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[Equinox Moon]

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[dalton99a]

1. They want the freedom to shove their shit down other people's throats.

[Wounded Bear]

10. This...

Just another "freedom" to discriminate and oppress others for their religious beliefs.

Typical 'Christian' victimization. They're still living in Ancient Rome.

[TrishaJ]

29. Yes, the "christian persecution" complex...

"if I as a Christian can't persecute YOU, then you are persecuting ME for my beliefs"

[ck4829]

2. Now is a good time to join the Church of Body Modification

"My piercings and elf ears are protected under the first amendment, if I can perform the job, then you should hire me."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Body_Modification

[Harker]

3. A lot of christians feel oppressed

by other religions and by secularism. They're looking to stomp on others.

[Equinox Moon]

5. I think you have a piece of it.

I realize he is out to defend "Christians". How are they oppressed? By the existence of other religions and still others that just go about life without a religion. How does that oppress them?

[ck4829]

8. Existence of the 'other' is indeed oppression to the right wing authoritarian

Some conservative Christians feel oppressed by the existence of the 'other' religious adherent in the same way white people call 911 simply because they see a black person.

[salin]

11. Whenever they are told that they can't oppress others - it is perceived as persecution.

Seriously. In the politicized evangelical world - they are oppressed and persecuted because they can not discriminate against others based on their "religious beliefs".

[Equinox Moon]

14. Wow!

[salin]

17. Think about how Kim Davis is treated as some kind of hero/martyr because

she defied the Supreme Court ruling on marriage licenses. That status comes from this line of warped/entitled thinking where their brand of Christianity should be allowed to dictate - and when they can't - they are being persecuted.

Or listen to Mike Pence as Gov of Indiana try to justify a law to legalize religious discrimination to George Stephanopoulis. Listen to his attempts to soften/but justify - it is there. Oh - and natch Pence was wrong, and was lying throughout that interview.
https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/gov-mike-pence-religious-freedom-law-29987447

Or listen to just about any am radio holy roller station.

[Equinox Moon]

18. I think that's it...

They 'demand' that they dictate morality. The concept of their way is the only way.
Yet what is this task force going to do?

[salin]

24. Identify possible lawsuits to challenge laws and set new precedents?

Just guessing.

[2naSalit]

26. +1

[Harker]

13. Perhaps

saying that a lot of christians feel threatened, frightened, or offended by other religions and by secularism would have been a better choice of words on my part.

[Mariana]

27. No, you had it right the first time.

A lot of Christians truly feel oppressed, discriminated against, persecuted, however you want to say it. Seriously. Those Christians don't feel threatened, frightened, or offended. It's way past that. They feel they are actually being attacked.

[Harker]

28. I try to exercise charity. n/t

[marybourg]

15. A lot of christians feel oppressed

by the *existance* of other religions.

[Cracklin Charlie]

4. Read the documents, Beauregard...

Separation of church and state.

You know what it means.

[Equinox Moon]

7. I don't know what documents you speak of.

But I am assuming you mean that he is on a quest to merge Christianity with government? His form of Christianity.

[Freethinker65]

6. Freedom for Christians to discriminate against anyone they choose

[cyclonefence]

9. Yeah, in a country where

the government recognizes specifically christian holidays like Christmas and Easter by closing government offices, including post offices, and governmentally-regulated businesses, like banks and stock exchanges; where schools close to allow them to celebrate their holidays, those christians have a lot to complain about government interference with their right to practice their religion.

To quote Madalyn Murray O'Hare: "What more do you christians want?"

[gtar100]

12. Damn good question.

Christian churches are given a lot of special rights already in this country, not the least of which is tax exempt status. So what are they missing that they keep griping about? One thing they are not free from is ridicule. Maybe they want to bring back blasphemy laws. Because nothing says confidence in one's God more than seeking laws to suppress criticism. Their God apparently is not only a jealous God but also quite delicate in His sensibilities.

[Equinox Moon]

16. I found one article that says hate groups are behind it:

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the creation of a “Religious Liberty Task Force” at the Justice Department saying Donald Trump’s election has given the right a “rare opportunity” to stop a “dangerous movement, undetected by many” that is eroding religious freedom.

In reality, the task force is simply an extension of the Trump administration’s war on LGBTQ rights and women’s right to choose.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/08/hate-group-leader-first-member-trumps-religious-liberty-task-force/

[Harker]

20. I seriously doubt that it's entirely about gay wedding cakes.

For them, that's a convenient little wedge to drive into the mighty tree of healthy diversity.

It's the same people who want "In God We Trust" in every school room and courthouse. It's the same people who view others as "sinners" whom they cannot abide.

They want to dominate.

[Equinox Moon]

22. Agreed. It was just one article I found in my search

[Harker]

25. Understood. Thanks! n/t

[Javaman]

19. it's a bullshit job for bullshit people to collect government handouts.

Cronyism at it's finest.

[hedda_foil]

21. It's about the establishment of a religion... A state religion.

First Amendment to the Constitution says CONGRESS shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. There's nothing about the executive branch just doing it without Congress. The courts may think otherwise if they try it. And if the Russpublicans hack the vote so they stay in power, Congress might just try it.

[Initech]

23. It has nothing to do with religion or freedom.

And everything to do with harassment, intimidation and discrimination. You know - what the GOP is most famous for!