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G_j

(40,372 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:41 PM Aug 2018

Spike Lee Wants Us to Respect Our White Allies: 'White People Have Died For Justice'

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/spike-lee-wants-us-to-respect-our-white-allies-white-p-1828175768

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Lee never holds his tongue. In fact, instead of addressing your lil’ president by name, he calls him Agent Orange or more affectionately, “Orange Motherfucker,” which is what he called him during our very candid chat.

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TR: I was moved towards the end of the movie where you show protest footage from now, drawing a parallel to Klan activity in the past. There was a moment where I paused because you chose to show a lot of non-black people protesting ...

SL: Here’s the thing, my sister. If you look the civil rights movement, white people died in Mississippi, Alabama, Kent State during the Vietnam protests. White people have died for justice. So it was not a matter of saying, ‘I can’t put Heather Heyer at the end of the film because she’s not black.

First of all, she was out there protesting those motherfuckers. If you look at Charlottesville footage, those were not all black people protesting, those were good white people who we have alliances with. I didn’t tell those people in the film to scream and yell, ‘Black Lives Matter!’ They were doing it on their own. So I have no problem. Right is right and Heather Heyer is a martyr. She gave her life for justice.

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Charlottesville, that was not just black people out there. I had no hesitation at all showing her face the end. She was courageous. It’s not a black and white thing for me. Heather Heyer was on the side of truth, of justice. She was out there trying to say no to the Klan, no to alt-right, no to those motherfucking Neo-Nazis.

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Spike Lee Wants Us to Respect Our White Allies: 'White People Have Died For Justice' (Original Post) G_j Aug 2018 OP
I am interested to see this movie. MuseRider Aug 2018 #1
The comments on that post are something else oberliner Aug 2018 #2
I find this one very distressing: Goodheart Aug 2018 #8
If it was not for 30-40% of White people consistently voting for justice and equality. Blue_true Aug 2018 #17
Spike's a liberal, one of us. This person doesn't Hortensis Aug 2018 #22
It is distressing TheKingofSoup Aug 2018 #23
AMEN!! Would NOT surprise to find out that ALOT of the more egregious comments on that The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2018 #26
Many white people marched with Rev. King. Many here demosincebirth Aug 2018 #27
Conciliation is no match for chest thumping on the Internet BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #28
power to the people spicysista Aug 2018 #3
Beautiful photos G_j Aug 2018 #5
Love your post. Super excited about Spike's new joint! spicysista Aug 2018 #7
THANK YOU Raine Aug 2018 #12
We're always stronger together. spicysista Aug 2018 #13
Thank you mountain grammy Aug 2018 #21
... LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #30
That's a great photo, but it's not a picture of Bernie. spicysista Aug 2018 #32
Okay, thanks for the clarification LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #34
Cool... spicysista Aug 2018 #35
He is right. It is a decent vs rotten issue. PurgedVoter Aug 2018 #4
Spike is right. brush Aug 2018 #6
appreciate this from Spike Lee KT2000 Aug 2018 #9
THANK YOU Spike Lee Raine Aug 2018 #10
Spike is a national treasure BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #11
Just another NYC sophisticate doing that nuance thing BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #14
KnR and thanks Hekate Aug 2018 #15
Spike is on point MrScorpio Aug 2018 #16
True. An injustice to one is an injustice to all. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #19
I'm going to see the movie this weekend. Can't wait. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #18
Love it. At first the term allies put me off. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #20
My uncle had a coworker who was a liberal Republican tirebiter Aug 2018 #24
K&R, uponit7771 Aug 2018 #25
SPIKE LEE IS GREAT.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #29
I have always respected heaven05 Aug 2018 #31
K&R... spanone Aug 2018 #33

MuseRider

(34,125 posts)
1. I am interested to see this movie.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:47 PM
Aug 2018

I like Spike Lee. I bought the tickets for Saturday night already.

Goodheart

(5,345 posts)
8. I find this one very distressing:
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 06:22 PM
Aug 2018

"We don’t have to embrace them [white people] and act like they care about us. They don’t. We don’t need white people to love us and I think many Black Americans struggle with that concept. They are never going to love us. They are never going to accept us. And we have to be okay with that. We have to stop treating white Americans like they’re parents who hate us. We will never get their approval."

Whoever wrote that is as wrong as he/she could be.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. If it was not for 30-40% of White people consistently voting for justice and equality.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:47 PM
Aug 2018

The country would still be in the racial dark ages, something much, much, much worse than today. Cops have always killed Black people unjustly in some cases, but in the 50s, 40s, 30s, they did it without a smidgen of fear that they would be investigated and maybe jailed. We still have a long way to go, but we are way ahead of where we were.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Spike's a liberal, one of us. This person doesn't
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:15 PM
Aug 2018

understand him and white liberals and I'm pretty sure doesn't want to. Maintaining divisions is important to some. This one really doesn't sound all that bad compared to many, and I can't guess how implacable this is, maybe a lot maybe not all that much.

 

TheKingofSoup

(11 posts)
23. It is distressing
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:20 PM
Aug 2018

It is distressing but it’s not necessarily wrong. There were, and are, a lot of white people who managed to vote right, say the right things, display the right books on their shelves, go to the right meetings and even protests, send checks to the right organizations, etc., all without ever actually believing Black people were the moral and intellectual equal of Whites. Not all, but a lot. And in one way, that can be seen as good enough, but in another, more important way, it’s really not. And the difference is detectable.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(729 posts)
26. AMEN!! Would NOT surprise to find out that ALOT of the more egregious comments on that
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:39 PM
Aug 2018

board are from russian trolls. Besides, at least HALF of my family is white, not to mention my husband. SMDH

demosincebirth

(12,543 posts)
27. Many white people marched with Rev. King. Many here
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 01:50 AM
Aug 2018

Are not old enough to remember that. Also, two white students were murdered, along with a black student by clansmen who evaded justice for decades

BeyondGeography

(39,383 posts)
28. Conciliation is no match for chest thumping on the Internet
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 03:49 AM
Aug 2018

or any other safe space where relatively nothing of personal consequence is at stake.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
32. That's a great photo, but it's not a picture of Bernie.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:33 PM
Aug 2018

According to SNOPES and later confirmed by the Sanders' campaign.....


Bernie Sanders Marched with MLK at Selma?

A photograph doesn't show Bernie Sanders marching from Selma to Montgomery in 1965 with Martin Luther King, Jr.

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CLAIM

A photograph shows Bernie Sanders at a 1965 civil rights march with Martin Luther King, Jr. See Example( s )


EXAMPLES
Collected via e-mail, January 2016

Did Bernie Sanders really march from Selma to Montgomery? People seem to think it's him in this photo:
bernie sanders
RATING


False

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ORIGIN

On 20 January 2016, the web site Democratic Underground posted a photograph purportedly showing Bernie Sanders participating in a 1965 civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery (Alabama) with Martin Luther King, Jr. The web site identified the man standing “behind Coretta King, just right of Old Glory in the glasses, white ‘t’ shirt, open collar and dark jacket” as the future United States senator and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate:

bernie sanders selma
The man pictured in the above-displayed photograph does bear a resemblance to a young Bernie Sanders, but that similarity isn’t sufficient by itself to confirm that Sanders took part in the 1965 Selma to Montgomery march:

The above-displayed image was taken on 26 March 1965, and a caption to the photograph provided by licenser Corbis Images identifies Martin Luther King, Jr. along with several other prominent political leaders but makes no mention of Bernie Sanders:


Dr. Martin Luther King (C) leads thousands of civil rights demonstrators out on the last leg of their Selma to Montgomery 50-mile hike. Others identifiable in the front row include John Davis (2nd from L) of SNCC, King’s aide Reverend Ralph Abernathy (3rd from L), Dr. Ralph Bunche (5th from L), Mrs. King (next to her husband) and Reverend Hosea Williams (carrying little girl, R).

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This photograph has been widely available for decades, but it wasn’t until January 2016 that Bernie Sanders’ name became associated with a face in the crowd. Although Sanders has stated that he did participate in the landmark “March on Washington” civil rights event of August 1963 (where Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his iconic “I Have a Dream” speech), we haven’t found any record of Sanders’ claiming that he was also present at any other civil rights march involving Martin Luther King, Jr:


On the national holiday named for the civil rights leader, Sen. Bernie Sanders called the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., “one of the great leaders in American history.” Sanders, then a college student, was in the crowd on The Mall in Washington when King delivered his “I have a dream” speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. “We must never forget his heroic efforts to end segregation and racial injustice. It is also important, however, to remember that he fought for a society in which all people had good jobs at good wages and that quality education and health care were available to all. At a time when we have an almost record number of Americans living in poverty, obscene levels of income and wealth inequality and millions working longer hours for lower pay, we still have much to learn from Dr. King’s extraordinary life.”

As Mother Jones noted, Sander’s active participation in the Civil Rights movement was “brief and localized” and effectively ended in 1963:


Sanders’ involvement was brief and localized, his sacrifices limited to one arrest for protesting and a bad GPA from neglecting his studies. But Sanders was, in his own right, an active participant in the movement during his three years at the University of Chicago.

Although Sanders did attend the 1963 March on Washington, at which Lewis spoke, most of his work was in and around Hyde Park, where he became involved with the campus chapter of CORE [Congress of Racial Equality] shortly after transferring......

For complete article: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-mlk-selma-march/

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
34. Okay, thanks for the clarification
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

Damn internet! I hadn't researched that enough. I just knew he had an activist past and found that picture.

I'd still give him props for marching and organizing protests in his youth anyways, even if not in that particular march. Such as....

During Sanders’ first year in Chicago, a group of apartment-hunting white and black students had discovered that off-campus buildings owned by the university were refusing to rent to black students, in violation of the school’s policies. CORE organized a 15-day sit-in at the administration building, which Sanders helped lead.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/bernie-sanders-core-university-chicago/

PurgedVoter

(2,220 posts)
4. He is right. It is a decent vs rotten issue.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 05:59 PM
Aug 2018

Conservative has meant racist since the beginning. When they say conservative values, they mean hatred. Ask a conservative to name one conservative value. They will look around the room first to see if they can unload racist bull. That is all they got.

BannonsLiver

(16,470 posts)
11. Spike is a national treasure
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 06:47 PM
Aug 2018

I recently re-watched Do the Right Thing for the first time in many years. It is a masterpiece. I love everything about it.

BeyondGeography

(39,383 posts)
14. Just another NYC sophisticate doing that nuance thing
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 06:57 PM
Aug 2018


Spike’s a great human. Deeply loyal too, as any Knick fan will tell you.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. True. An injustice to one is an injustice to all.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:55 PM
Aug 2018

Though people will differ on what exactly is an injustice. But there are things we can all agree on. Charlottesville, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, the pics of Obama as a witchdoctor and the like.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
20. Love it. At first the term allies put me off.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:58 PM
Aug 2018

Since I see everyone in the struggle for justice as my ally.

Then I thought about it and realized I am thinking like a 50 year old white male and African Americans do not have the privilege to make that assumption that whites are their allies.

3 years on DU has made me realize that and I am thankful. Why I love this site.

tirebiter

(2,539 posts)
24. My uncle had a coworker who was a liberal Republican
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

This was in the 50's and early 60's, they did exist. He would use his vacation time every year to go march with the NAACP in peaceful demonstration. He was white and would be up front so that if law enforcement or anybody else chose to wreak violence on the marchers he'd be the first to take it if anything came down.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
31. I have always respected
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:17 PM
Aug 2018

allies. It's the hateful subculture I do not respect. Schwerner, Chaney, Goodman, Viola Luizzo, Heather Heyer to name just a few of many KIA, and all the WIA's I put my hand out too. I have bled with them, literally. Spiro Agnew got me hit in the head by a nightstick-truncheon. It hurt. I respect anyone on the line... All allies and comrades to me. No problem. It's the snakes in the grass that makes me careful.....they'll be in D.C. this weekend.

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