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John Gruff

(58 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:23 PM Aug 2018

Tulsi Gabbard won't debate Democratic opponent, sparking accusations of hypocrisy

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by berniesandersmittens (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Tulsi Gabbard's defense of Vladimir Putin as well as her denial that Syria's Assad killed his people with chemical weapons are thought to be reasons why Gabbard won't debate (so as to avoid tough questions).

Ms. Gabbard called for more debates between Hillary Clinton and her favorite Bernie Sanders in 2016:

from The Guardian yesterday:

It is not uncommon for dominant incumbents to generally avoid debates. But Gabbard’s decision to decline to participate in such a forum has exposed her to charges of hypocrisy, since she forcefully advocated for adding more debates between Clinton and Sanders in 2016 in a high-profile split from other DNC leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/10/tulsi-gabbard-how-a-progressive-rising-star-is-a-paradox-for-the-left


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Tulsi Gabbard won't debate Democratic opponent, sparking accusations of hypocrisy (Original Post) John Gruff Aug 2018 OP
She should debate her opponent. I don't care whether or not this is strategically unwise, ie JCanete Aug 2018 #1
I agree. n/t demmiblue Aug 2018 #25
A prominent Senator ducked a scheduled debate/forum about two weeks ago, too. George II Aug 2018 #60
2016 Tulsi Gabbard: Why won't Hillary have more debates with Bernie? 2018 Tulsi Gabbard: Gothmog Aug 2018 #67
she is being primaried by a qualified true DEMOCRATIC progressive today msongs Aug 2018 #2
Excellent. It looks like Tulsi's hypocrisy is being exposed bigly. Her concern R B Garr Aug 2018 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #76
That doesn't change Sherry's Qualifications or that Cha Aug 2018 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #80
Welcome? to DU. Again in your first hour you go to attempted scatalogical insult of DU members. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #86
A feminist & anti-homophobe disagree with you. Regardless, your First Post attempts insults Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #90
Wouldn't you know.. gabbard has a rep like this Cha Aug 2018 #87
Looks like Hawaii Dems need a change. oasis Aug 2018 #3
We Hope! I'm getting ready to Cha Aug 2018 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #81
Don't tell me how to vote. I bet gabbard is real proud Cha Aug 2018 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #88
Just keep gloating. Cha Aug 2018 #89
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #79
Look what we have, oasis.. someone named Cha Aug 2018 #85
Sign wavers showing class with their mahalo. oasis Aug 2018 #91
Mahalo, oasis! Cha Aug 2018 #92
Got a present for you.. Cha Aug 2018 #93
Boomerang oasis Aug 2018 #94
Karma, baby! Cha Aug 2018 #95
True that. oasis Aug 2018 #96
No worries, oasis.. Cha Aug 2018 #97
Oh wow.. just saw this.. :( Cha Aug 2018 #98
I woke up this a.m.to #98post on Sherry's statement. oasis Aug 2018 #109
Instead, just the opposite happened.. Cha Aug 2018 #110
I'm One of Her Constituents Ccarmona Aug 2018 #4
She will likely win the primary in a landslide oberliner Aug 2018 #7
Yup, no need to debate when you've got name recognition. oasis Aug 2018 #9
Or when you hold regular events with your constituents oberliner Aug 2018 #10
Tulsi also "earned the respect" of Donald Trump, who considered oasis Aug 2018 #12
Clearly, you touched a nerve with that reply. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #15
If you want to continue bashing this Democrat, be my guest oberliner Aug 2018 #17
Bash? Asking a legitimate question is bashing now? oasis Aug 2018 #19
Seemed like you were trying to associate her with Trump oberliner Aug 2018 #20
Try this. Look at Trump's cabinet as presently constituted. oasis Aug 2018 #29
None oberliner Aug 2018 #30
"Proposing" a deal w/Chuck and Nancy is not an invitation oasis Aug 2018 #36
How do you feel about her friend Sheldon Adelson? Hortensis Aug 2018 #45
Obama had republicans in his cabinet. vsrazdem Aug 2018 #56
Obama is not a narrow minded asshole. Trump very much is. oasis Aug 2018 #58
Do you really believe he even considered her. It was all for show. vsrazdem Aug 2018 #69
Why her? Remember Trump selects only the best. oasis Aug 2018 #70
What Oasis stated is a fact obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #44
Donald Trump meets with prominent Sanders supporter Tulsi Gabbard OnDoutside Aug 2018 #47
No worries, oasis.. pointing out Gabbard's association with Cha Aug 2018 #23
No, Tulsi isn't "liked" by all her Constituents. The Hawaii's Teacher's Cha Aug 2018 #21
The accusation of "bashing" was with respect to the post that seemed to try to connect her w/Trump oberliner Aug 2018 #24
Your accusation of "bashing" because of trying to connect her to trump is ludicrous, too.. Cha Aug 2018 #28
Not just ludicrous... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #31
Right.. Gabbard "connected" herself to trump and we're Cha Aug 2018 #39
What is the point of connecting her to Trump other than to bash her? oberliner Aug 2018 #34
Open your eyes.. Gabbard Connected herself to trump. Cha Aug 2018 #38
Ding, Ding, Ding ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #48
Shouldn't try to spin Cha Aug 2018 #50
Yes. Gabbard is not an innocent victim mcar Aug 2018 #54
I hate that she's Cha Aug 2018 #59
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #32
OK - replace "bashing" with "connecting to Trump" oberliner Aug 2018 #35
Maybe these same questions would be raised in the oasis Aug 2018 #40
"Democrat" obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #43
Gee, was it bashing "the Democrat" when she went after President Obama? I find your selective still_one Aug 2018 #55
+1 nt brer cat Aug 2018 #72
Gabbard hasn't earned my Respect or The Hawaii Teachers' Cha Aug 2018 #18
"When you only look at her education vote, she's fine," he said. oberliner Aug 2018 #22
Yeah, Gabbard is Not "great".. she doesn't even have Cha Aug 2018 #26
Well soon they will be allies working together to defeat Brian Evans oberliner Aug 2018 #27
Sanders did the same thing back in July George II Aug 2018 #61
I mean, it works. joshcryer Aug 2018 #74
I don't like her.. she's too chicken to debate Sherry Campagna Cha Aug 2018 #16
Campagna seems to have solid Dem credentials. I wish her well. oasis Aug 2018 #33
Sherry has these awesome endorsements, too, oasis! Cha Aug 2018 #37
I can get on board with Campagna as a "new face" in Congress. nt oasis Aug 2018 #42
It would be brilliant if all the Gabbard "Signs" in the Cha Aug 2018 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #75
Doesn't matter.. It doesn't change what gabbard is. Cha Aug 2018 #77
She is a TRojan Horse wingnut obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #41
Gabbard was always going on foxsux and whining about President Cha Aug 2018 #63
Crowley Wouldn't Debate Me. Aug 2018 #5
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Joe Crowley Debate June 15th, 2018 oberliner Aug 2018 #6
I think every incumbant should debate SkyDancer Aug 2018 #11
Hypocrisy looks bad on her. n/t Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #13
After what Putin did to America, and specifically the Democratic Party, it is beyond belief that a OnDoutside Aug 2018 #49
She needs to debate her opponent..... riversedge Aug 2018 #51
The primary is today oberliner Aug 2018 #53
Thanks, rivers! Cha Aug 2018 #68
She is a hypocrite mcar Aug 2018 #52
Oh yeah.. she's a flaming hypocrite, too. Cha Aug 2018 #64
Not the bravest move but hoping for Gabbard victories anyway N/T Devil Child Aug 2018 #57
I'm hoping for Sherry Campagna and so is the Hawaii Teacher's Cha Aug 2018 #62
Here's an excerpt of Vox' analysis of the Gabbard/Campagna/et. al. primary: George II Aug 2018 #65
The Democratic primary voters have just given her an 84-12 victory oberliner Aug 2018 #106
Mahalo, George! Cha Aug 2018 #108
Why does Tulsi Gabbard avoid debating her opponents? Gothmog Aug 2018 #66
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #82
Yeah, it sucks. Cha Aug 2018 #107
Maybe if they held it on Fox News... NCTraveler Aug 2018 #71
No doubt. Cha Aug 2018 #73
She just won the primary with 84% of the vote oberliner Aug 2018 #99
Lulzd Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #100
It sure did! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #101
Oh, look! Another one of John Gruff's signature threads. Two weeks on DU Squinch Aug 2018 #102
Squinch.. the report that John has in his OP is true. Cha Aug 2018 #103
I have no doubt that the report is true. But John Galt -er- Gruff seems to have Squinch Aug 2018 #104
But now that Gabbard won the primary overwhelmingly everyone can join together to support her oberliner Aug 2018 #105
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
1. She should debate her opponent. I don't care whether or not this is strategically unwise, ie
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:28 PM
Aug 2018

she only stands to lose ground and is already winning...

And yes, I'm comfortable saying this looks like hypocrisy and she should be hammered for it.

demmiblue

(39,464 posts)
25. I agree. n/t
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:37 PM
Aug 2018

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. A prominent Senator ducked a scheduled debate/forum about two weeks ago, too.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:56 PM
Aug 2018

Gothmog

(176,683 posts)
67. 2016 Tulsi Gabbard: Why won't Hillary have more debates with Bernie? 2018 Tulsi Gabbard:
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:32 PM
Aug 2018

msongs

(73,227 posts)
2. she is being primaried by a qualified true DEMOCRATIC progressive today
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:31 PM
Aug 2018

R B Garr

(17,965 posts)
8. Excellent. It looks like Tulsi's hypocrisy is being exposed bigly. Her concern
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:32 PM
Aug 2018

over more debates for Hillary is truly hypocritical considering her current dodges. Debates for thee, but not for me.

Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
78. That doesn't change Sherry's Qualifications or that
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:25 AM
Aug 2018

she was more than willing to debate gabbard.

Response to Cha (Reply #78)

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
83. Welcome? to DU. Again in your first hour you go to attempted scatalogical insult of DU members. nt
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:47 AM
Aug 2018

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #83)

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
90. A feminist & anti-homophobe disagree with you. Regardless, your First Post attempts insults
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:02 AM
Aug 2018

http://persephonemagazine.com/2013/01/can-we-please-stop-using-the-term-butthurt/

Can We Please Stop Using the Term “Butthurt”?

[...]

One word that is particularly common on the internets is “butthurt,” typically used sarcastically or to ridicule someone who is whining about something they don’t like. I mentioned my distaste for the word to a friend of mine earlier this week. “I had no idea that the word even meant that,” she said. Her first thought was that it was some rape joke, and she found it to be rather confusing in the context. She had to look it up in order to discern its common meaning. But her first thought was right. It can’t be separated from that meaning, and that’s my problem.

Just think about it. The term implies less of “pain in the ass, I sat on something unpleasant” and something far more sexist and homophobic. This is mostly because of the context the word is typically used in. Sandra is in a bad mood because Hugo took her parking spot? She’s just butthurt. Mike won’t stop complaining that his bro beat him playing video games? Butthurt. Essentially, the term is used when someone is upset that someone else has gotten the better or them or beaten them or bested them in some way. That is to say, they dominated them. You know, like when someone is raped. This just isn’t funny. Not only is the term sexist, because it hinges on domination and anal rape, which is primarily a male device, but it is also homophobic. I’m pretty sure that gay men don’t think the threat of anal rape is hilarious, and I’m also pretty sure they don’t enjoy an act they enjoy once again being used as a display of cruelty, disgust, and derision.

The English language is so wide and varied that surely we can think up a word that doesn’t have such awful connotations. No, it’s not the worst thing anyone can say. The thing is, danger lurks in seemingly harmless words like this. Words like this contribute to the ever-present rape culture that makes our society perilous for marginalized groups. So come on, I know you’re creative. Can’t we think of something better?


Cha

(317,701 posts)
87. Wouldn't you know.. gabbard has a rep like this
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:54 AM
Aug 2018

to Gloat for her on DU.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
3. Looks like Hawaii Dems need a change.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:46 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
14. We Hope! I'm getting ready to
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:13 PM
Aug 2018

go Vote for Sherry Campagna!

Response to Cha (Reply #14)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
84. Don't tell me how to vote. I bet gabbard is real proud
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:48 AM
Aug 2018

of all the gloating you're doing in her name.

Response to Cha (Reply #84)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
89. Just keep gloating.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:02 AM
Aug 2018

Response to oasis (Reply #3)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
85. Look what we have, oasis.. someone named
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:49 AM
Aug 2018

"Tulsi" going around gloating.

While Sherry is as gracious as ever..


oasis

(53,432 posts)
91. Sign wavers showing class with their mahalo.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:02 AM
Aug 2018

The trolling poster is no way a Kamaaina.

We did our part Cha. Mahalo to you for your honest effort

Cha

(317,701 posts)
92. Mahalo, oasis!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:04 AM
Aug 2018

oasis

(53,432 posts)
94. Boomerang
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:24 AM
Aug 2018


thanks for the treat

Cha

(317,701 posts)
95. Karma, baby!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:27 AM
Aug 2018

Telling us all just how "butthurt" we were.. when that one needed to check herself.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
96. True that.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:39 AM
Aug 2018

Take care Cha. And thanks again for having my back.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
97. No worries, oasis..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 05:44 AM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
98. Oh wow.. just saw this.. :(
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:04 AM
Aug 2018

oasis

(53,432 posts)
109. I woke up this a.m.to #98post on Sherry's statement.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 10:45 AM
Aug 2018

Tulsi should be about the business of mending fences and establishing herself back into the good graces of the D.C. Democrats she will be working with. A landslide victory in 2018 doesn't mean she's "golden" in 2020.

Thanks for the update Cha

Cha

(317,701 posts)
110. Instead, just the opposite happened..
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:54 PM
Aug 2018

this isn't the only tweet on it. But I better not post anymore.

Mahalo, oasis:patriot.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
4. I'm One of Her Constituents
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

And she’s always working for us. I’ve met her and have been on Conference calls with her and we’re her number one priority.
I didn’t agree with her meeting with Assad, but respect her decision to do so.
Where has she EVER defended Putin? That’s just a ridiculous, uninformed comment.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. She will likely win the primary in a landslide
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:08 PM
Aug 2018

Like she did last time.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
9. Yup, no need to debate when you've got name recognition.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:33 PM
Aug 2018
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Or when you hold regular events with your constituents
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018

And earned the respect of the voters over your tenure in office (as a Democrat).

oasis

(53,432 posts)
12. Tulsi also "earned the respect" of Donald Trump, who considered
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

her for his cabinet. What about her caused him to get that kind of an idea?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Clearly, you touched a nerve with that reply.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:16 PM
Aug 2018
What about her caused him to get that kind of an idea?
Clearly, you touched a nerve with that reply. I'll PM you.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. If you want to continue bashing this Democrat, be my guest
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:23 PM
Aug 2018

My only point was that she is liked by her constituents and will win re-election easily.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
19. Bash? Asking a legitimate question is bashing now?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:26 PM
Aug 2018

Alrighty then.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Seemed like you were trying to associate her with Trump
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:27 PM
Aug 2018

Apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying.

Can you elaborate on the point you were making when you asked the question about her and Trump?

oasis

(53,432 posts)
29. Try this. Look at Trump's cabinet as presently constituted.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:50 PM
Aug 2018

Which one of them could be elected to congress as a Democrat? I'm curious as to why he would consider any Democrat.

Please note that I used a at the end of that post.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. None
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:54 PM
Aug 2018

But Trump often supposedly "considers" things that don't end up happening (and may not have even been considered).

Remember when he was going to make a deal with "Chuck and Nancy" on immigration?

oasis

(53,432 posts)
36. "Proposing" a deal w/Chuck and Nancy is not an invitation
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:11 PM
Aug 2018

to join the "team". C'mon now.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. How do you feel about her friend Sheldon Adelson?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:49 PM
Aug 2018

What is it that makes questionable character and untrustworthiness so obvious to some and so irrelevant to others? Does it really only take chanting some capital-P progressive mantras? Would you really hire this woman to run your business, give Gabbard the passwords to your accounts?

Bernie Sanders sure wouldn't. She offered herself to him after attaining a national name by betraying her position on the DNC, but after taking a few pictures on the same stage he's kept her carefully outside his team. Endorse because she gets press but keep your mouth shut around her.

Btw, Trump's biggest donor is believed to influence Trump's foreign policy and has reportedly given $20M to elect house Republicans. If he's donating anything more than advice to Gabbard's reelection, he's doing it via dark money.

vsrazdem

(2,194 posts)
56. Obama had republicans in his cabinet.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:35 PM
Aug 2018

Since she did not serve in the Trump administraiton I don't see the point of this comment.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
58. Obama is not a narrow minded asshole. Trump very much is.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:16 PM
Aug 2018

That's to your point.

Try ask yourself why would Trump, who highly values loyalty, even consider a Democrat. Hell, he didn't give his pal Chris Christie a cabinet post.

vsrazdem

(2,194 posts)
69. Do you really believe he even considered her. It was all for show.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:33 PM
Aug 2018

oasis

(53,432 posts)
70. Why her? Remember Trump selects only the best.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:38 PM
Aug 2018

He gives Gabbard the honorable mention. Do you get it yet?

obamanut2012

(29,243 posts)
44. What Oasis stated is a fact
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:44 PM
Aug 2018

OnDoutside

(20,862 posts)
47. Donald Trump meets with prominent Sanders supporter Tulsi Gabbard
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:07 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/donald-trump-transition-meeting-tulsi-gabbard-rick-perry

Donald Trump’s unorthodox US presidential transition continued on Monday when he held talks with one of the most prominent supporters of leftwing Democrat Bernie Sanders.

The president-elect’s first meeting of the day at Trump Tower in New York was with Tulsi Gabbard, a Democratic maverick who endorsed the socialist Sanders during his unsuccessful primary battle with Hillary Clinton.

Over the past few days Trump has also held talks with Mitt Romney, who once branded him a “phony” but is now under consideration for possible secretary of state, Ted Cruz, whom he labelled “Lyin’ Ted” during the Republican primary campaign, and Democrat Michelle Rhee, the former schools chief of Washington, who is mooted as a possible education secretary.

SNIP

In October last year she tweeted: “Al-Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 and must be defeated. Obama won’t bomb them in Syria. Putin did. #neverforget911.” She was then among 47 Democrats who joined Republicans to pass a bill mandating a stronger screening process for refugees from Iraq and Syria coming to the US.

Media reports have suggested that Trump’s chief strategist Steve Bannon is an admirer of Gabbard. Last week, when 169 Democrats signed a letter condemning Bannon’s appointment by Trump for encouraging white nationalism, she was not among them.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
23. No worries, oasis.. pointing out Gabbard's association with
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:34 PM
Aug 2018

trump is FACTS.. the accusation of "bashing" is Ludicrous.

Democrat Tulsi Gabbard Defends 'Frank and Positive' Trump Meeting

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/why-democratic-rep-tulsi-gabbard-met-donald-trump-n686976

After meeting, Gabbard vows to work with Trump

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307071-after-trump-meeting-gabbard-says-we-cant-let-divisiveness-destroy-our

Cha

(317,701 posts)
21. No, Tulsi isn't "liked" by all her Constituents. The Hawaii's Teacher's
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:30 PM
Aug 2018

Union and all these endorsements.

https://www.sherryforhawaii.com/endorsements/

Your accusation of "bashing" because someone wants Gabbard to debate Sherry Campagna is ludicrous.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. The accusation of "bashing" was with respect to the post that seemed to try to connect her w/Trump
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:35 PM
Aug 2018

Being critical of her not wanting to debate is totally fair and reasonable.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
28. Your accusation of "bashing" because of trying to connect her to trump is ludicrous, too..
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:40 PM
Aug 2018

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
31. Not just ludicrous...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018
ludicrous, too..
Not just ludicrous. But also...


Cha

(317,701 posts)
39. Right.. Gabbard "connected" herself to trump and we're
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:25 PM
Aug 2018

suppose to cover it up.. according to that poster.

Speaks to poor judgment.. that and Assad.

Mahalo, Jackie

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. What is the point of connecting her to Trump other than to bash her?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:00 PM
Aug 2018

Lots of Democrats have said they would work with Trump on various things.

Generally bringing up someone's "connections" to Trump is meant to malign the person.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
38. Open your eyes.. Gabbard Connected herself to trump.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

OnDoutside

(20,862 posts)
48. Ding, Ding, Ding !
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:09 PM
Aug 2018

Facts are a terrible thing to try and walk away from.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
50. Shouldn't try to spin
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:22 PM
Aug 2018

FACTS.

OnDoutside

mcar

(45,812 posts)
54. Yes. Gabbard is not an innocent victim
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:30 PM
Aug 2018

But an active participant.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
59. I hate that she's
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:52 PM
Aug 2018

probably going to win.. just counting on signs and name recognition.. the signs are all over the place.

It's like the freaking Twilight Zone!

mcar

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
32. Nobody is doing that.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:57 PM
Aug 2018
If you want to continue bashing this Democrat, be my guest
Nobody is doing that.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
35. OK - replace "bashing" with "connecting to Trump"
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018

Usually when someone talks about someone's connections with Trump, they are doing so to bash the person, but maybe that's not what is happening in this case.

oasis

(53,432 posts)
40. Maybe these same questions would be raised in the
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:31 PM
Aug 2018

debate that never happened.

(lurkers please note: The use of the phrase, "debate that never happened" should not be misconstrued as a "bash&quot .

obamanut2012

(29,243 posts)
43. "Democrat"
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:43 PM
Aug 2018
 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
55. Gee, was it bashing "the Democrat" when she went after President Obama? I find your selective
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:33 PM
Aug 2018

outrage quite eye-opening

Perhaps you only have problems when what you call bashing only occurs with those candidates you either support or that won't stir things up

Did you have a problem when Gabbard criticized Hillary for NOT having more debates? I don't recall that, and that someone points out her hypocrisy for not debating, and her bashing of other Democrats, crickets

The sword cuts at both ends.

brer cat

(27,439 posts)
72. +1 nt
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:18 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
18. Gabbard hasn't earned my Respect or The Hawaii Teachers'
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:25 PM
Aug 2018

Union..

HI-02: Hawaii Teachers Union Backs Gabbard Opponent For Congress

snip// From your link.. the whole article should be read!


Harsh Criticism For Gabbard

“She was one of just three representatives, and the only Democrat who refused to condemn Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s genocidal chemical attack on his own people. After the attack, Gabbard traveled to Syria to meet with the genocidal dictator al-Assad without permission from the White House or Congress. Her trip was funded by a group with ties to al-Assad supporters and she only covered the expenses herself after the news media reported who paid for her trip.

Then, after al-Assad bombed his people again, Gabbard continued to refuse to admit the attack had occurred. At the same time, she voted to practically ban Syrian refugees from coming into the United States after the Paris terrorist attacks, even though Syrian refugees were not involved in the attacks.”

That's not how we do things.. especially in Hawaii.

When we were discussing this on DU we had people defending her.. all kinds of pretzel logic going on.

But, Thank Goodness the Hawaii Teachers Union is NOT impressed.


Sherry Campagna appears with HSTA members at a May 22 press conference announcing the union’s endorsement of her challenge to U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in Hawaii’s 2nd District Congressional race.

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/05/hawaii-teachers-union-backs-gabbard-opponent-for-congress/

More Endorsements for Sherry!

https://www.sherryforhawaii.com/endorsements/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. "When you only look at her education vote, she's fine," he said.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:34 PM
Aug 2018
In comments to the Honolulu Civil Beat, HSTA President Corey Rosenlee admitted when it came to the association’s core issue, its members didn’t really have a problem with Gabbard.

“When you only look at her education vote, she’s fine,” he said.

Rosenlee said the real sticking point was with Gabbard’s views on foreign policy.

That is kind of interesting.

In any case, Sherry Campagna seems great also.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
26. Yeah, Gabbard is Not "great".. she doesn't even have
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:37 PM
Aug 2018

the nerve to debate Sherry Campagna.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Well soon they will be allies working together to defeat Brian Evans
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:40 PM
Aug 2018

May whoever wins the primary go on to defeat the Republican decisively!

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. Sanders did the same thing back in July
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 07:58 PM
Aug 2018

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
74. I mean, it works.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 12:03 AM
Aug 2018

Crowley debated AOC and look where it got him.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
16. I don't like her.. she's too chicken to debate Sherry Campagna
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:19 PM
Aug 2018

who the Hawaii Teacher's Union Endorsed..

HI-02: Hawaii Teachers Union Backs Gabbard Opponent For Congress

snip// From your link.. the whole article should be read!


Harsh Criticism For Gabbard

“She was one of just three representatives, and the only Democrat who refused to condemn Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s genocidal chemical attack on his own people. After the attack, Gabbard traveled to Syria to meet with the genocidal dictator al-Assad without permission from the White House or Congress. Her trip was funded by a group with ties to al-Assad supporters and she only covered the expenses herself after the news media reported who paid for her trip.

Then, after al-Assad bombed his people again, Gabbard continued to refuse to admit the attack had occurred. At the same time, she voted to practically ban Syrian refugees from coming into the United States after the Paris terrorist attacks, even though Syrian refugees were not involved in the attacks.”

That's not how we do things.. especially in Hawaii.

When we were discussing this on DU we had people defending her.. all kinds of pretzel logic going on.

But, Thank Goodness the Hawaii Teachers Union is NOT impressed.


Sherry Campagna appears with HSTA members at a May 22 press conference announcing the union’s endorsement of her challenge to U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in Hawaii’s 2nd District Congressional race.

http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/05/hawaii-teachers-union-backs-gabbard-opponent-for-congress/

oasis

(53,432 posts)
33. Campagna seems to have solid Dem credentials. I wish her well.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:58 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
37. Sherry has these awesome endorsements, too, oasis!
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:21 PM
Aug 2018

oasis

(53,432 posts)
42. I can get on board with Campagna as a "new face" in Congress. nt
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:43 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
46. It would be brilliant if all the Gabbard "Signs" in the
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:50 PM
Aug 2018

world didn't compare to the gravitas of truth from Sherry Campagna!

Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
77. Doesn't matter.. It doesn't change what gabbard is.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 04:23 AM
Aug 2018

I want something better from my Rep.

obamanut2012

(29,243 posts)
41. She is a TRojan Horse wingnut
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 04:43 PM
Aug 2018

And, she has said horribly bigoted stuff, and has praised Putin while slamming Obama.

It is pretty bad you think she is A-OK.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
63. Gabbard was always going on foxsux and whining about President
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:08 PM
Aug 2018

Obama. fox loved gabbard.

Now what does she think of putin? Still think he's hot shit and Obama bad?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
5. Crowley Wouldn't Debate
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:58 PM
Aug 2018

and look what happened to him

Edited to add:

“At a congressional primary debate between Rep. Joseph Crowley and his Democratic challenger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, there was a notable absence: Crowley.

The debate, hosted by The Parkchester Times in the Bronx and moderated by reporter Robert Press, instead featured a surrogate on the part of Crowley. Debating Ocasio-Cortez in his place was former New York City Councilwoman Annabel Palma.”

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/news-politics/joe-crowley-sends-annabel-palma-to-debate-in-his-place

“This is the second primary debate in which Mr. Crowley was a no-show. A spokeswoman for Mr. Crowley said he had scheduling conflicts that wouldn’t allow him to attend the two debates, inevitably leaving voters to wonder — what are we, chopped liver?

Indeed, the snubs should be galling not only to Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and Mr. Crowley’s constituents in New York’s 14th Congressional District, in Queens and the Bronx, but also to anyone who cares about the democratic process.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/joseph-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Joe Crowley Debate June 15th, 2018
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 01:06 PM
Aug 2018
 

SkyDancer

(561 posts)
11. I think every incumbant should debate
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

their challengers. People deserve to have a real choice along with a free & fair election.

I fully support debates. This is democracy and debates are democratic.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,181 posts)
13. Hypocrisy looks bad on her. n/t
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:03 PM
Aug 2018

OnDoutside

(20,862 posts)
49. After what Putin did to America, and specifically the Democratic Party, it is beyond belief that a
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 05:13 PM
Aug 2018

Dem representative could be defending Putin. How crazy is that ????

riversedge

(80,026 posts)
51. She needs to debate her opponent.....
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:21 PM
Aug 2018



.......Although their prospects are grim, Gabbard’s critics say her views on foreign policy and tolerance for dictators such as Bashar al-Assad deserve another look.

As one of the few Democrats to meet with Donald Trump following his election, Gabbard’s unorthodox positioning has drawn scrutiny at a time when progressives have rallied their midterm messaging around opposition to the president. Her highly controversial visit last year to Syria, where she met with Assad, also raised eyebrows both nationally and at home.

“The wake up call, for most of us, came when Gabbard met with Trump soon after his inauguration and then with Assad, instead of marching on DC with us and the rest of the Hawaii’s congressional delegation during the Women’s March in protest of what has become an unprecedented abolition of human and civil rights in America,” said Sherry Alu Campagna, an environmental scientist who is among Gabbard’s most well-known primary challengers.

The wake up call, for most of us, came when Gabbard met with Trump soon after his inauguration

“The incumbent clearly has an agenda that does not involve her constituents and we are waking up to the fact that our needs are taking a back seat to her ambitions.”........................
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
53. The primary is today
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:26 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
68. Thanks, rivers!
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 09:18 PM
Aug 2018

mcar

(45,812 posts)
52. She is a hypocrite
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:25 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
64. Oh yeah.. she's a flaming hypocrite, too.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:08 PM
Aug 2018
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
57. Not the bravest move but hoping for Gabbard victories anyway N/T
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 06:44 PM
Aug 2018

Cha

(317,701 posts)
62. I'm hoping for Sherry Campagna and so is the Hawaii Teacher's
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:03 PM
Aug 2018

Union and all of these Endorsements.

Gabbard is too chicken to debate Sherry..

HI-02: Hawaii Teachers Union Backs Gabbard Opponent For Congress

Harsh Criticism For Gabbard

“She was one of just three representatives, and the only Democrat who refused to condemn Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s genocidal chemical attack on his own people. After the attack, Gabbard traveled to Syria to meet with the genocidal dictator al-Assad without permission from the White House or Congress. Her trip was funded by a group with ties to al-Assad supporters and she only covered the expenses herself after the news media reported who paid for her trip.

Then, after al-Assad bombed his people again, Gabbard continued to refuse to admit the attack had



Sherry Campagna appears with HSTA members at a May 22 press conference announcing the union’s endorsement of her challenge to U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard in Hawaii’s 2nd District Congressional race.

snip//

Campagna, a commissioner on the Hawaii State Commission on the Status of Women and the Hawaii state chair for the 2017 Women’s March, said at the news conference she “never wanted to be a politician.”

“And I clearly am not a politician,” she said. “I have always had a place in my heart for advocacy and activism, and I enjoy the freedom that came with that.”

More..
http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/05/hawaii-teachers-union-backs-gabbard-opponent-for-congress/

More Endorsements for Sherry..

https://www.sherryforhawaii.com/endorsements/

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Here's an excerpt of Vox' analysis of the Gabbard/Campagna/et. al. primary:
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:10 PM
Aug 2018
In the Hawaii Second District’s Democratic primary, Tulsi Gabbard is a heavy favorite to be renominated. An Iraq War veteran, dedicated non-interventionist, and early endorser of Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid, Gabbard has attracted substantial national popularity but also criticism for her choice to meet with Syrian despot Bashar al-Assad in 2017; she has also refused to acknowledge that Assad is responsible for chemical weapons attacks against civilians. She has also endorsed blocking refugees from Syria and Iraq, supported Egyptian dictator Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, and backed India’s far-right leader Narendra Modi.


Gabbard’s enthusiasm for dictators was enough to help lead the Hawaii teachers union to endorse Sherry Campagna, Gabbard’s most prominent challenger. But Gabbard has refused to debate her opponents, preventing them from getting much traction, and is likely to win in a walk.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/11/17649744/hawaii-primary-elections-2018-live-results-david-ige-tulsi-gabbard
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
106. The Democratic primary voters have just given her an 84-12 victory
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:06 AM
Aug 2018

The Democrats in her district, who know her best, chose her overwhelmingly.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
108. Mahalo, George!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:09 AM
Aug 2018

Gothmog

(176,683 posts)
66. Why does Tulsi Gabbard avoid debating her opponents?
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 08:31 PM
Aug 2018

Response to Gothmog (Reply #66)

Cha

(317,701 posts)
107. Yeah, it sucks.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:08 AM
Aug 2018
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
71. Maybe if they held it on Fox News...
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:06 PM
Aug 2018

And made the topic the Obama administration. That might get her engines revved up.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
73. No doubt.
Sat Aug 11, 2018, 10:54 PM
Aug 2018

Just got back from voting for Sherry Campagna!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
99. She just won the primary with 84% of the vote
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:14 AM
Aug 2018

Similar numbers to her victory in 2016.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
100. Lulzd
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:18 AM
Aug 2018

She crushed it in the primary.

Her district has spoken.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,516 posts)
101. It sure did!
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:32 AM
Aug 2018

Squinch

(58,875 posts)
102. Oh, look! Another one of John Gruff's signature threads. Two weeks on DU
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:43 AM
Aug 2018

and he's had quite a number of threads that rile the folks up and get them fighting.

I'm no fan of Tulsi, but John, your slip is showing.

Cha

(317,701 posts)
103. Squinch.. the report that John has in his OP is true.
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 06:56 AM
Aug 2018

Gabbard is my rep and I voted against for a lot of reasons.

I don't think her record should be swept under the rug. This was posted before the primary election.

Squinch

(58,875 posts)
104. I have no doubt that the report is true. But John Galt -er- Gruff seems to have
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:03 AM
Aug 2018

mastered the art, in a very short tenure here, of repeated posts that cause a lot of arguments on long standing lines of division here.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
105. But now that Gabbard won the primary overwhelmingly everyone can join together to support her
Sun Aug 12, 2018, 07:04 AM
Aug 2018

As she faces off against her Republican challenger in November.

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