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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:45 AM Aug 2018

Can we fix the DREs? Interesting article...

Long article with lots of references - but worth the read.

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Are U.S. Elections Legitimate? The History of Electronic Voting

http://columbusfreepress.com/article/are-us-elections-legitimate-history-electronic-voting

The speed that hackers were able to breach security on dozens of electronic voting machines at one of the United States’ largest cybersecurity conferences underscores the long-standing problem with computerized electronic voting systems in our country. At the annual DefCon cybersecurity conference this July, hacker managed to break into every voting machine within minutes, according to an article in The Hill.[1]

In Florida, Ohio and elsewhere, the electronic voting machines recorded statistically unlikely undervotes. In a hotly contested Congressional election in Sarasota, Florida, the machines recorded that 13%, or 18,000 of the votes, failed to cast a vote in a race decided by 368 votes.[14] In Montgomery County, Ohio, some 30,000 votes failed to record in the U.S. Senate race because of improper touchscreen machine “calibration.”[15] A recount and court hearing proved that it was impossible to audit the electronic machines that “glitched.”

Early in 2007, there was a push to replace paperless voting machines. Florida's Governor Charlie Crist and the State legislature agreed to ban direct­ recording electronic (DRE) voting systems. After extensive testing in California, Secretary of State (SoS) Debra Bowen, announced that DRE voting systems made by Sequoia and Diebold would be banned from use. Bowen’s testing prompted her Colorado counterpart, Mike Coffman, to decertify many of his state’s e­-voting systems.[19] Rather than install computerized vote counting machines with known system failures and security inadequacies in the run-up to the 2008 election, New York State refused to replace its lever­ based voting machinery by going electronic. Bo Lipari, executive director of New Yorkers for Verified Voting, asserts, "State after state which adopted electronic touch screen DREs are now abandoning them for paper ballots and ballot scanners. DREs cannot and do not protect our right to vote."

Pete Johnson sued Edison Media Research Inc., the monopoly organization that conducted exit polling in the 2016 primary and general election. Bob Fitrakis, Free Press Editor served as his attorney. On May 11, 2017 the United States District Court, Southern District of Ohio dismissed Johnson's suit. Johnson argued “...that exit polls are protected speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and that Edison violated his rights by refusing to provide him with unadjusted exit poll data.” At the center of Johnson's claim is the assertion that exit polls are protected speech because “the information gathered and disseminated in 'exit polls' goes the heart of the democratic process.”[156]
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Can we fix the DREs? Interesting article... (Original Post) Sancho Aug 2018 OP
Andy warned us... Dennis Donovan Aug 2018 #1
Four questions brooklynite Aug 2018 #2
I'll try... Sancho Aug 2018 #3

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
2. Four questions
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:11 AM
Aug 2018

Why has no losing candidate, campaign manager or Party official (and I know several in OH) ever blamed vote flipping for their loss?

Why did vote flipping work in 2004 but not 2006, 2008 and 2012?

Why do these reports always appear in fringe media when there's a Pulitzer prize waiting for the reporter who can seriously "break" the story?

If "they can flip votes secretly, why do "they" keep doing voter purges and restricting voting opportunities publicly?

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
3. I'll try...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:18 AM
Aug 2018

Why has no losing candidate, campaign manager or Party official (and I know several in OH) ever blamed vote flipping for their loss?

They HAVE blamed vote flipping. I witnessed it here in 2004, and there have been court challenges (at least in FL). Usually there is no paper trail, and the software is "proprietary".


Why did vote flipping work in 2004 but not 2006, 2008 and 2012?

Only because the margin of winning in some cases was too large for flipping, and because some states don't use DREs. It works sometimes in some places.


Why do these reports always appear in fringe media when there's a Pulitzer prize waiting for the reporter who can seriously "break" the story?

If you look at Election Integrity literature, and all the references in the articles, there are scholarly articles and experts who have found manipulations. Just not the "courts". The American Statistical Association published an article about FL undervotes and DREs to blame for changing an election for example. These are not "fringe", but social scientists. The same is true for exit polling. Even the Democrats don't always want to admit that the elections are rigged.


If "they can flip votes secretly, why do "they" keep doing voter purges and restricting voting opportunities publicly?

The repubs use a LOT of different methods to win: gerrymandering, registration, hacking DREs, and poll restrictions.
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