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Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:55 AM

 

Do we have a prison suitable for holding a former pResident?

I'd imagine that he would have to be in isolation...

Does he lose Secret Service protection if convicted?

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Reply Do we have a prison suitable for holding a former pResident? (Original post)
LakeSuperiorView Aug 2018 OP
VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #1
marylandblue Aug 2018 #2
duforsure Aug 2018 #20
tosh Aug 2018 #22
Turbineguy Aug 2018 #3
CatMor Aug 2018 #4
Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #5
Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #6
ooky Aug 2018 #7
GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #8
Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #9
gratuitous Aug 2018 #10
dalton99a Aug 2018 #11
dchill Aug 2018 #12
unblock Aug 2018 #13
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #17
unblock Aug 2018 #19
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #23
RockRaven Aug 2018 #14
HAB911 Aug 2018 #15
lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #16
procon Aug 2018 #18
NCjack Aug 2018 #21
Timewas Aug 2018 #24

Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:57 AM

1. I hope it's one with a view of golf course

Just a view.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:58 AM

2. Guantanamo is very secure.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:16 PM

20. I agree

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:23 PM

22. Guantanamo is my second choice.

Devilís Island (aka Cayenne) would be my first.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:58 AM

3. Build a

Chateau d'If.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:59 AM

4. Will his 2 sons, daughter and son-in-law ...

be in the same prison?

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:01 AM

5. John Gotti's cell at Marion quite suitable.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:02 AM

6. isnt it a death penalty?

for the head of the military to betray his country to the enemy?

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:04 AM

7. Well, he wants private prisons.

He should get to eat his own fruit.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:05 AM

8. No need.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death 18 U.S. Code ß 2381 - Treason

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:05 AM

9. No, but Vlad does

Butyrka prison, where Sergei Magnitsky died in November of 2009:



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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:06 AM

10. Spandau prison was pretty secure

Though I think that was mostly due to the Soviets, who really knew how to lock up people. I don't think we can call on their expertise in this situation.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:07 AM

11. There is a beautiful place in Russia that just opened up

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:10 AM

12. Alcatraz.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:15 AM

13. it would take a miracle to get to that point, but if we did, it would be home confinement at best.

i really can't see a scenario where he ends up in a real prison.

even if he's dead-to-rights on multiple felonies that pre-date and have nothing to do with his presidential campaign.

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Response to unblock (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:37 AM

17. There are some people who really do think Trump is going to end up in prison.

Now, Iíd love that. But reality is, itís not happening. Like, thereís a zero percent chance that he will ever be behind bars.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:58 AM

19. yeah i don't think they're thinking all the way through.

i think there's a fair chance that he'll actually stand trial (most likely post-presidency) and accept a plea deal that includes home confinement.

actually being behind bars? i don't think he'd accept any such plea, so that means a trial. lots of uncertainty and lots of delays.

he can delay a *lot* while president, even if the supreme court eventually says a president can be tried while still president. he can always claim important business to interfere with the court schedule. maybe he gets impeached in 2019, but even so, the trial might not start until 2020. if not it might easily be 2021.

once he's out of office, it serves him to play up adverse medical conditions. he'd old, out of shape, and gosh being president takes a toll. when it comes to negotiating, staying out of prison is probably the top priority, so a plea that gives him home confinement is likely a "win" for donnie and any guilty plea is a "win" for prosecutors as well. keep in mind his remaining life expectancy is around 9 years, so big delays and playing up medical conditions make for a good argument against him going to actual prison.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:35 PM

23. It's far from a zero chance. It's definitely a plausible scenario.

Whether it's likely is another matter. There are still a lot of hoops and contingencies--Trump getting indicted, Trump getting convicted, Trump not getting the benefit of a Ford-esqe pardon, Trump getting sentenced to incarceration, Trump not keeling over of a heart attack before it's all said and done, etc.

It's just too early to say how likely that will all play out. It's unprecedented here, but we've only had 45 presidencies to date so lots of things that happen with any president might be considered unprecedented. Before 1974, it was unprecedented that a President had ever voluntarily resigned his office, for example.

But if you want to look for a fully developed, democratic country that has just recently sent its former leader away to prison, look no further than South Korea. Just as an example.

There are some things that are frequently bandied around here at DU that are simply not going to happen. Like nullifying the 2016 election and installing Hillary. Love it, but it's not going to happen. Or nullifying all judges that Trump appoints. Again, not going to happen.

But the idea that Trump could potentially face prison time, while still a long ways off and extremely speculative at the moment, is an actual possibility.


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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:27 AM

14. ADX Florence is fine. There are a couple other traitors there,

like Robert Hanssen. Some organized crime people too. Trump will fit right in.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:29 AM

15. P-A-R-D-O-N-E-D

we'll never see a president in an orange jumpsuit

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:30 AM

16. Mar-A-Gitmo

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:54 AM

18. Several choices come to mind... Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, ICE detention centers, or

maybe Sheriff Joe's Tent Prison in Arizona has a vacancy.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:17 PM

21. USP Leavenworth. That's the place for him,

since he is holds the rank of commander-in-chief.

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Response to LakeSuperiorView (Original post)

Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:54 PM

24. I do n/t

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