You know what's really sad? Hillary would have been an excellent POTUS.

[Vinca]

She's intelligent, would investigate matters, consider options, consult with people who truly are the best people and would honorably have represented the United States around the world. Rumor has it she even reads books and reports! She would have shown compassion where it is now sorely lacking and would never stand in front of the American people and utter an intentional lie. It's even sadder that there is no remedy that might install her in the Oval Office once the traitor is ousted. What a horrible situation we're now in.

[tblue37]

1. She would have been badgered, blocked, and investigated endlessly, and

the GOP Congress would have tried to impeach her.

[BigmanPigman]

2. Yep, they would re-do what they did to Obama for 8 years

but worse. Obama bent over backwards to appease them and look where that got him. The GOP racists are bastards. With Hillary they would not just be hateful due to misogyny but add vengeful on top of it.

[drmeow]

5. And she would have still been an excellent POTUS

despite all that!

[PatSeg]

10. Yes

and we'd still be stuck with the same clowns in congress. Perhaps what we are experiencing is necessary in order to finally purge our government of the cronies, grifters, corporate puppets, and corrupt/immoral public servants. I like to imagine how much a man like President Obama could have accomplished without fighting today's republican party 24/7.

It is clear that the republican party isn't going to clean itself and equally clear that the majority of them have no integrity whatsoever. Trump has exposed them for who they really are and as we all know, sometimes the cure hurts as bad as the disease. Fortunately, Trump is of the character to bring as many down with him as possible. May they all get as much as the deserve 100 fold. And may our next "Hillary" or "Obama" get the government they and we deserve.

I would have LOVED to watch Hillary put some of these assholes in their place though. No one could do it better, that's for sure.

[Hortensis]

16. Why would we? Until Russia etc, she was far ahead, and

her coattails were sweeping in a for-sure Democratic senate majority AND, previously unthinkable, even a house majority had come within reach. For sure, Repubs wouldn't have had enough power to do anything without negotiating with Democrats.

It's when Hillary was taken out that we also lost majorities in congress, and several states.

[PatSeg]

20. When Obama had majorities,

republican leaders found all kinds of creative ways to undermine him, even opposing legislation they believed in. It worked so well for them before, that they would have done it again and again every chance they got. So many of them absolutely have to go for good. They clearly are bad for America and democracy.

Of course, Russia takes the lion's share of the blame, but republicans and right wing media had laid the groundwork for years now. Putin was planting seeds in very fertile ground, while also bribing and compromising republican lawmakers. I'm sure we will be discovering much more as the years pass.

There are so many major changes that must be made and it will require Democratic majorities for quite a long time. First and foremost voting rights, election integrity, campaign finance reform, etc. - big sweeping progressive changes.

Good to see you!

[Rhiannon12866]

42. I remember that.

The obstructive Republicans made it a point to vote even against legislation they came up with and sponsored if they knew that President Obama was in favor of it. And we thought that was ridiculous and obstructive at the time - little did we know how much worse they were capable of becoming. But of course this country - and the world - would be much better off with an experienced POTUS who cared about this country rather than a greedy and clueless grifter willing to sell us out.

[PatSeg]

47. I think they became so obsessed with winning

or at least defeating their opponent, they no longer could see the forest for the trees. It became like an addiction and it was all politics all the time.

There is a rather delicious bit of irony to all this though. They win everything and end up with a man in the White House who does to them, what he did to President Obama. They should have seen it coming, as what they got was what they created.

[Rhiannon12866]

64. And they took a page from Trump's book - that nothing is off limits

It doesn't matter if it's illegal or an outright lie, they can't tell the difference anymore. We keep hearing Trump being compared to Nixon - but it took the Republicans to take Nixon down. Instead, they're enabling and covering for Trump.

[PatSeg]

65. Yes, nothing is off limits

This is what happens when the primary objective is only winning. It is like a drug. I am sure when some of these people started out in politics, they made compromises here and there in order to win, but there were lines that they would not consider crossing. Most of them probably even believed a lot of what they said about democracy and freedom.

If a younger version of some of them could have looked into the future, they would no doubt be horrified by the lines they end up crossing. There is a major lesson here, one the world learned in Europe during World War II, when winning trumps everything, there are no lines. Donald Trump has become the mirror of their dark souls.

[iluvtennis]

14. Agree +++++++

[elmac]

19. She would have given the fascists hell

she wouldn't try to be nice to the bastards, she would have fought them at every turn, and won. We will never get these 4 years back and it will take decades to clean this mess up, if we ever can.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Agree! It would have been a constant battle... she would have risen to the challenges

[Downtown Hound]

3. No different than any other Democrat would have been, in other words.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Exactly!!

[lunamagica]

17. And she would have been an excellent prersident, regardless. It is a tragedy it didn't happen

[triron]

24. The Senate was stolen too. I don't think so.

[still_one]

31. Except for one big difference. If those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the

Democratic nominee by either voting third party or not voting, the odds are we would have controlled the Senate and the House, and would NOT have lost two SC nominees.

Every Democrat running in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, and those Democrats were progressive by any standard.

The myth by those self-identified progressives who voted third party or refused to vote that there is no difference between the two parties is lie, that was demonstrated in 2000 and 2016

[LanternWaste]

52. I think that would apply to any sitting Democratic president.

[Downtown Hound]

4. She would have been an amazing president

It's a tragic loss for our country.

I was a Bernie supporter throughout the primaries, and literally the day before I went to vote in the California primary, I switched my vote to Hillary. Voted for her in both the primary and the general. Because I realized that we were unlikely to get somebody with her experience, toughness, and ability to get things done anytime soon.

I'm hoping she runs again in 2020. By that time I think Trump will be so unpopular that she'd have an excellent chance of winning. And how satisfying would that be to shove that up all of the Trumpanzee's asses? Trump getting locked up and Hillary as president, with a Dem congress too, something she would not have had if she had won in 2016.

There mere thought of how satisfying that would be is enough to make me support her all the way in the hopes of it happening. The fact that she would be an amazing leader with a Dem congress backing her up is just one hell of a cherry on top.

[badhair77]

6. They would have badgered her but she would have kept her focus

and gotten to work in building coalitions where she could. She did that in the Senate and I think she could have done it from the White House. Sad to think what might have been.

[Older Than I Look]

7. Al Gore would have been also.

2016 wasn't our first stolen election.

[peacebuzzard]

21. Indeed, a great loss for the world.

He would have made a great president, and would have had his share of republicon vilifications. Gore would have brilliantly fought them off.

[tblue37]

23. I believe 2004 was stolen, too. Obama's landslides was probably bigger than we know, too--

ultimately too big for them to overcome.

[Different Drummer]

8. Me, when I think about what we could have had with Hillary vs. what we have with (t)rump.

[gtar100]

9. Funny how we are all resigned to having no recourse to electoral justice.

Republicans have everything to gain by saying even if it's undeniably determined that tRump lost, Hillary Clinton can't be given the presidency but instead it's supposed to go to Pence even though he is part of the side that *lost*. Too late to turn this boat around they say. Well, if she rightfully won the election then honestly she should be given the office. Anything less is just playing into exactly what repugs want. I've heard the argument almost from day one.

It can be done if it's what we want. Hell, we're the ones who elected her and have had it stolen right out from under us with all the shit republicans pulled. If it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hillary won, do we assert our right to the presidency or go taciturn. Our two party system really does us no favors by pitting ourselves against each other like this.

[yallerdawg]

12. This is the US Constitution doing this.

500 votes in Florida disenfranchises millions and millions from one end of the country to the other?

People voting like it doesn't matter in a couple states reverses a 3,000,000 vote lead?

We need to change the US Constitution. Popular vote - good enough for governors and US senators - should be good enough for ALL of us!

Of course - you ask Republicans, they're pretty happy with the results. It's very hard to change the US Constitution these days.

[proglib217]

43. Electoral College Repeal

An amendment to the Constitution repealing the Electoral College and providing for the election of the president by popular vote is long overdue.

[triron]

25. You have a point.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. You said it!!

[zipplewrath]

56. How?

Really, exactly how does this work? First of all what constitutes proving that "Hillary Won"? Is there some state where you think they counted the votes wrong? You realize unless you intend on flipping Texas or Florida, you're gonna need several states. Do you think there are ballots to be found that will change the outcome?

Then you have to explain how a GOP run congress chooses to somehow change the results of the EC 2+ years after the fact. And then when you're done, you have to explain why we have a constitution at all.

[edhopper]

11. Just think

progressive, worthy Supreme Court picks. No massive tax cut to bankrupt us. No undermining Obamacare. Agencies that work for the purpose they were created, not against it. Working with allies and keeping enemies in check. Probably real and humane immigration reform. and on and on
And all of it without the GOP Congress doing a thing.

[Roadside Attraction]

13. Ditto for Al Gore

Al Gore would have been a great president also. He would have been POTUS if it had not been for the Nader crowd.

[honest.abe]

15. indeed. She would have hit the ground running... no sprinting.

She was probably the most qualified and prepared person in the history of the United States to be President.

It's a damn shame. The fools who didnt realize it.

[lunamagica]

18. Sad? It is an American tragedy. Our loss...our huge, tremendous loss

[icaria]

22. Republicans specialize in demonizing women.

They are doing it with Nancy Pelosi, too. They whip up hysterical hatred around these female politicians. It works well with their base and unfortunately oozes into the mainstream. They are trying to do the same thing to Alexandria Octasio Cortez and Kamala Harris, etc.

But Hillary is history. Let's put our best foot forward. More women, more people of color, more youth and a more progressive agenda (strong democratic socialism and social democracy) to offer more people something to vote for.

Republicans will run a massive red scare campaign, but actually socialism/social democracy is much more powerful. So they should be scared, because ultimately the conservative movement (now in it's looney and dangerous terminal stage) is doomed.

[triron]

26. "Hillary is history" because we allow it.

[lunamagica]

29. Correct. And it will keep happening as long as we keep allowing it to happen

[lunamagica]

30. "Hillary is history" That attitude is why we keep losing.

[still_one]

32. no. We lost because some arragant self-identifed progressives decided NOT to vote for the

Democratic nominee in 2016 by either voting third party or not voting, and to this day they have no regrets doing so.

Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states in 2016 lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, and those Democrats were progressive.

The lie and undermining by those that did that with the belief that there is no difference between the two parties perhaps is realized what bullshit that is

The Jill Stein's, Susan Sarandon's, and others of that mindset will hopefully be regulated to the trash bin of irrelevancy, where they belong

[George II]

63. Bazinga!

[Cha]

39. Exactamente, lunamagica!

Not cool.. trying to throw a Democratic Winner into the dustbin of History.

Can't imagine where that kind of attitude would possibly come from?

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

35. Well

But Hillary is history. Let's put our best foot forward.

No. Sorry. Hillary is not history. She made history. EOM.

[Cha]

37. Good Point, she!

[sheshe2]

54. Thanks, Cha!

[Cha]

36. You don't get on a Positive Hillary thread and say "Hillary is history"..

Hillary is right NOW.. she's doing all she can to GOTV! Hillary WON.. the Russians and 3rd party Fucking LIES enabled them.

The Democratic Party is doing Well Right NOW, too. I'm not interested in boosting only one path to Winning.

Different Districts all over the Country.. all kinds of issues and voters. Just ask Sharice Davids, Gretchen Whitmer, and Lacy Clay. Their voters wanted them.. and Not who AOC endorsed.

Link to tweet

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[betsuni]

41. "Hillary is history." No. Jimmy Carter and his Habitat for Humanity, Bill Clinton and

the Clinton Foundation, all the work for the people that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will do. These Democrats feel compelled to help people lead better lives and are successful at it and will continue to do all they can until they're dead. Then they will be history.

[Cha]

46. +Millions!

[heaven05]

48. Eugene Deb's ideology

does not help the Democratic Party. Maybe the minor faction of democratic-socialist 'progressives', not the Democratic Party. Sorry to have to be the one to relate that to you...

[George II]

60. You're right, Hillary Clinton IS history - the first woman from a major party to run for President..

....the third highest vote getter in history (only behind Obama's two elections), the first First Lady to become Secretary of State, and there are so many more.

She is still the most admired woman in the world, has been 22 times, the last 16 years in a row, and 20 of the last 21 years.

Yes, Hillary Clinton is history.

[Awsi Dooger]

33. Fantastic strong stereotype-shattering president

I'll always regret that we didn't nominate her in 2008, in a more situationally friendly environment.

Regardless, right now she would be under attack but thriving and putting get slogans into the nation's consciousness...a bit different than alternative facts or truth isn't the truth.

Such a tragedy. No word or phrase is strong enough to describe what we lost, and what the planet lost. I wouldn't be surprised if future centuries look back at that verdict as the point of no return in terms of climate change realities.

[argyl]

38. She would have run a boring administration.

Competence, integrity, and ethical are pretty dull compared to the horror show we have going now.

[Cha]

40. I dunno know.. I think Patriots

are pretty sexy!

[argyl]

44. Yeah. I was just goofing. Seeing real issues addressed would be pretty exhilarating.

As opposed to this BS of, "Don't pay attention to the Mueller investigation. Fake news, fake news. Look and be outraged at these unpatriotic SOBs taking a knee for the national anthem."

[Cha]

45. I know..

[lunamagica]

53. Exactly. Boredom is so underrated. I'd love to be bored now

underrated

[Proud Liberal Dem]

49. IKR?

So would Gore. So would Kerry. I am baffled at why so many voters in this country too often vote so stupidly and so totally against their own best interests- and too often for stupid, superficial reasons. I know that voters aren't always the problem and that Republicans cheat using a variety of tactics and Greens help spoil on some occasions, but the cheating and spoiling is at its most effective when the races are so close.

[workinclasszero]

50. She would have been a great POTUS

But the 1%ers didn't own her so we got a criminal con man that sold the country out to Russia instead.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. She would have been top 5, maybe top 3 of all time

[Gothmog]

55. Hillary Clinton would have been a great POTUS

[NCTraveler]

57. It would have been an absolute nightmare. Some thing we would and wouldn't have with Clinton.

1) We wouldn't have the Tax Scam and its enormous transfer of wealth to the top.
2) We wouldn't have the gutting of all departments across the federal government.
3) We would be in one of the most brutal SC nominee fights the country has ever seen.
4) We wouldn't be looking at a blue wave.
5) We wouldn't be abdicating our responsibilities on the world stage and making a daily ass of ourselves.
6) The Federal Government wouldn't be promoting the agenda of White Nationalists.
7) Clinton would have been a stop in place for the gutting of social programs.
8) We would be currently fighting impeachment.

There is a silver lining to Trump. We are looking at a blue wave and the opportunity, if we play our cards properly, to hold power for some time. The house and senate are a must. If we follow that with the Presidency we can accomplish a lot.

I love Clinton and wish she was our President. She should be. I also understand the nightmare a Clinton Presidency would have been. Including on this very discussion board. As someone who has great respect, admiration, and even love for HRC; I don't even consider her when thinking about the Presidency. I'm beyond happy there is no constitutional mechanism that would install her if trump is impeached for collusion or treason.

When we gain control, Democrats must pass the most aggressive voting rights act in history. Push the bounds of federal power with respect to voting. Push the bounds of the constitution. We must also hold aggressive investigations into many elections and voting in the country overall. With the demographic changes in the country we must change the way voting happens.

We are in a bad situation. I'm highly confident we are in a better electoral position now than if she was elected.

[Pacifist Patriot]

58. There is a legal remedy, but extremely unlikely politically.

If the Democrats were to gain control of both the US House and Senate, and elect Hillary Clinton Speaker of the House, they could theoretically impeach and convict both Trump and Pence....which would put the Speaker of the House in the Oval Office.

I fantasize about this daily, but know they wouldn't actually do it.

[bronxiteforever]

59. Kick and recommend.

[Scurrilous]

61. K&R

[RhodeIslandOne]

62. Of course she would have

At the very least, we would not have Neil Gorsuck, with Brett Kavanaugh on deck ready to strip millions of their rights in everything from health, to reproductive rights to union rights......

Paris Accord would still be in place.

Children would not be in cages.

Etc Etc

Fuck anyone who didn't vote for her and especially those who actively worked against her. This is on you.