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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:00 PM Aug 2012

The Way We Are Screwed... And How Come Nobody Goes To Jail ???

Morgan Stanley to pay $4.8 mln, no admission of wrongdoing

* Electricity price-fixing said to cost consumers $300 mln

* Justice Department: Pact sends message to banking industry

* Morgan Stanley declines to comment

By Jonathan Stempel - Reuters

<snip>

Aug 7 (Reuters) - A federal judge grudgingly approved Morgan Stanley's $4.8 million settlement of electricity price-fixing charges over activity estimated to have cost New York consumers about $300 million, turning aside claims by a major nonprofit that the accord let the bank off too easily.

The case, which also involved the electricity generator KeySpan Corp, was the first in which the U.S. Department of Justice said it tried to recover improper profit from a financial services company that used derivatives to foster anticompetitive behavior.

Morgan Stanley entered a swap agreement with KeySpan in 2006 that gave it a stake in revenue by Astoria Generating Co, which also operated in New York City. It also entered a related hedge with Astoria.

The government said the arrangement allowed KeySpan to withhold substantial electricity generating capacity from the market, driving prices higher for consumers, and generated $21.6 million of net revenue for Morgan Stanley.

U.S. District Judge William Pauley in Manhattan said he shared the concerns of state officials and the AARP, a nonprofit serving people 50 and older, that any settlement should have reflected the harm to consumers and forced Morgan Stanley to give up the $21.6 million.

"Given the government's stark allegations of manipulative conduct against Morgan Stanley, disgorgement of $4.8 million is a relatively mild sanction," Pauley wrote. "There is a risk that a large financial services firm like Morgan Stanley could view such a modest penalty as merely a cost of doing business.

"But despite this court's misgivings, the government's decision to settle for less than full damages is entitled to judicial deference, particularly in view of the novelty of the government's theory."

The judge also rejected the AARP argument that the $4.8 million be returned to consumers, in part because sending it instead to the U.S. Treasury served the public interest.

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More: http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/07/morganstanley-keyspan-antitrust-ruling-idINL2E8J7GL820120807


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The Way We Are Screwed... And How Come Nobody Goes To Jail ??? (Original Post) WillyT Aug 2012 OP
Goldman too. KurtNYC Aug 2012 #1
Well, at least it sends a signal MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #2
And "Don't worry, the fines will never exceed a fraction of the illegal profits." nt DCKit Aug 2012 #3
"As long as we get our 25% cut, everything's cool." nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #4
But Look At The Math ??? WillyT Aug 2012 #5
I agree, it's astonishing MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author pa28 Aug 2012 #7
The punishment must fit the crime spike91nz Aug 2012 #8
78% profit, not bad. lawsuits = part of the cost of doing crime, er, business. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #9
Department of Just Us. Octafish Aug 2012 #10
I am so fucking pissed over this. Autumn Aug 2012 #11
Have we had enough yet? woo me with science Aug 2012 #12
How come? Because Eric Holder couldn't find any wrongdoing worthy of his time 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #13
and yet there will be those who call that "justice". Solly Mack Aug 2012 #14
kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #15
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Aug 2012 #16
kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #17
K & R Quantess Aug 2012 #18

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
1. Goldman too.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57490324/goldman-dodges-sec-bullet-over-bum-mortgage-deal/

eta: this is a big part of what is stopping the recovery and holding back investment and values. They need to restore integrity to the markets and the banks.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. Well, at least it sends a signal
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:05 PM
Aug 2012

"Make No Mistake: we got your back. Do whatever you want."

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
5. But Look At The Math ???
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:23 PM
Aug 2012

I know you know what I'm talking about, but...

* Taxpayers get screwed out of $300 Million

* Morgan Stanley/KeyStan/Astoria bank 21.6 Million

* Feds/Judge fine them 4.8 Million

Nobody goes to jail, New Yorker's get screwed, and the crooks net $16.8 Million AFTER FINES AND PENALTIES !!!






 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
6. I agree, it's astonishing
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:26 PM
Aug 2012

Yet totally business as usual. I wrote another post to call attention to yours: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021102848

But folks seem to be so used to getting fucked that they just don't care any more. We're down to being thankful at the end of each day that we don't live in our cars; anything better is gravy.

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spike91nz

(180 posts)
8. The punishment must fit the crime
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:13 AM
Aug 2012

For a group that understands the world only in terms of pecuniary profits and losses, the penalty has to be greater than the profits or they will see the fine as only the cost of practicing "good business sense." If they make 300 million and it cost them 4.2 million there is a profit rewarding the behavior of 295.8 million. If you want them to stop, either put those responsible in prison for an extensive time, or fine them the profits made plus a serious penalty. As it stands, they can make a handsome profit from violating the laws and ignoring common human decency.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Department of Just Us.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:39 AM
Aug 2012

Works for the 1-percent's 1-percent. Lovely families - a good small number of whom actually are citizens.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. Have we had enough yet?
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
Aug 2012

Is the real problem clear now, America?

Is the scenery falling down yet?

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