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BREAKING: Franklin County reports a counting error; they're reducing Balderson's tally by 190. (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2018 OP
Interesting. honest.abe Aug 2018 #1
Yep, that would have been nice. LisaL Aug 2018 #8
Source? Thx irisblue Aug 2018 #2
I just heard on MSNBC RandySF Aug 2018 #4
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2018 #3
Dang! R B Garr Aug 2018 #5
Holy cow! blue neen Aug 2018 #6
Gee, I wonder how that happened. C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #7
There's nothing like working in an election office during a high-profile race RandySF Aug 2018 #9
One of the precincts hadn't been added in. shraby Aug 2018 #12
But he had more votes than he should have. C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #15
I think OP meant Balderson's lead is decreased by 190 votes. O'Connor did get extra 190 votes. LisaL Aug 2018 #19
kornacki is just reporting this on msnbc spanone Aug 2018 #10
Looks like recount territory. RandySF Aug 2018 #11
Provisional ballots would have to swing strongly for O'Connor for that. bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #14
There is more than 8,000 provisional and absentee ballots still to be counted. LisaL Aug 2018 #16
This is true. bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #17
8435 provisional and mail in ballots yet to be counted, not unti 11 days after Election Day, by law. Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #18
that's a lot of ballots AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #35
So O'Connor would need to gain about 500 more votes out of over 8000. Doable. triron Aug 2018 #43
Danny O'Conner tweeted too + Franklin County Press release BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #13
the numbers.......... Takket Aug 2018 #20
Provisional ballots do favor democrats. Not sure about absentee, I guess it depends from LisaL Aug 2018 #21
Ballots Cast By County Make7 Aug 2018 #22
My guess is those provisionals are mostly people that where purged from voter rolls. lancelyons Aug 2018 #42
MSNBC guy said absentee ballots usu. favor Republicans 'cause of military. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #23
Unfortunately, you're correct. VOX Aug 2018 #31
and include lots of Russians BamaRefugee Aug 2018 #38
I think whether a provisional ballot is allowed is up to local election officers... Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #24
Yes, but backed up by judges FBaggins Aug 2018 #28
The issues are usually easily resolved Boomer Aug 2018 #41
Often that's because he moved, so his address is wrong on his registration. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #44
OK I hope he gets the 1 vote win just to see Trump lose his mind. grantcart Aug 2018 #26
It seems highly unlikely unless more counting errors come out in our favor FBaggins Aug 2018 #32
It would be great if the provisional ballots turned the election. gulliver Aug 2018 #39
Except that there is no surge of provisionals FBaggins Aug 2018 #40
It was 3,435 provisonal ballots as of yesterday. gulliver Aug 2018 #34
will every provisional ballot be verified and counted? AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #36
I don't know. gulliver Aug 2018 #37
So they're still making "counting errors." dchill Aug 2018 #25
Keep in mind that counties run elections FBaggins Aug 2018 #27
The county is very blue. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #29
We need to make voting in this country sacrosanct. That is if we want a Democracy. YOHABLO Aug 2018 #30
+1, but you know ... its better to own 41234234 guns per person cause the 2nd uponit7771 Aug 2018 #33

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
7. Gee, I wonder how that happened.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:25 PM
Aug 2018

A couple hundred here, a couple hundred there and a whole election could be stolen.

RandySF

(84,284 posts)
9. There's nothing like working in an election office during a high-profile race
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:29 PM
Aug 2018

And when it's this close, a typo can be a big deal.

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
15. But he had more votes than he should have.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:38 PM
Aug 2018

That doesn't sound like a missing precinct. Maybe a double counted precinct?

(On edit: nevermind, the official letters below made clearer)

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
19. I think OP meant Balderson's lead is decreased by 190 votes. O'Connor did get extra 190 votes.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:42 PM
Aug 2018

bearsfootball516

(6,713 posts)
14. Provisional ballots would have to swing strongly for O'Connor for that.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:37 PM
Aug 2018

Balderson was up 1,754 votes, or 0.9 percent. After the addition of O'Connor's votes, it'll be 1,564, which isn't going to drop that 0.9 percent to 0.5, which is what is needed for a recount.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
16. There is more than 8,000 provisional and absentee ballots still to be counted.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:38 PM
Aug 2018

So it's possible.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. 8435 provisional and mail in ballots yet to be counted, not unti 11 days after Election Day, by law.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018

Rather sensible so any all Election Day issues can be addressed, like this, and a final call on the result can be held in calm.

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
35. that's a lot of ballots
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:42 PM
Aug 2018

I hope they will count each and every ballot. There is still a very good chance to win.

BumRushDaShow

(169,757 posts)
13. Danny O'Conner tweeted too + Franklin County Press release
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:36 PM
Aug 2018


TEXT

Danny O'Connor

@dannyoconnor1
US House candidate, OH-12

🚨 6:05 PM UPDATE 🚨

We just netted 190 VOTES from Franklin County!

We're confident DANNY WILL WIN once ALL the votes are counted, but we spent EVERYTHING we had on the Special Election.

Please donate $5 to make sure EVERY LAST VOTE is counted fairly.https://bit.ly/2vrhrAg
6:05 PM - Aug 8, 2018




TEXT

Owen Daugherty @_owendaugherty

Confirmed: O’Connor nabs another 190 votes due to counting error in #OH12. Here’s the press release from the Franklin County Board of Elections.
5:47 PM - Aug 8, 2018

Takket

(23,715 posts)
20. the numbers..........
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:47 PM
Aug 2018

Balderson 101772
O'Connor 100208
Lead: 1564 (0.8%)

0.5% triggers automatic recount

8543 provisional/absentee ballots need to be counted yet

If O'Conner wins those 4528 to 4015 (53% of the uncounted ballots) he would close the gap to 50.25% to 49.75% and trigger the automatic recount.

If O'Connor wins those 5054 to 3489 (59% of the uncounted ballots) he would take a 1 vote lead (but obviously recount would still be done).

The first scenario is likely to happen if what I ehar about provisional/absentee favoring Dems is true. The second is a longer shot but could happen too.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
21. Provisional ballots do favor democrats. Not sure about absentee, I guess it depends from
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 07:52 PM
Aug 2018

what county they are from.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
42. My guess is those provisionals are mostly people that where purged from voter rolls.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 10:23 PM
Aug 2018

Most of these probably lean democratic.

hard to predict the absentee.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. MSNBC guy said absentee ballots usu. favor Republicans 'cause of military.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:37 PM
Aug 2018

And my guess is they also include more seniors.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. I think whether a provisional ballot is allowed is up to local election officers...
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:40 PM
Aug 2018

so it's not a given. They could disallow many of them. They are provisional because there was an issue with the voter's registration or address or something.

Boomer

(4,405 posts)
41. The issues are usually easily resolved
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 10:06 PM
Aug 2018

The most common reason for a provisional ballot is that a registered voter ended up at the wrong polling station and decided to vote provisional rather than drive over to another location.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Often that's because he moved, so his address is wrong on his registration.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

I don't trust the Republicans or Russians. That's easy pickins to throw away a few Democratic votes.

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
32. It seems highly unlikely unless more counting errors come out in our favor
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:20 PM
Aug 2018

I'd expect O'Connor to outperform prior Democratic candidates in the district in absentee ballots, but still at a lower percentage than his performance in the election-day voting... and only 1100 of them are from Franklin County ( a significantly lower percentage of the total vote than the county played in the election overall). The provisional ballots have to go heavily in our favor.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
39. It would be great if the provisional ballots turned the election.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:57 PM
Aug 2018

I'm thinking the vast majority of them are likely Dems, possibly victimized by Republican voter suppression efforts. A win based on votes that Republicans tried and failed to suppress would be nice.

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
40. Except that there is no surge of provisionals
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 10:06 PM
Aug 2018

The number (as a proportion of the total vote) isn't markedly higher than in the last few elections. So we would have to imagine a simultaneous surge of suppressed voters showing up (when Ohio has been accused of it in prior cycles) AND an unusual drop in all the other reasons for provisionals.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
34. It was 3,435 provisonal ballots as of yesterday.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:33 PM
Aug 2018

I'm betting the lion's share of those are minorities victimized by Ohio's voter purge and other suppression efforts. So I think we'll get a ton of votes out of that 3,435, at least I hope so.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
37. I don't know.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:53 PM
Aug 2018

I understand the folks who got them had to swear out an affadavit stating they were entitled to vote, so at least they felt strongly that their vote was legitimate.

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
27. Keep in mind that counties run elections
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:05 PM
Aug 2018

The parts of Franklin County that are in the 12th district my lean moderately red, but the county itself (and likely most responsible for the county) are is solidly blue.

Moreover... they found a net 190 votes for O'Connor.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
33. +1, but you know ... its better to own 41234234 guns per person cause the 2nd
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 09:28 PM
Aug 2018

... said so.

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