Internal poll for El-Sayed shows undecideds broke big for Whitmer.

[NCTraveler]

As highlighted by El-Sayed, it was taken just before Sanders/Ocasio “jumped in to help.”

Link to tweet

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[DinahMoeHum]

1. So much for AOC's influence.

The ORs laid a big fat smelly egg on this race.

[OilemFirchen]

2. I don't want to start a thread about it...

but how are the Bronx Wunderkind and her saintly grandpa doing tonight?

[chrsjrcj]

3. AOC is a Dem.

Stop being divisive.

[OilemFirchen]

5. I said nothing divisive.

Stop being divisive.

[Cha]

6. AOC is the one who was hoping for "low turnout"..

Link to tweet

Gretchen Whitmer was encouraging Michiganders to GOTV

Link to tweet

[chrsjrcj]

10. Where does she say that she wants low turnout?

She's stating the reality that a small amount of people vote in primaries period. So to win, you only need to win 1/2 of the people that turn out. It's not rocket science.

[Cha]

11. Sorry, you can't explain AOC's comments.. others have

tried and failed, too.

[Cha]

21. All you have is a personal Attack, liberalnarb.. Too bad

you can't handle Progressive Dems pushing back at AOC's OWN Words.

[liberalnarb]

23. It's not personal, its just blatantly obvious.

[Cha]

26. It's a personal attack that has nothing to do with reality. So

what we call out AOC's OWN WORDS?

You have to throw in a personal attack just because I don't think like you do.

[Cha]

37. Yes, it was "personal" and you shouldn't have to be

told that.

[lapucelle]

38. Perhaps some think it can be read as blatantly and obviously personal.

[NurseJackie]

50. It was definitely personal and it serves no good purpose.

[NCTraveler]

45. Progressive Democrats Fighting!!!

[Cha]

46. Yes! Thank You, NCTraveler!

[fleabiscuit]

36. Democrats also notice the company one keeps and vote accordingly. nt

[Ninsianna]

47. She has been spending her time attacking other Democrats.

It's up to us to call out the divisive forces, even when they're coming from ostensible Dems.

[NurseJackie]

51. Well said!

It's up to us to call out the divisive forces, even when they're coming from ostensible Dems.

Well said!

[Ninsianna]

65. She was engaging in baseless, unwarranted attacks, in an area she

had zero knowledge of and candidates she knew squat about. She joined in on the toxic attacks of her chosen candidate, against a woman who actually is ideologically and practically progressive, who was not playing dirty politics that AOC and her chosen candidate were.

It was not appreciated by the communities she brought this divisive crap to, nor by the people she ignored after claiming a razor thin margin in a place she won due to low voter turnout, which she apparently is enthused about.

This is not a good look for her or her ideology, and it's not good for Dems.

[Wwcd]

8. Wonder if they'll return to campaign for Whitmer against Schuette.

Or just ignore MI ....

[Cha]

13. Ha! I wonder if El Sayed will?

[Wwcd]

15. Naaah. Their work is done.

DEM for Whitmer

[Cha]

20. And, they came up

short.

Wwcd Gretchen!

:

[Wwcd]

22. Mmmm...hmmmm..yup.

[Cha]

25. Perfect!

[Wwcd]

32. Nite Cha!

Heading to the beach tomorrow with the family..finally v.a.c.a.t.i.o.n. 🐳🦎🌴

[Cha]

35. Ohh.. Enjoy your Vacay, Wwcd!

Beautiful shot of somewhere!

[Cha]

67. Looks Like All You have are Freaking Personal ATTACKS.

I am glad to be wrong.

Boomerrang your "concern trolling" right backatcha

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10977548

[Cha]

70. You "grow some skin" you call someone a "concern troll" it's

a personal attack.

My "agenda" was for Gretchen Whitmer to WIN, For Sharice Davids to WIN, and for William Lacy Clay to WIN!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

William Lacy Clay!

[OilemFirchen]

14. I asked that question weeks ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10889371

Dawg bless sheshe, otherwise I'd have nothin' but crickets.

[Cha]

42. Good on you, Oilem! i've been

having questions about that, too.. especially El Sayed with his desperate scorched earth policy.

[OilemFirchen]

71. Kudos to El-Sayed.

But that wasn't my question, was it?

Will their advocates and their followers help the winning "establishment status quo" candidate going into the GE?

That's yet to be determined.

BTW, do you usually ask a question after you know the answer?

[Cha]

76. I don't think

he's going to be able to answer your question, Oilem.

[OilemFirchen]

77. Damn.

And he seemed so personable!

[Cha]

85. LOL! Oh that and so much

MOAR!

[NurseJackie]

52. The latter.

The latter. I fully expect. I've seen this before. (Sigh.)

[JHan]

75. they'll ignore michigan. They're not serious..

I want to be wrong on that, it would be great if they rally behind the incumbents they targeted but it's highly unlikely. If Cortez is smart she will do that, it will help her considerably when she assumes office.

But I don't get their tactics. If I were trying to establish an ultra-progressive core in the Democratic Party, a progressive version of the freedom caucus, you know.. a super duper squared to the superpower of progressivity caucus, I would move a lot smarter than this.

But what do I know? Destructive tactics is the only tool in their box I guess.

[lapucelle]

79. Well based on the data in El-Sayed's tweet

and the results of the election, it might be better if some people just went home to campaign in their own races.

[RhodeIslandOne]

9. They may pay out in KS 03

Still early, but their chosen candidate maintains an almost double digit lead.

[joshcryer]

17. 50/50

As per usual with Our Revolution candidates.

Ask the question again in November.

[OilemFirchen]

72. Looks like one for four.

A nod's as good as wink, I guess.

[question everything]

34. And Saners. One more candidate for whom he campaigned and failed

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. He's a great Democrat. So is Shri.

Hopefully a seat in the Whitmer Administration. It will be Granholm 2.0 w the mess Snyder (and then Engler) had left for those Michiganders, but, Gov. Granholm got stuff done all the while, Michigan Auto Companies actively outsourced the auto manufacturing to foreign countries...then blamed her. Gretchen is a tough customer and she thinks of others before herself it seems.
. See Gretchen Whitmer Reads Mean Tweets.

[Ninsianna]

48. How is he a "great Democrat" exactly?

He's never run for office or done anything for the party at any level. He also didn't vote, not even in the last election, muttered something about not being able to stand in line at a precinct he wasn't registered to vote in, in a state that had early absentee voting.

Shri also has no history with the party at any level, we don't know what he did last election cycle, and he was contemplating running as a Republican and understood that his funny name, accent and foreign religion wasn't going to get him far in that party.

What have either of these men done to deserve a seat in an administration?

I'm interested in how they both step up from now onto November, especially Abdul, considering the nature of the divisive attacks he used.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

59. They didnt deserve to win.."great Democrat" but the one guy got a lot of votes

for helping Detroit. Both of them stood up to try to make a state a better place. Im glad the lady won, but, we are going to need everyone who cares to triage the gop madness that has overtaken this land. That's what I meant.
And....they arent green party.

[chillfactor]

7. I was pulling for El-Sayed

sorry to see he lost.

[Cha]

12. I'm Ecstatic that El Sayed Lost!

Gretchen Whitmer will be the Best for Michigan!

Link to tweet

[liberalnarb]

18. How bizarre.

Abdul would have have made a wonderful governor. He is the type of bold Progressive leader we need to carry us out of this mess. Plus, I would like to see Muslim Americans more represented in government as they are under assault by the current fascist government.

[Cha]

24. Endorsements for Gretchen Whitmer! Michiganders Know BEST..

Link to tweet

Endorsements..

Progressive groups:

EMILY’s List
MI List
Michigan Association for Justice
Progressive Women’s Alliance
Sierra Club Michigan Chapter
Planned Parenthood Advocates of Michigan

Unions (representing more than 1 million Michigan workers):

the Michigan AFL-CIO;
the United Auto Workers;
the Michigan Education Association;
the Michigan Construction and Building Trades Council;
the Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters and Millwrights;
the Michigan State Utility Workers Council;
the Michigan Pipe Trades Association;
the Michigan Joint Council of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union;
the Service Employees International Union
United Food and Commercial Workers Locals 876 and 951;
United Steelworkers;
Communications Workers of America District 4;
Iron Workers Local 25;
the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council #43;
the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades District Council 1M;
the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Michigan State Conference;
the Michigan Professional Fire Fighters Union;
AFSCME Council 25;
the Michigan Laborers District Council

Progressive leaders:

Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan
Former Governor Jim Blanchard
Wayne County Executive Warren Evans
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy
Wayne County Sheriff Benny Napoleon
Oakland County Treasurer Andy Meisner
Oakland County Water Resources Commissioner Jim Nash
Oakland County Commissioner Helaine Zack
Oakland County Commissioner Gary McGillivray
Macomb County Executive Mark Hackel
Macomb County Sheriff Anthony Wickersham
Macomb County Prosecutor Eric Smith
U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand
U.S. Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI09) of Royal Oak
U.S. Rep. Dan Kildee (D-MI05) of Flint Township
U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-MI14) of Southfield
U.S. Rep Debbie Dingell (D-MI12) of Dearborn
Former Michigan Attorney General Frank J. Kelley
Lansing Mayor Andy Schor
Senate Democratic Leader Jim Ananich (Flint)
Democratic Senate Floor Leader Morris Hood III (Detroit)
Senator Steve Bieda (Warren)
Senator Hoon-Yung Hopgood (Taylor)
Senator Vincent Gregory (Lathrup Village)
Senator Curtis Hertel (East Lansing)
Senator Rebekah Warren (Ann Arbor)
Democratic House Leader Sam Singh (East Lansing)
Democratic House Floor Leader Christine Greig (Farmington Hills)
Representative Jeremy Moss (Southfield)
Representative Erika Geiss (Taylor)
Representative Fred Durhal (Detroit)
Representative Sherry Gay-Dagnogo (Detroit)
Representative Stephanie Chang (Detroit)
Representative Leslie Love (Detroit)
Representative Robert Kosowski (Westland)
Representative Kevin Hertel (St. Clair Shores)
Representative Kristy Pagan (Canton)
Representative Robert Wittenberg (Huntington Woods)
Representative Patrick Green (Warren)
Representative Tim Greimel (Auburn Hills)
Representative Pam Faris (Clio)
Representative Phil Phelps (Flint)
Representative Tim Sneller (Burton)
Representative Donna Lasinski (D-Scio Township)
Representative Ronnie Peterson (Ypsilanti)
Representative Jon Hoadley (Kalamazoo)
Representative Tom Cochran (Mason)
Representative David LaGrand (Grand Rapids)
Representative Winnie Brinks (Grand Rapids)
Representative Terry Sabo (Muskegon)
Representative Sara Cambensy (Marquette)
Representative Scott Dianda (Calumet)
Oak Park Mayor Marian McClellan

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10966949

[liberalnarb]

27. The more centrist candidates most often receive the vast majority of high profile endorsements.

At least 99% of those groups/people would have endorsed El Sayed had he won the nomination. Why such disdain for more ambitious left politics?

[Cha]

29. LOL! ".. the more ambitious left".. GMAB. Face reality Michiganders

know Best!

[liberalnarb]

31. So bizarre.

[Cha]

33. Backatcha "so bizarre"

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

62. Not really.

[betsuni]

40. "more ambitious left politics" "bold progressives"

[NCTraveler]

41. And women aren't?

Now that’s bizarre.

[brer cat]

73. +1000 nt

[George II]

43. Apparently according to Michigan Democrats Gretchen Whitmer will make a better Governor.

[Ninsianna]

49. It's bizarre to assume that a guy who has never held elected office, who didn't seem to

grasp the basics of even the topic he claimed to be an expert on, and who never actually led anything, would be a "wonderful governor. The type of bold progressive leader we need to carry us out of this mess, is someone who is actually bold, who has been a leader and who actually has a history of making progress.

I'm thrilled to see Women Americans more represented in government as we have been under assault by literally every Republican government, and lately also from the people who imagine themselves to be "bold progressives" who are leading the charge in attacking women leaders who will not kneel before some ineffectual dude who demands allegiance but who has never made any progress himself.

I'm even more thrilled that the people attacking Emily's List have been outed for what they are.

[Wwcd]

19. I'M ECSTATIC TOO, Cha!! 🤗 💖💙💚

Can't wait for El Sayed & Bernie & AOC to return to campaign for Whitmer this fall!!

That'll help put a Dem in the MI Gov seat.
And Dems help each other defeat Repubs, right Cha!

That'll be so nice of them.

[Cha]

30. Yeah, we'll see..

[R B Garr]

39. LOL, I was thinking the same thing, Wwcd!

Can’t wait to see them show up to campaign against Republicans.

[betsuni]

44. Heh.

[NurseJackie]

54. Exactly! Well said...

Gretchen Whitmer will be the Best for Michigan!

Exactly! Well said. It's time for people to wake up to the fact that Vermont-style politicians don't always do well in statewide elections outside of Vermont. The idea here is to choose the BEST Democrat, an HONEST Democrat, and someone who ALSO has the best chance of winning a statewide election.

GO GRETCHEN!

[Cha]

55. Aloha, Jackie!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

She Won!

[NurseJackie]

56. I'm thrilled! The scorched-earth tactics from her opponent...

I'm thrilled! The scorched-earth tactics from her opponent were disappointing. As a result, I think it would probably be best if he just politely accepts defeat, gives a perfunctory endorsement, then goes into hiding and remains silent for the duration.

If he makes ANY public appearances or gives ANY interviews, the false "laundering" accusations will continue to be brought up. This is the type of thing where he's given the GOP a way to make the same false accusations. His continue presence will just be a reminder.

All I'm saying is that I've seen this type of thing happen before (and that's all I'm going to say about that.)

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

61. Nice lady.

Sweet countenance.

[Cha]

68. Yes!

[wonkwest]

28. I bet the laundering thing did him in

It was clumsy, ill-advised, and cringe-inducing.

I like the guy generally, but if I were an undecided Michigan voter, I would've distanced from him after that fiasco. It was unnecessary and entirely self-inflicted.

That said, I saw many, many times on this board that he's "distant third!" Nah. He did respectably for being an outside shot. Can't have change without planting seeds, even if some of our own want to dig up the garden. What can ya do.

Whitmer will be just fine. I hope El-Sayed campaigns hard for her.

[Ninsianna]

53. People were *PISSED*

They were also upset about the numerous times he lied, got caught lying and then lied some more. The egotistical nonsense with the visiting out of state people also annoyed people. The sunday before the election they had "rallies" where they were whining about reporters on the ground tweeting pictures of the rally not being what it was billed to be. She was tweeting out pics in real time and they were still attacking her.

He was a distant 3rd in every poll. He did well in particular areas where the young electorate had been prepped by propaganda and ill education to spout silly made up words as epithets. He's kinda the one who wanted to dig up the garden.

I believe Whitmer will be fine, she knows her electorate and they know her.

I am wondering how El-Sayed undoes the damage he did to her and how he will campaign. The amount of roiling hate he has been trafficking in, is something to behold, not just on twitter with the bots from out of the country and the state (who are still spewing quite a lot of inchoate rage), but in the people.

We had so many unpleasant encounters with his supporters while calling, issues with signs being vandalized and hidden, etc. He made a giant toxic mess and he has so much to clean up, let's see if he's able or willing to do so.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

63. No WONDER you are pissed about him.

Local politics dont get telegraphed nationwide. Good to know that information.

[Ninsianna]

64. Nope, people were really blind to the stuff he was pushing.

He had another attack where he was claiming she "didn't show up".

The woman has been showing up for 14 freaking years. That she was ignoring minorities. She's the only one (that includes Shri) who was showing up to our community events (Indian ones, the Hindu ones, the ones for various state and linguistic groups). She's the only one, Abdul apparently didn't realize we even existed, though a large part of our community literally works in the same field as his wife and the one he claimed to be a part of.)

Wander into the medical community in MI, especially the metro Detroit one and you realize it's not all Arab Muslims and that we too exist here as a well settled community and that we're politically active. Gretchen knew, because she's been here, and her staff and volunteers reflected that, even if the union sponsored ads didn't meet with Abdul's approval (after his birther claims, he said that he didn't see any minorities in the union ads Gretchen had nothing to do with -- she appeared in them at their request, but didn't plan or direct them.)

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

66. Wow.

I thought from the beginning any of the other two would be a disaster. Ive family in Detroit. Other than the Dearborn area it is exactly how you describe. Good job kicking ass. I saw her mean tweet video and loved her ever since.

[Ninsianna]

87. Abdul is from Bloomfield Hills, the Dearborn support (which he imagined was all the minorty

support he needed, since he made no effort with any of the well established minorities in the state, and his own literal backyard) was not based on his policies.

Look, people will support their own community members, and that's great, but you have to have good policies and have a good argument for yourself, and he did not.

Then he went negative against a woman who HAS been a friend to the communities he never knew existed.

I hope he lives up to his word and cleans up his mess. That's the problem with smears and character assassination, how do you undo that?

We'll see how he does, and I hope people will stop demanding that he get a consolation prize for being an also ran, that's not how one governs well.

[wonkwest]

74. "the young electorate had been prepped by propaganda"

See, this is what I mean.

This shitting on Millennials needs to end.

It's so condescending and so dangerous to our electoral chances.

God forbid a politician speaks to the needs and concerns of Millennials.

No. Stupid young people! They're not so smart!

The upper half of Millennials are now in their 30s. Not so young. Not so stupid.

[Ninsianna]

86. See, this is what making assumptions and whining about what people are saying about

millenials makes millenials look bad.

Did I mention millenials? I am one, and it's condescending and dangerous to play right into the negative things people say about us. The world does not revolve around us, and no matter how spry we're all feeling, we're not the "young electorate".

The high school and college kids were LIED TO, were being shat upon by people taking advantage of their naivete and their failure to understand history or basic functions of government.

God forbid people call out politicians for ignoring needs and concerns of actual millenials and catering the stupidity of young people who have made it clear that they were not very smart. They actually believed that "free college" meant that they wouldn't have to repay their loans, and that the January 2017 semester would be free.

Upper half of millenials were not stupid, we knew that our little brothers and sisters were being lied to, and that they didn't understand the difference between policy, plans and slogans. That simply attending a rally wasn't the same thing as getting involved, holding politicians accountable, VOTING, or understanding how congress works and why simply screaming at women leaders and throwing tantrums wasn't in anyway going to change anything.

We're not young, we're not stupid, and we understand why listening to bots online and on forums and having a snit whenever we think the "olds" are talking down to us, usually in response to dumb shit some of us say in ignorance.

Please stop with the self appointed spokesposter for our age group, our elder siblings are not amused, nor is our age cohort and we need to deal with our younger sibs, because some of them are still spouting the propaganda they were fed a couple of years ago. Quite a lot have woken up and are not buying the BS anymore.

Stop with the self centered condescension and the whining, we've got work to do, and yelling at people who we imagine are attacking us is just a waste of time.

We're on the ticket all over the country and we're supporting great candidates, who understand that we're not a monolith, perhaps it's time that understanding expands to those who imagine themselves appointed spokespeople for us as well.

[NCTraveler]

80. Whitmer is change.

I really like your post but that is how the propoganda is being sold to millennials. That narrative is deceptive, dangerous and destructive.

[wonkwest]

81. Whitmer is change

There's no argument about that at all.

In a primary, we lean towards who comes closest to our politics. I felt El-Sayed was a bit closer to me. Just saying that doesn't mean I think Whitmer isn't a vast improvement either. They can both be good. In a primary, we tend to go with who we feel might be a little bit better.

However, his behavior left much to be desired, and he turned me off him.

Propaganda is sold to everyone all of the time. It cuts both ways. I haven't been hallucinating various intimations that progressives are some sort of Russian-connected spoiler force. That's been peddled around, even here.

The best we can do is critically think.

I very much want Whitmer to win. Michigan needs a fucking break. Since everything where I live is safely blue, I'm seriously considering directing some of my allocated donation money her way. Because, again, Michigan needs a fucking break.

[NCTraveler]

82. "Propaganda is sold to everyone all of the time."

Yes, it is.

[lapucelle]

78. That's pretty awkward. N/T

[jillan]

83. Why are we bashing Democrats? El-Sayed graciously lost & is now

on team Whitmer, vowing to do everything he can to help her win.

Ocasio is also a Dem, people love her. She is trying to help get other Dems elected.

I must confess I haven't spent much time on DU over the last year but when I left the rules were not to bash fellow democrats.
Has that changed?

[NCTraveler]

84. How is discussing how late voters broke...

Bashing Democrats?

I’ve spent a considerable amount of time here over the years and respectful criticism of Democrats has always been allowed. This isn’t that but is a historical trend on this site you seem to have missed.