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H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:46 PM Aug 2018

The Manical Misery Tour

As a Good Friend posted on facebook, Helsinki was just a month ago. Clearly, a lot of information about the Trump-Russian scandal has come to the surface since then. Tuesday's events were outstanding. The pace of events combined with the good work of journalists increases the value of internet discussions. Yet it can be difficult to identify the “best” place to start.

How about a review regarding the chances that Trump agrees to meet with Mr. Mueller? A factor to keep in mind – one not being discussed recently in the media – is that Trump did meet with Mr. Mueller in May of 2017.Both of them remember that discussion It is actually the primary reason that Trump says that Mr. Mueller is “conflicted.”

First, Trump outlined his vision of what the FBI should do during his administration. Then Trump offered the former director his old job – to replace Mr. Comey, who Trump claimed had done the job wrong. But Mr. Mueller was not interested. In fact, the following day he was appointed to his current position in the Justice Department.

Both men have measured the other. Trump is far too much of a coward to agree to meeting Mr. Mueller. What is interesting to consider now is how much Trump fears Mr. Mueller “communicating” with Donald, Junior. We can watch films of both Trumps being deposed as recently as the summer of 2016 on YouTube. Neither would fare well with Mr. Mueller; Junior is even weaker than his father.

And that brings us to Michael Cohen. He was the trouble-shooting, tough guy for “the Family.” He has worked with Trump's three best-known spawn, as well as Jared, for years. This included during the campaign. We know that the operation to silence two women during the campaign, by way of illegal campaign contributions, included Cohen, Trump, and at least one other member of the campaign. It sure as hell wasn't Tiffany or Barron.

Yesterday's news that state agencies are focused upon interviewing Cohen after his guilty plea to SDNY federal charges, places Trump and the three spawn in further legal jeopardy. Since Trump can't pardon them for state charges, it must be a rather uncomfortable time in Trump world. Please join me in sending thoughts and prayers – for convictions, of course.

Will Trump pardon Manafort? It is likely. However, doing so will work against Trump as soon as the new Democratic majority is seated in the House of Representatives. While we can anticipate Trump acting out in ways that are damaging to our nation, keep in mind that it is a clear sigh that the end is near.

Hopefully, that will signal the end of Rudy Giuliani and Alan Dershowitz's appearances on television. Often in a long life, all that is left in the last stages is the person's essence. Both men are disgusting.

Finally, is there a possibility that Mr. Mueller and Mr. Rosenstein will decide that, due to extreme circumstances, Trump should be indicted? It would seem unlikely that the thought hasn't crossed both men's minds. I believe that it is likely that Mr. Mueller will file sealed indictments, to be opened the moment Trump is removed from office.

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ffr

(22,669 posts)
1. I'm not so sure the Pence doesn't get rolled into this too.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:50 PM
Aug 2018

He's tainted by Flynn and Manafort.

This investigation has a long way to go still.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
2. Pence is dirty.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:05 PM
Aug 2018

General Flynn didn't lie to him, for example. Flynn coordinated with Pence closely during the transition.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
3. Whether true or not, I believe Cohen cited Helsinki when Trump sided with Putin
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:11 PM
Aug 2018

over America's intelligence agencies as the straw that broke the camel's back in regards to his loyalty to DT.

Thanks for the thread H2O Man.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
4. Right.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:03 PM
Aug 2018

It's hard to say with Cohen, because he is such a liar. There is likely some truth to it, though I'd wager one of his lawyers planted the seed. And it came on top of Cohen's realizing that Trump wasn't going to help him out in any way.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
6. I see what you did with that title there, WaterMan...
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:46 PM
Aug 2018

And I like it, lol! You can make the subtle Beatles references for me, anytime! K&R. I am really beginning to think were reaching the beginning of the end stages of this terminal cancer on the nation. At least I hope so.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
7. The Beatles ......
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:10 PM
Aug 2018

didn't they open for the Bay City Rollers?

I have, of course, been listening to a lot of Beatles music. Definitely my favorite for the past 55 years or so. And when I was momentarily stumped for a title, I borrowed from the CD that I was playing.

And I agree completely about the beginning of the end. I do anticipate that Trump will have destructive outbursts. And that i8s awful, no doubt. But in time, he will be exposed as the cowardly pup that he is.

Thank you.

(My son is bringing me to see Ringo next month!)

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
8. No, I think they were the band David Cassidy and Bobby Sherman were in, weren't they...
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 08:36 PM
Aug 2018

LOL.
I listen to the Beatles albums a lot on my Ipod at work. My job gives me the ability to spend about half my week listening to music (I work in accounting for a medium to large manufacturing corp) and I have most of the Beatles catalog. Magical Mystery Tour has always been one of my favorites. Help is another; I loved it and Hard Days Night when I first saw those movies as a kid, and I was a kid - just 3-4 when the Beatles hit the US.
Good on your son, taking you to see Ringo - I am sure you'll have a great time!

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
9. I started collecting
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 09:01 PM
Aug 2018

Beatles records etc shortly after they appeared on Ed Sullivan. They had photos taken with a young man named Cassius Clay, who had not only released an album of poetry, but was preparing to upset Sonny Liston! I still have his "I am the Greatest" record, as well as a large amount of Beatles and post-Beatles material. I like talking about them almost as much as listening to their music.

Have you seen a different version of the Imagine LP is coming out?

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