's not topless, near topless, or even 1/4 topless or anywhere near what you see at a pool or beach.

[whathehell]

94. No, I'm saying you already HAVE shared your opinion without

SarahFAILIN or anyone else here being rude to you, so you should allow her the same

[uppityperson]

98. Maybe you missed reading my whole post

Mind your own business and quit creating a show when an infant nurses.


"When an infant nurses"

[whathehell]

106. Maybe, maybe not..

It reads rude, either way.

[uppityperson]

119. Anyone who implies a DUer is not "a man" because the sight of a nursing breast doesn't

excite them should expect a "rude" (tm) response.

[stevenleser]

133. Again, stunning that this was said here. Some folks really outed themselves. nt

[whathehell]

149. Um, I saw no such implication..

nor do I see anything in the DU Rules stating "Personal attacks allowed when deserved'", so good luck with that.

[uppityperson]

159. I was being polite by using "implied". I said rude, not personal attack but you are partially correc

Here is what she said, saying MM "obviously" isn't a man. Speaking of personal attacks.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10965535

Oh, I was under the impression you were a man

Obviously you aren't if you think you are going to tell me my son we should just ignore a woman pulling out her boob in front of us.

[pnwmom]

85. The OP doesn't show topless or near topless breastfeeding, so I don't know what you're talking about

[whathehell]

93. I've seen public breastfeefing with considerably less exposure

of the breast than is showing here, so.sorry, but I disagree.

[pnwmom]

97. And I've seen women on beaches, pools, restaurants, and other public

places with as much exposure.

https://firenewsfeed.com/lifestyle/105680

https://traprock.info/trap/k/kim-kardashian-blue-dresses.html

http://expressdigest.com/tamera-mowry-housley-flaunts-cleavage-in-strapless-dress/

[whathehell]

115. My condolences..

That said, beaches amd pools are places at which partial undress is expected -- Restaurants are not.

[pnwmom]

117. You didn't look at the evening gown pictures, any of which could have been worn in a restaurant.

[whathehell]

145. We disagree..

Have a good one -- Goodbye.

[Totally Tunsie]

175. Even in church...

Yeah, this might be a little "much"!

[pnwmom]

243. LOL! (Yuk)

[MineralMan]

255. Oh....that's TOO funny!

[stevenleser]

142. Ermagherd...berbs!

[uppityperson]

48. Good grief

This is hardly stripping or putting on a show.
Many babies won't nurse if they are covered.
And claiming you "can't tell (new moms) anything"? If you tell them to quit stripping, putting on a show, think they created breastfeeding, well I don't blame them for ignoring you.

[sarah FAILIN]

57. Yes, the old "my baby won't nurse unless I'm nakey..."

That has been said over and over. They will nurse if they are hungry if you dont make it a practice to nurse naked.

If you don't think taking pictures of you putting your receiving blanket over your head while taking half your shirt off to nurse a baby is putting on a show in the middle of a restaurant, we have different definitions of a whole lot of words.

Fyi.. in my state women are specifically forbidden from going around showing anything above the skin above the areola. It doesn't say anything about it being ok if you are breastfeeding. Men can go topless wherever they want.

[MineralMan]

60. Do you understand how ridiculous your argument sounds?

Here's the underlying principle here: It's none of anyone else's business that a woman is feeding her infant. Not mine. Not yours. Not anyone's. Your head can easily turn on your neck to avoid seeing what you think is disturbing about feeding an infant.

Leave mothers alone to feed their babies as they choose to! That's my advice to you.

[sarah FAILIN]

65. You can take your advice and stick it back in your own pocket.

I am female. I breastfed both of my kids and never had any incident at all with anyone even knowing what I was doing. Anyone making a scene like this is doing so just for the attention.

I think a lot of things you say are ridiculous and attention seeking, but do feel free to continue to go on as I will continue to ignore you.

[MineralMan]

69. Oh, on a public forum, I will feel free to post my opinion as I choose.

There is an Ignore feature on this forum, which is available to members here.

[sarah FAILIN]

77. Yes there is 'ignore'

And I'm putting you on it.

[sarah FAILIN]

79. And done.

[MineralMan]

136. Oh, thank goodness....

[Cha]

252. Lucky You.

[uppityperson]

74. How is replying to MM ignoring him?

[whathehell]

155. Um, yeah..He's free to ignote her as well.

Just sayin'.

[uppityperson]

157. And you are free to ignore me rather than replying to each reply

Just sayin'

[whathehell]

158. And the same is also true for you

.Just sayin'.

[uppityperson]

160. Of course. I don't need your permission to ignore your numerous replies to my posts.

Just sayin'

[whathehell]

163. Are you sure?

Because apparently you've not yet given yourself "permission"

[uppityperson]

167. Last word, last word

[whathehell]

154. Do you understamd how ridiculously lame your "argument"

of "just don't look" sounds? The same could be said of all public nudity
Btw,, I am also female, and I'd suggest you consider that listening to those with experience and an actual stake in the game just might be in order.
..

[tammywammy]

161. Yes! Just don't look.

When I see something I find distasteful I look away. If you find breastfeeding distasteful, be an adult and look away.

[whathehell]

164. Lol..Do advocate for public nudity on those grounds?

I hope not, because we'd all be walking into each other. Try again.

[tammywammy]

165. There are lots of places with public nudity

It's easy not to stare at people.

https://childdevelopmentinfo.com/development/honey-dont-stare/

[whathehell]

177. Lol..Not restaurants or city streets.

Nice try, though.

[stevenleser]

203. Actually yes, city streets. It's legal for women to be topless in NYC. nt

[whathehell]

247. Lol.. That's one city.

and it's an anomaly.

[stevenleser]

249. No, it's not. You really should research before you assert things.

http://time.com/3834365/map-topless-laws/

http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

[uppityperson]

168. I'm female, breastfed an infant who wouldn't eat if head covered

If seeing my nursing bothered you, just don't look. Or look away once you noticed us.

[whathehell]

176. No head covering needed..

and I will continue to do as I please when I see public breastfeefing

You have q nice day, now.

[uppityperson]

196. If you want my breast fully covered when nursing, my baby's head would be covered

My baby wouldn't nurse if their head was covered.

[whathehell]

201. It's not an issue of "fully covered".

It's one of not 'fully hanging out'.

[uppityperson]

68. You want other people's infants to starve until they do what you want them to? GG squared

That pict shows her shoulder! Gasp! Think of the children! Beware taking them to the beach or a pool, or anywhere in warm weather because there may be shoulders showing or even...stomachs!!!111

You must live in Afghanistan if " in my state women are specifically forbidden from going around showing anything above the skin above the areola" = burqa. That's the chest, neck, head.

I think making a fuss about someone else breastfeeding is making a show, not the nursing couple. Mind your own business and don't make a show.

Good grief.

[MineralMan]

54. The baby's head was covering her up just fine.

I just don't get it. Who cares? If I noticed a woman breast-feeding an infant, I certainly wouldn't stare at her, nor would I have any objection to it. I don't stare at adults while they're eating, either. In fact, i don't stare at people at all.

It's not polite to stare. It's not polite to tell people that they can't feed their child, too. It's a non-event, except for the two people involved, one adult and one infant.

For pete's sake! People should mind their own business and leave others to theirs.

The whole controversy is utter nonsense!

[sarah FAILIN]

61. No it was not.

I really don't care if you wouldn't stare, although I find it hard to believe you wouldn't look at a woman with a blanket on her head.
Let me tell you who would stare and be embarrassed. My teen son who has never even been on a date. Should we have to leave because some new inventor of breastfeeding wants to make a scene with half her top off and a receiving blanket on her head? No, I don't think so. Take the blanket off her head and put it on her own shoulder then quit acting like an idiot so everyone can be comfortable.

[MineralMan]

63. I don't give a damn about your teen son's fee-fees.

Why would you have to leave? There's nothing requiring your young son to stare at someone breastfeeding. In fact, it would be your job to tell him that was a rude thing to do. It's a teaching moment, that's all.

That you think your son does not know what a female breast looks like is surprising. I assure you that he does, one way or another. He will in no way be harmed if he encounters a woman feeding her infant. No harm will come to him, for pete's sake from seeing such a mundane thing.

He should mind his own business, as should you, frankly. It's a non-event.

[sarah FAILIN]

70. Oh, I was under the impression you were a man

Obviously you aren't if you think you are going to tell me my son we should just ignore a woman pulling out her boob in front of us.

Really, if anyone should mind their own business it would be you.

Once again, take this advice you seem to think I want and stick it back in your own pocket.

[MineralMan]

71. LOL....

[uppityperson]

78. OMG. MM isn't "a man" if he can ignore staring at the breast of a nursing mom???

[MineralMan]

137. Funny, isn't it?

Where I come from, "men" are capable of not staring at a woman feeding an infant. We outgrew all that at about age 16. My mom told me that "You know, you don't have to stare." I took the lesson and understood it.

[Laffy Kat]

123. Well, just don't look if it offends you, Christ.

You're obviously the one with the problem.

[tammywammy]

64. How about you be a parent and tell your son it's a mom feeding her baby and move on

Would that be too hard for you?

[MineralMan]

67. Exactly.

[sarah FAILIN]

73. Fraid so

She wants to put on a show, might as well give her an audience. I will not get on to my kid for looking at whatever he wants to.

[tammywammy]

81. Too hard to be a parent - gotcha.

It's best you teach your son to shame and stare at a woman feeding her child, than treating it matter of factly and moving on.

[uppityperson]

82. Exactly

Again

[unitedwethrive]

83. Many, many fashionable tops and dresses show more breast than we can see in this picture.

So, if fabric blocks the nipple, it is okay...but if it's a baby's head, then it's not?

[stevenleser]

110. You were trying to say something about the nursing mom(s) but she/they

Aren’t the ones about whom you just made a strong negative statement.

[stevenleser]

116. What you should be teaching your son is that it is possible to see women in any and all variations

of dress and undress and not behave like a jerk. Really it is.

Human beings have all kinds of natural urges that they can control. I imagine that each time someone stresses you out, you manage to control your fight/flight urge. This is no different.

[MineralMan]

138. So, you're refusing to teach your son common courtesy?

Really? Oh, well...if he ends up staring at women who are breast-feeding their infants, maybe the women's husbands will explain it to him in terms he can understand. Uff da!

[stevenleser]

143. Ermagherd...berbs!

[Codeine]

151. Holy shit, you're a piece of fucking work,

aren’t you?

[stevenleser]

185. Someone upthread said they thought I was being hyperbolic when I referred to some opinions being

expressed here as "Medieval, Dark Ages stuff".

No I wasn't being hyperbolic, and your post is 100% right.

[Codeine]

187. I am consistently floored by that poster.

I can’t even begin to understand why she posts here.

[Crunchy Frog]

206. I voted not to hide that BTW.

In context, I thought it was fairly tame.

[Cha]

251. lol

[sarah FAILIN]

172. I can see that I had responses in this post..

But since I put the person I responded to on ignore I can't see what was said.
You might want to put me on ignore also.

[uppityperson]

174. You are replying to yourself, telling yourself to put yourself on ignore.

[stevenleser]

186. As Codeine said, quite a piece of work. nt

[Mariana]

225. Really?

"I will not get on to my kid for looking at whatever he wants to."

If you really mean that, then you also stand by and allow him to stare at people who look different because of disabilities, deformities, or injuries. Nice.

"I will not get on to my kid for looking at whatever he wants to."

[uppityperson]

75. Exactly.

[Madam Mossfern]

114. sarah FAILIN ...

I agree with you 100%!

[uppityperson]

124. No breast feeding without fully covering because a teenage boy will simultaneously

stare and be embarrassed.

How about teaching teenage boys to not stare, especially if they are embarrassed and that nursing infants is
normal, natural ?

"He was so embarrassed he couldn't look away" is an odd reason to place limitations on feeding infants.

[Madam Mossfern]

179. This not a limitation on feeding infants

Again, another political statement.

I nursed four children, sometimes in public, without pulling my arm out of my sleeve and exposing my entire breast.
That mom apparently had a receiving blanket and could have put the baby under her shirt. Her putting the blanket over her face was just a mocking gesture.

[Codeine]

188. Of course it was a mocking gesture,

because mockery was the only appropriate response.

[Madam Mossfern]

197. In my opinion

mocking is never an appropriate response.

[uppityperson]

193. Yes it is. You need to be covered, showing no breast, is a limitation

[Madam Mossfern]

195. Not "need"

just a consideration. I don't dictate behavior, but I do have an opinion.

[stevenleser]

125. You agree that breasts will embarrass her teenage son? Really? Do you think there are teens

in the US left who haven't seen breasts on the internet? I just checked, wikipedia has a full entry on breasts that pretty thoroughly describes their biological function and yes, the entry has pictures.

Is this what parenting is to you? Protecting teens from seeing moms breastfeed their babies?

[Madam Mossfern]

178. That's not what I meant

But yes, if people want to be considerate, then the factor in what other people's sensibilities may be, whether a teenage boy or another woman. Some people are just uncomfortable.

When did consideration become out of fashion?

[stevenleser]

189. The consideration that needs to be shown is to the hungry baby. That's the #1 consideration.

Every other consideration is very far down the list.

Your priorities and Sarahs are way out of whack.

[Madam Mossfern]

208. She could have taken that receiving blanket

that she mockingly put over her face and draped it over her shoulder.
I've nursed babies in public an never had a problem ... and that was decades ago.
This is not a novel experience.

Oh how I miss polite society...

[stevenleser]

209. Nope, she shouldn't have needed to do anything of the kind. Her comfort and the baby's is what

matters.

[Madam Mossfern]

211. How would she be uncomfortable draping a receiving blanket over her shoulder?

Trust me, those blankets are so light and small that the baby wouldn't be in discomfort from it either. You're making assumptions that the baby was 'starving' and that it would have been torture for both mom and babe for mom to be discrete.

I would guess that you've never nursed a baby.

[stevenleser]

212. That's up to her and how she feels. It's not up to anyone else. nt

[Madam Mossfern]

213. Honestly now

Is that your answer?

It's not the nursing, but the mocking that is objectionable. Is that the kind of behavior that she's going to teach her child - to mock? Are you positing that people should behave as they feel in public no matter what?

Again, I mourn the loss of polite society.

[stevenleser]

214. That's my answer. The #1 consideration is the hungry baby and the mother speaks for the baby

and her comfort in feeding the baby is what matters.

[Madam Mossfern]

216. ... so she puts a blanket over her head

OK, that really helped the baby.

[tammywammy]

219. Do you really think the blanket was on her head for more than a couple of minutes at most?

She doesn't have to cover up. Maybe the baby doesn't like the blanket on their head. Maybe the mom just didn't fucking want to do it, because there's absolutely nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public.

She put the blanket on her head because some asswipe told her to cover up. It's a joke.

[Madam Mossfern]

220. Mocking is not joking

No, she doesn't have to cover up, but she can understand that other people may feel uncomfortable. It's called being considerate.
Do you know that the baby doesn't like a blanket or are you just making that up to validate your response?

I have never said anything against nursing, nor nursing in public.

[tammywammy]

224. I said maybe, since it's pretty common for babies to not like being covered while nursing.

And maybe she just didn't want to fucking do it.

Speaking of consideration, I don't find it very considerate for some stranger to tell a nursing mom to "cover up" because they have a problem.

The people telling this mom to cover up are the ones with a problem not the mom.

[Madam Mossfern]

227. And this was the perfect opportunity for that mom

to engage that person in conversation about it. Do you know who that "stranger" was? It could have been an employee of the restaurant who was reacting to a complaint about her exposure .... if one wants to engage in conjecture. (like the baby in the photo didn't like his head covered. )

BTW, from experience, one can use a cloth draped over the mom's shoulder that doesn't cover the baby's head just shields the view from the side. It's altogether possible. I know, I've done it.

[uppityperson]

228. She doesn't have to cover up, but she should be considerate and cover up.

She and the nursing infant should be more considerate towards other adults than those adults should be towards them.

Why?

[Madam Mossfern]

229. Because being a considerate person

is not conditional.

[uppityperson]

233. Yet other people, those like you, don't need to be considerate of nursing babies and moms.

I disagree that she and the nursing infant should be more considerate towards other adults than those adults should be towards them.

Just look away. It's really that simple.

[stevenleser]

215. Nursing mothers don't think it's polite that you are trying to shame them. Where is your politeness?

They are feeding the next generation. What's your excuse?

[Madam Mossfern]

218. I nursed four babies

there's no shame in nursing. There's also no shame in being discrete and considering other people's sensibilities. It doesn't cost anything; babies can be fed quite easily without exposing the entire breast. I don't need an excuse.

What's the excuse for her mocking behavior? She could have just as easily had a conversation with the person and both come away with a better understanding of how each other felt.

[stevenleser]

223. If you nursed four babies, your position is even harder to understand. nt

[Madam Mossfern]

226. I'm just a considerate person

and my children have learned that from me.

Believe me, they never went hungry, and it was never a problem to be discrete while nursing them in public. None of them suffocated. The woman in the OP photo had taken her arm out of the sleeve of her top in order to expose her entire breast - I've never had to do that at any time, nor have I seen that done by anyone else either. I don't know, but when I was nursing my babies and had to go out in public with them, I always wore a loose shirt, blouse or sweater and made sure that there was a receiving blanket or cloth diaper in the diaper bag.

One doesn't need to have an 'in your face' attitude. Women have been nursing their babies since the beginning of time and it wasn't a political statement until recently. This generation of moms hasn't invented it, they're not more special. The babies? Well they don't really care.

[uppityperson]

232. She took a strap off her shoulder, there is no sleeve. Look at her right shoulder

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[Madam Mossfern]

235. And she could have taken the blanket that she has on her head

and draped it over her shoulder. No one would have suffered from that.
Strap/sleeve - she took her arm out and looks like she is more in a state of undress than I have ever seen a woman nursing in public.
What did she do when the baby was done? Most often they take a pause during nursing and the entire breast would have been exposed.

Mind you I personally have nothing against nudity - I was trained as a figure painter and taught life drawing.

[stevenleser]

237. No, you're not being considerate. Being considerate would mean you care about the comfort of other

women nursing and their babies.

[Madam Mossfern]

238. ... and her mocking behavior?

Remember - that's what I object to.

[uppityperson]

241. You object to the momentary mocking behavior yet write reply after reply stating nursing moms should

cover up, and that nursing moms should be considerate of those who can't simply look away instead of putting the onus on the starers. Your repeatedly posting that makes your current assertion that what you object to is "mocking" not very believable. Fwiw.

[Madam Mossfern]

242. It's about consideration all around.

Yes, most nursing moms feed their babies in public discretely.
She missed a moment to communicate and decided to ridicule instead.

The issue is communication, not being right.

Yes, breasts are sexualized in this society, so some people would feel uncomfortable.
It's not the same as someone coming up to her and asking her to change her hairstyle because the one she has offends him.

Wait...

[uppityperson]

200. The main consideration should be to the hungry baby.

Not nursing a hungry baby because a teenage boy or after woman might be uncomfortable is inane and very inconsiderate of the baby who needs nourishment.

[Madam Mossfern]

204. C'mon now

I fed all my hungry babies in public without exposing my breasts.
That is what I think one would call a straw man argument.

She could have taken that receiving blanket that she put over her head and draped it over her shoulder,

[uppityperson]

234. My baby wouldn't nurse if covered. Not understanding this possibility is disrespectful.

[Madam Mossfern]

236. I understand the possibility

but you don't know that's the situation, do you?

[Codeine]

150. You need to teach your kid some manner then.

My kids know not to stare for any reason, and I’m sure they both have a reasonable notion of what bewbs look like.

[maxrandb]

254. The whole point of the recieving blanket being over her head

is in response to someone telling her to "cover up" Did you read the post at all?

It says that some busy-body "told her to cover-up". You have no knowledge of whether she had the blanket to the side, or was trying to be discreet in the first place.

For all you know, she had a "split-second, Janet Jackson, OMG, nip-slip", and some asshole came over and told her to cover up.

Please...don't ever take your teen son to the beaches in Palma De Mallorca, or let him watch ANYTHING on prime time TV.

Sports is out too...have you seen the number of crotch shots from the Cheerleaders.

On a positive note, I guess there's absolutely no way you'd let your son watch Faux News, or is it just breast-feeding that's offensive and not "frontless desks" and mini-skirts?

[Codeine]

147. You are quite literally NEVER on the right

side of any issue. Predictable as spring rain.

[ChubbyStar]

217. Laughed really hard

Perfect reply.

[whathehell]

91. I agree...n/t

[KY_EnviroGuy]

121. Appears to be so from the tables and a waiter, but...

the lady that posted it (Sara FeldmannBrummer) on Twitter is from Richmond-upon-Thames, UK and said it was a friend of a friend, but it could have been taken anywhere on the planet where's there are nice restaurants (could be people on holiday).....all of which is none of my damn business, LOL.

So, methinks we make too much of things seen on social media. Especially where there's no context or location given.

We used to say a picture is worth a thousand words, but a photo on social media is apparently worth around ten billion.

[Oneironaut]

7. Omg! Bewbs!!!1!

[handmade34]

8. my hero of the day!

[Rorey]

10. Those who find it offensive

have the option of not looking.

I hope the mom in this photo didn't keep that cover over head for long. Babies love that eye contact. I would love to have seen her put the cover over the head of the offended person(s).

[MineralMan]

15. Exactly. Why would anyone stare in the first place?

The complainer should have a group of people standing around staring at him or her while he or she eats. Those people could make comments like, "Oh, disgusting!"

[Rorey]

53. LOL, and a lot of people do look disgusting when they eat.

Nursing babies are adorable.

[Mariana]

259. The only reason someone would stare in the first place

is because they have no manners whatsoever.

[MineralMan]

261. That seems about right to me.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

40. Bingo. When I was a nursing mother,

I would just stare down the men who glared at me in public. I refused to feel shame, I refused to cover up while feeding my baby.

[Rorey]

52. Good for you!

When my daughter was about two months old, I had to fly with her. Naturally she got irritable with the pressure thing, and naturally I nursed her to help alleviate that. This guy next to me acted a little uncomfortable and annoyed. I figured that he'd also be annoyed at my baby crying, and my baby and I would be unhappy too. Ordinarily I'm considerate of the feelings of others, but he wasn't the priority in this case.

If only I had worn a "I really don't care. Do you?" jacket, but, alas, they weren't on the market at that time.

[MineralMan]

13. A great move on her part.

Since the person who told her to cover up has reduced her and her baby to boobs and lips, already, why not cover up her head?

Funny and very much to the point.

[mountain grammy]

20. Right in the middle of my second cup of coffee..

Thanks.

[keithbvadu2]

21. Male Politicians Warn Exposed Boobs May Cause Society To Collapse

Male Politicians Warn Exposed Boobs May Cause Society To Collapse

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-hampshire-law-topless-women_us_56d49cbee4b03260bf77b2ff?cps=gravity_2687_-2073763509411055123

[MineralMan]

25. That's an old story. Did the law pass?

I don't remember hearing that it did. Let's go see:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-hampshire-topless_us_56e07c3ee4b065e2e3d485cc

Nope. It didn't. So NH women can still "pull their nipples out" if they so choose, apparently.

What a funny thing human ignorance is!

[keithbvadu2]

32. Alas! The attitude remains.

[Major Nikon]

31. Free the boobies!

[Alwaysna]

35. Maybe male politicians are the "real" boobs!

[stevenleser]

144. Ermagherd...berbs!

[calimary]

230. That kind of thing tells you more about the complainers

than it does about those the complainers are complaining about.

[generalbetrayus]

23. The only "cover up" I care about

is the one going on in the White House and in the Republican Caucus on Capitol Hill.

[Iggo]

29. How dare that baby eat outside food at a resaurant!

That's not on the menu!!!

He brought that food from home!!!

[Sneederbunk]

33. Many men favor indiscretion.

[uppityperson]

50. Many babies don't care.

[stevenleser]

111. I would argue many equals all.

[wasupaloopa]

36. So yesterday I am at a nudist club in So Cal

and a young pregnant woman very nude goes into the pool. No big deal to anyone there. It’s just a part of humanity we all were at one time a part of. All of us born some of us giving birth. It is human nature.

[GulfCoast66]

37. She should have offered the towel to the theocrat who was offended

So he could cover his eyes and not be offended.

[AwakeAtLast]

99. That's what i was thinking!

Best answer, IMO!

[Cairycat]

38. In some cases it's much more comfortable

to nurse a baby with the breast more exposed, as in the picture. My youngest had a rough birth and had some problems nursing in the early weeks. It was painful to nurse him more covered up. I myself would not have felt comfortable nursing him in public in the more exposed way, but people should realize it may be much easier on mother or baby. Who decides what is "discreet" enough? Anyone who doesn't like seeing breasts used for their intended purpose is free to look away.

[barbtries]

43. why would fb take it down?

a mother feeding her child and telling some asshole with a stick up its ass where to go. i love it

[Iggo]

49. 'Cause sexually repressed American males get a sex boner when they see boobies.

Yeah, I don't get it either.

I've seen tons of boobs and I'm over it.

Oh wait. Maybe that's it...

[demmiblue]

55. Years ago, I posted a story about breastfeeding.

I believe it was about enlisted women. I posted a photo of one of the women (in uniform) breastfeeding twins... a DUer commented that he had a new fetish. I think he still posts here. Le sigh.

[Ilsa]

47. She should have covered the face of the whiner.

But I suppose that would be assault.

[The Genealogist]

84. I don't get the uproar over boobs

Sheesh. I remember years ago now being on a company picnic, the company being a specifically Christian one at which I was an intern. We all went out on our boss's sailboat, probably about 10 of us. One of the women breast fed her baby right there in front of all of us. Not one person said a single word. Not. One. Single. Person. If it is such a dirty, shocking thing, you'd think someone in that group would've said something. I only remember it because I wasn't used to women doing it. People need to grow the hell up accept the fact that mammals like humans nurse their young. It is natural, it is normal.

[Generic Brad]

95. Breast feeding is the new cornflake battered fried chicken

Many on DU certainly have strong and passionate opinions on the matter.

[Bayard]

108. I don't either

I also don't understand why women are forced to wear bras in public, like the shape of a nipple thru a t-shirt makes you a slut.

They're just boobs, and everybody has them. And I hate bras.

[GulfCoast66]

170. Women are forced to wear bras in public?

My wife does at work as she is a successful professional but seldom does while not working.

[Mariana]

122. Some men won't control themselves, apparently.

It takes way too much effort to, you know, look away. And it seems some women don't want to be bothered to teach their sons to control themselves.

[stevenleser]

135. But they teach their sons to control themselves in many other areas. Thats the thing

I am sure they teach their sons to properly deal with their fight or flight reaction to stress.

My 1st trip to Europe was to the Canary Islands when I was 12. Women go topless on the beaches there. I had never seen an adult woman's breasts before. (This is pre-internet, yeah, I know I am dating myself.).

It took me exactly 3 minutes to get over my reaction and deal. After that I wasn't fazed. This really is not that big of a deal.

[Croney]

89. Maybe this was pointed out already, but FB didn't take this down.

I'm always skeptical when a post says, "Facebook won't let us post XYZ, so let's share the heck out of this! That'll show 'em!" Usually it's some Jesus picture or right-wing meme. I did a simple search and found it widely posted.

I'm a vocal supporter of breastfeeding anywhere a baby gets hungry.

[spanone]

102. K&R...

[Demovictory9]

103. lol

[Laffy Kat]

120. .....

Love this!

[Victor_c3]

128. Phew!

I’m so glad she covered up. This like foul (fowl?) language and breast feeding offend me to no end!

[retread]

162. Is this Olive Garden?

[Scurrilous]

166. K&R

[rocktivity]

192. Happy Breastfeeding Awareness Month!

http://yourHHRSnews.com




rocktivity

[Guilded Lilly]

210. So many ignorant American people (men and women) are infected with this prudish notion...

that a breast is primarily sexual and society must...at the victimizing of the mother...shield their fragile sexual hang ups from such wanton flesh being exposed! Gasp.

Pffft.

Look away. Or better yet, let the shamer cover their own head.

[hunter]

244. For a thread with so many replies this one is remarkably short from my DU perspective.

My ignore list must be working overtime.

For whatever it's worth, women in my family tend to be militant about breastfeeding. My wife breastfed our children anywhere, anytime, as have our moms and siblings and daughters.

At the moment I'm wondering how this issue is correlated with other political issues, and somewhat tempted to open this thread in an incognito window just to see exactly what sort of train wreck this thread actually is...

Organic gardening maybe? Rainbow flag issues? What?

Maybe I don't want to know.

Nipples are fun, no denying that, man or woman, but first order business is feeding babies. Covered or not.

[stevenleser]

256. It's a total of three folks who think that women's breasts are "dirty pillows" as Austin Powers put

it. They think that breastfeeding women should be forced to cover up.

[iluvtennis]

246. Love it.

[IronLionZion]

250. People can also look away

or cover their own eyes if they don't want to see it.

[Cairycat]

253. a Public Service Announcement

when you are talking about how much women should be covered up while breastfeeding, the term you want is "discreet" NOT "discrete". Here are the definitions of both words:

DISCREET
adjective
judicious in one's conduct or speech, especially with regard to respecting privacy or maintaining silence about something of a delicate nature; prudent; circumspect.
showing prudence and circumspection; decorous:
a discreet silence.
modestly unobtrusive; unostentatious:
a discreet, finely wrought gold necklace.


DISCRETE
adjective
apart or detached from others; separate; distinct:
six discrete parts.
consisting of or characterized by distinct or individual parts; discontinuous.
Mathematics.
(of a topology or topological space) having the property that every subset is an open set.
defined only for an isolated set of points:
a discrete variable.
using only arithmetic and algebra; not involving calculus:
discrete methods.


Sorry, had to get that off my chest, so to speak.