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Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:07 PM Aug 2018

UPDATE: BuzzFeed story........Following Seth Abramson tonight? TruePundit has outed himself.

Last edited Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)


UPDATE Link to Buzzfeed story:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/revealed-notorious-pro-trump-misinformation-site-true




Better check out his twitter feed.


Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson

BREAKING NEWS: "True Pundit," who spread the Russia-born "Pizzagate" conspiracy about Clinton's emails just days before Election Day 2016—with Team Trump's help—has outed himself as Michael Moore, former employee of...

...ex-RNC Finance Chair Steve Wynn.
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UPDATE: BuzzFeed story........Following Seth Abramson tonight? TruePundit has outed himself. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Aug 2018 OP
more Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #1
The plot sickens. peekaloo Aug 2018 #2
apparently the story was about to break... Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #3
K&R, "who spread the Russia-born "Pizzagate" conspiracy" & nearly 50% of Trump voters believed it in uponit7771 Aug 2018 #4
excerpt from Buzzfeed Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #5
Speculating that 45's collusion with true pundit might be evidence of illegal election fraud lindysalsagal Aug 2018 #6
What evidence is there that Trump colluded with true pundit? triron Aug 2018 #9
Here's part of what Abramson published in December. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #10
Kick dalton99a Aug 2018 #7
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Aug 2018 #8
The Buzzfeed story basically Abramson was all wrong about this guy 11cents Aug 2018 #11
well......that doesn't mean that those rogue NY FBI agents didn't use TruePundit. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #12
VERY VERY interesting trueblue2007 Aug 2018 #13
republicans have embraced LIES and FALSEHOOD wholeheartedly Achilleaze Aug 2018 #14

Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
1. more
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:09 PM
Aug 2018

Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
6h6 hours ago

2/ Yes, his name is Michael Moore; no, he's not *that* Michael Moore. Which is going to make it hard for investigative reporters to track down his connections to the NYC FBI field office, Mike Flynn, Donald Trump Jr., Erik Prince, Rudy Giuliani (et cetera) using online research.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
6h6 hours ago

3/ BUZZFEED NEWS on the True Pundit revelation (which is more significant than you might think, if you know what Team Trump was doing with its massive national disinformation campaign in the waning days of the 2016 general election season, and with whom):
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
6h6 hours ago

4/ By the way, yes, I do know the Buzzfeed article mentions me, and (a) says I'm "#resistance", which is not a term I *ever* apply to myself (though RT and certain US media outlets do), and (b) ridicules the evidence-based work I did on True Pundit—which has since been confirmed.
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Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
3. apparently the story was about to break...
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:46 PM
Aug 2018

....so the guy outed himself. Abramson has been working on this since December, I think.

uponit7771

(91,355 posts)
4. K&R, "who spread the Russia-born "Pizzagate" conspiracy" & nearly 50% of Trump voters believed it in
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:55 PM
Aug 2018

... part or whole.

Stupid ass's

Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
5. excerpt from Buzzfeed
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:56 PM
Aug 2018

Misinformation Site True Pundit Is Run By An Ex-Journalist With A Grudge Against The FBI

How award-winning former journalist Michael D. Moore came to run a site filled with false reports and conspiracies.
Headshot of Craig Silverman
Craig Silverman

BuzzFeed News Reporter



Posted on August 27, 2018, at 2:57 p.m. ET

Days after former FBI lawyer Lisa Page testified in a closed-door meeting with the House Oversight and Government Reform and House Judiciary committees, pro-Trump website True Pundit published an explosive — and false — report about what she said.

The article cited anonymous “well-placed FBI sources” to claim Page revealed that Chinese hackers had accessed Hillary Clinton’s private server, stolen her emails, and intercepted hundreds of top secret documents including even the president's daily schedule — and that the FBI knew about it and did nothing.

In response, Page’s lawyer spoke publicly to say the story was unequivocally false. Even Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert — who has pushed the as-yet unproven claim that a foreign power “other than Russia” gained access to Clinton’s server — disputed the story about Page. He told Fox News she “apparently didn’t know” about anything related to China, directly contradicting True Pundit.

lindysalsagal

(22,297 posts)
6. Speculating that 45's collusion with true pundit might be evidence of illegal election fraud
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:56 PM
Aug 2018

Mueller seems to lead with the proof before the accusation.

Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
10. Here's part of what Abramson published in December.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:57 AM
Aug 2018

I'm copying here a portion of it. Some people are loathe to go to twitter.


Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson

(THREAD) It's time to tell the biggest untold story of the 2016 election: how a cadre of pro-Trump FBI agents and intel officers—some active, some retired—conspired to swing the election to Trump. The story involves Flynn, Prince, Giuliani, and others. Hope you'll read and share.
1:52 AM - 9 Dec 2017

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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

1/ True Pundit is a pro-Trump fake news site that began publishing on June 9, 2016—the day that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort met with Kremlin agents in Trump Tower to discuss the Kremlin's provision to the Trump campaign of incriminating material on Clinton.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

2/ True Pundit would quickly reveal itself as having the same agenda Trump Jr. had when he met with Kremlin agents on the day True Pundit launched: its mission would be to destroy Clinton's candidacy by uncovering incriminating material about her—particularly via her emails.
12 replies 718 retweets 1,950 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

3/ All articles on True Pundit are published anonymously. The only person publicly associated with the website operates under a pseudonym—"Thomas Paine." (Thomas Paine, a Founding Father of the United States, was instrumental in convincing the colonies to rebel against Britain.)
21 replies 648 retweets 1,826 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

4/ From June 9, 2016 to June 12, 2016, it seemed clear True Pundit had been started up in a hurry—it published dozens of stories but no original reporting. More than 95% of stories were simply links to other sources, while True Pundit "originals" were two-sentence news summaries.
12 replies 573 retweets 1,699 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

5/ Many of True Pundit's early news sources were predictable: Breitbart, The Daily Caller, InfoWars, The New York Post, The Washington Examiner, The Washington Free Beacon, Fox News, and The Daily Beast. Breitbart was far and away the most commonly linked-to website at the time.
11 replies 633 retweets 1,718 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

6/ But True Pundit also, in its first three days, occasionally linked to mainstream news sources like The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, NBC, ESPN, Reuters, The Guardian (UK), The Telegraph (UK), and The Independent (UK).
10 replies 473 retweets 1,477 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

7/ That said, in its first 72 hours True Pundit also linked to two Russian news sources—RT and Sputnik—an intelligence-oriented site called "Intel News," and several fringe-right publications. A typical link assured readers Clinton would destroy America:
28 replies 671 retweets 1,690 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

8/ Then, on June 12th, 2016, the Orlando nightclub shooting occurred—and it seemed a switch had been turned on. True Pundit had its story. The site meticulously covered Omar Mateen, the 29 year-old from a moderate Muslim family who killed 49 people at an LGBT club called "Pulse."
16 replies 497 retweets 1,531 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

9/ It's important to know that of the site's first several dozen stories pre-June 12, only one was both a) not a link to another source, and b) more than two sentences. This story—about the July DNC—claimed True Pundit (just 3 days old) had "police" and "security expert" sources.
29 replies 518 retweets 1,524 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

10/ It must've seemed odd to any readers of True Pundit in those first 72 hours of operation to read that the Philly publication already had *multiple* sources in the Philadelphia Police Department and *multiple* Philly-based "recognized security expert" sources—but so they said.
13 replies 457 retweets 1,539 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

11/ But Mateen changed everything. Suddenly True Pundit was publishing what it said were original ("exclusive&quot stories, all of which relied—or claimed to—on FBI sources. Not just one source, but multiple—and not just random sources, but sources close to the Pulse investigation.
10 replies 505 retweets 1,504 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

12/ The mystery of this was dispelled almost immediately, when True Pundit wrote the following in an "exclusive" on Mateen after the shooting: "True Pundit has folks who worked for the FBI and other agencies on staff." It then claimed to have "unique insight" into FBI operations.
10 replies 506 retweets 1,482 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

13/ Whether or not True Pundit really had ex-FBI staff, no reader could possibly know. But what was clear was that True Pundit was obsessed with the FBI, had—at a minimum—some basic knowledge of criminal investigation, and was very, very, angry at the current state of the Bureau:
17 replies 524 retweets 1,535 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

14/ Two things must be noted here: first, that the complaint True Pundit has about the FBI—that it radically underestimates the threat of Islamist terrorism and values HUMINT too little in fighting terrorism—are exactly the anti-terror complaints Mike Flynn has widely publicized.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

15/ Second, if True Pundit had told the truth about itself, it meant (a) the very purpose of the website was to give ex-FBI agents an opportunity to complain about the Bureau, and (b) the site's M.O. in doing so would be to use as sources current FBI agents upset with the Bureau.
5 replies 519 retweets 1,551 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

16/ Keep in mind that, by June 2016, the FBI had already been investigating Hillary Clinton's emails for eleven months—since July of 2015. Indeed, the FBI's investigation into Clinton's emails had begun at almost exactly the same time Donald Trump announced his presidential run.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

17/ Keep in mind, too, that True Pundit was launched less than a month before then-FBI Director James Comey announced—on July 5, 2016—that the Bureau was not going to bring charges against Clinton. By mid-June, current FBI agents would've just learned no charges were forthcoming.
5 replies 492 retweets 1,482 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

18/ Rudy Giuliani would later describe the anti-Clinton elements at the FBI as being, during Summer/Fall 2016, not just "angry" but "boiling," and not just "boiling" but on the brink of "revolution."

True Pundit appears to have been an outgrowth of that.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

19/ So this is where I point out that there was one *other* story—besides the Omar Mateen story—that True Pundit was positively obsessed with (and doing "exclusive" reporting on, using FBI sources) during its first week: Hillary Clinton's emails and the FBI investigation thereof.
8 replies 468 retweets 1,467 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

20/ Just 96 hours into its existence, True Pundit was running a *multi-part* "exclusive" on an FBI probe the site's authors' friends in the Bureau were conducting. The reports cited "intelligence sources" with extensive knowledge of the FBI investigation.
9 replies 495 retweets 1,401 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

21/ In "Part 2" of its "exclusive" reporting on the FBI investigation of Clinton's emails, the self-professed ex-FBI agents behind True Pundit quoted sources within the FBI investigation clearly angry at Mrs. Clinton for (they said) withholding her emails.
5 replies 430 retweets 1,319 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

22/ You have to understand the level of access to current FBI agents True Pundit was then claiming to have: the site, which had started up *less than 100 hours prior*, was claiming to have *exclusive* knowledge of *prior FBI contacts* with the nation's then-most infamous killer.
10 replies 480 retweets 1,436 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

23/ By June 13, 2016, it was clear that True Pundit was a political outfit: it had quoted from and linked to a Trump press release, and had mercilessly attacked the Democratic candidate for president. Any active FBI agent speaking to True Pundit was—already—a Hatch Act violation.
12 replies 749 retweets 1,997 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

24/ Here's all the info you need on the Hatch Act.

It applies to the FBI and—while not a criminal statute—a violation of the Hatch Act is a violation of federal law and would get you fired from federal employment immediately (assuming a serious breach).
10 replies 623 retweets 1,659 likes
Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

25/ So here's where things get complicated. Beginning in mid-June 2016, True Pundit switches to all original "reporting" and begins publishing longer stories. It is relentlessly right-wing: anti-immigration, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Trump, virulently anti-Clinton and anti-Obama.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

26/ It also takes a hard turn into anti-Clinton fake news within its first week—as the story below demonstrates.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

27/ But here's what you *really* need to understand: the FBI quickly became aware of this website—at the highest levels—and *acknowledged*, internally, that the people behind True Pundit had access to intel from *current* FBI agents.

Even *James Comey* was aware of True Pundit.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

28/ And it *matters* that James Comey was (a) aware of True Pundit, and (b) believed they had sources within the FBI.

Moreover, it *matters* that he knew—and he did—that True Pundit was angling for sources *inside* the Clinton probe, and that Comey's deputy thought he had them.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

29/ Documents acquired via FOIA requests by (of all organizations) Judicial Watch reveal that Andrew McCabe, Comey's deputy, believed that True Pundit had "heavyweight" sources within the FBI. While Comey was skeptical, he *acknowledged* the sources were *definitely* FBI sources.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
9 Dec 2017

30/ When McCabe forwarded a True Pundit story to Comey on October 24, 2016, calling its source on Clinton "heavyweight," Comey demurred, saying "This still reads to me like someone not involved in the investigation at all, maybe somebody who heard rumors."
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11cents

(1,779 posts)
11. The Buzzfeed story basically Abramson was all wrong about this guy
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:42 AM
Aug 2018

His FBI contacts are minimal at best. Good lord these Twitter blowhards.

Grasswire2

(13,684 posts)
12. well......that doesn't mean that those rogue NY FBI agents didn't use TruePundit.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:59 AM
Aug 2018

He was the perfect "mule", if you will, to carry disinformation.

And from the BuzzFeed comments:

"OK so you've exposed and discredited the person behind True Pundit, but what is the correct explanation for how True Pundit came to be promoted by both Putin's state organ online and prominent members of the Trump campaign?

After all, most presidential campaigns would be worried about what spreading disinformation from such a site would mean to the campaign's perceived credibility."

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