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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn Oregon history professor tweeted about Trump conservatism and his Twitter feed blew up.
The Oregonian did a very interesting and thoughtful interview with the professor Seth Cotlar about the incident. I'll post the link to the twitter feed below, but many of the messages are inserted into the interview, as well.
[link:https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/08/536bdf03c34178/oregon-history-professor-spark.html?utm_campaign=theoregonian_sf&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social|
Here was his original tweet:
1. I would love to read a sympathetic (yet critical) essay that assessed a central claim made by Never Trumpers like @davidfrum--that conservatism today is an embarrassing bastardization of what conservatism once was.
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Link to tweet
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SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)The only real difference I see between 1990s conservatism and Trumpism is the latter's illiteracy and unapologetically boorish behavior.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)They just had spent a lot of time and energy crafting group tested talking points in the 90s, simple general statements that were bullshit, but required a 2,000 essay to refute.
But, post 9-11 they got lazy, used terrosrism as a sledgehammer for everrything for the next 6 years, then completely regressed into a petulent state of simply getting up in the morning, seeing something on cable news and screaming about Obama, then Hillary.
Completely forgot about any aspect of civil service/governance, spent half their time and power relentlessly making political hay over benghazi and emails, the other half hobnobbing with their rich masters/figuring out how to graft tax payer dollars.
I had heartburn in the 90s, saw where it was headed, and have felt so helpless since then seeing this country indulge their bullshit time after time after time after time ...
blogslut
(38,000 posts)The Twitter thread is good. The article is even better.
Thanks
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,491 posts)Will definitely be watching Prof. Cotlar's Twitter page.
See: https://twitter.com/SethCotlar
And, his Medium page: https://medium.com/@sethcotlar (see good articles there)
(sample snip)
Judahs article points out that Progressives have built a strong bench of local candidates who have fired up voters around a range of sophisticated and appealing policy ideas. Meanwhile, the best and the brightest of the conservative braintrust have little to offer beyond name calling (libtard!) or hysterical yelps of but thats SOCIALISM!?!? When Ben Shapiro is your movements intellectual heavyweight rather than its glib eye candy, youre in trouble.
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scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I've read the whole article at the link, but haven't read the Twitter thread (I probably won't).
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Takket
(21,568 posts)dalton99a
(81,488 posts)and deliver it for the GOP."
Excellent analysis
genxlib
(5,526 posts)Thanks for posting.
I would blame you for eating up my Sunday morning but that's on me.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Thank you so much for sharing.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)That's why it will alwys be a losing proposition.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)From the interview:
Kevin Kruse's book "White Flight" does the best job of developing this argument, in my opinion. In the 1960s, as black people started moving into previously white neighborhoods, white people decided they were no longer interested in paying taxes to support public pools, public schools, public transportation, etc. They said it's because they preferred to keep more of their private property and spend it how they liked rather than having the government tell them what they should do with their money. "We like our private pools. We like our private religious schools (for which we get tax exemptions, right?). We like the federal government spending lots of money so we can build our all white suburbs and then drive our private cars into the cities with less money for schools and public transport now that we've taken our tax money out of those cities." Strangely, these same people hadn't had such a problem with public pools, public transportation and public schools until the government started saying they had to share these public accommodations as equals with black people, and then all of a sudden white people discovered the joys of lower taxes and privatization. Business people had their own, self-interested and economically rational reasons for wanting lower taxes and a smaller state, so they were more than happy to go along with this. The culture war stuff just added more weight to the argument that "those people" (civil rights activists, feminists, gay rights activists, etc.) were trying to use government power and tax money to help people who were undeserving of that help
As usual, it is about race and/or greed.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)Grasswire2
(13,570 posts)I found it gratifying to absorb the review and analysis he puts forward. Look what happened, America.
And very rewarding to see the life of his mind on display in such depth in a CONSERVATIVE newspaper. The Oregonian is conservative centrist.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)There "beliefs" are no different than Trump, they just don't like his lack of decorum. We had one run in the Senate primary as a
democrat. He go about 13%.Screw them all. I think of them as people trying to save a dying belief and rats deserting a sinking ship. They built a career on beliefs trumping science, greed is good, selfishness is a virtue and white makes right. If I had possession over judgement day they woldn't have the right to pray.