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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy new explanation on why Trump supporters still stand by him...
...it goes like this. Usually there is a mixed crowd. A few people who support Trump, more who detest Trump and some quiet folks where you don't know where they stand. I try to take the lead during a quiet time in the conversation. I then take a very smooth tone. Usually, I'm the most historically rooted person in the group.
So, I say, "Look, I can understand why people who voted for Trump continue to support him. I remember when I was just 8 years old and Jack Kennedy became the first Irish Catholic President. The pride of all the Irish Catholics was overwhelming. They never thought they would ever see the day that one of their own would occupy the highest position in America. And I remember the November night in 2008, when Barak Obama became the first African-American President. The pride of every African-American in seeing one of their own become President. An accomplishment few even dreamed that they would ever see. If you can understand how those people felt in the elections of one of their own, then you can understand that a racist-bigot would have the same fellings now that one of their own is President."
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)African Americans nor the Catholics were a mob of drooling cretins. Drumpfer's are.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Besides, those were identifiable classes of people. What we have today is a cult leader and his followers. And how do you deprogram 60 million people that will resist all efforts.
ailsagirl
(22,898 posts)Dan
(3,579 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,138 posts)It's pretty clever, but i fear it's too clever for the PINO voters.
More like CHUDs.
PatSeg
(47,567 posts)Geechie
(865 posts)Do you recall anything about Andrew Jackson? Just the most glaring example, but there have been others since.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)Sedona
(3,769 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)and I'm using "poetic license" to make my point. I'm sure there were plenty of racists that served as President. Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, just to name a few.
But none in the lifetime of Trump voters, so that's how the point is made.
Geechie
(865 posts)the high probability that if you asked most Trump voters to name a dozen past US presidents, they probably wouldn't be able to!
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Jackson defied the Supreme Court when they told him he couldn't march the Native Americans to Oklahoma, a move necessary for the plantation system in the south to flourish.
You are good to remind people about Andrew Jackson!
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)But what I don't understand is people who don't know where they stand. How can someone not know where they stand? My attitude is those who are silent are compliant.
louis c
(8,652 posts)My OP says "they are quiet, so YOU don't know where they stand.
Mr.Bill
(24,315 posts)participating in forums like this one it is very to lose sight of the fact that there are many people, even a majority that don't really know that much about politics or candidates. Perfectly intelligent and decent people who are just ignorant about political matters. The most common reasons I hear from Trump voters as to why they voted for him is "He's going to shake things up" or "We need a businessman to run the country". And that is their complete depth of thought about their vote.
My stepdaughter has a masters degree in clinical nursing and is a hospital administrator. She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met, but she leads a busy business life and doesn't watch MSNBC ten hours a day like I do. She didn't vote for Trump, but if you tell her the Russians hijacked the election, she just laughs. I also have to keep reminding myself that there are about two generations of voters that weren't even alive when I realized that Donald Trump was a slimy con man.
I have met many who genuinely think that Trump is the richest and therefore smartest businessman who ever lived. It's just plain ignorance.
2naSalit
(86,764 posts)some religious groups thin that the richer you are the holier you are, like the one mittens and orin hatch belong to.
7962
(11,841 posts)Ive heard many times that bad news is only bad if it happens a few weeks before an election, because thats when so many voters START paying attention
CynicalAtheist
(3 posts)Think of Dems vs Repubs like a sports team, your QB is a wife-beater, alcoholic & goes around kicking dogs and it doesn't matter because this is the guy that will finally take your team to the championship this year and the next.
They had to see 8 years of Obama bumper stickers, t-shirts and seeing him on TV so now it is "our" turn so now we get to wear our MAGA hats to the office like you wore your "Yes We Can" t-shirts at work.
mac56
(17,574 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Auburn won a national championship with a QB that was kicked off the team at UGA for stealing. They gladly take in "bad guys" if they've got game. Its the power of the Alumni.
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)and why the Miami slam? It was FSU who backed the rapist quarterback, not Miami
Otherwise, good point. Steelers have one of the greatest family owned franchises and even they backed Roethlisberger, a twice-accused rapist.
Trumpsters have their Supreme Court picks. That's like winning the Super Bowl for the remainder of their lives.
7962
(11,841 posts)There are so many to choose from at Auburn, its hard to keep track!!!
As for Miami, their football program is considered one of top scandalous athletic programs in the country, according to Bleacher Report
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)But regardless of what they say, these people are not for anything. They just don't want people who are not like them - white - getting stuff. All stuff that can be got must be got by white people. Black, brown, and other people don't deserve stuff. And it's their own fault.
And it's not that only Christians should get stuff. Black people and Hispanic people can be Christians, but they can't get stuff that should rightly go to white people. And bad shit that happens to non-white people is their own damn fault.
They are well beyond the "I have friends that are fill in the blank. . . " They don't have to pretend anymore. They don't have friends that are non-white and they don't give a fuck.
Etc. etc.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Good post.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)And their children who were taught the same priorities.
I dated some girls in college who were right wingers. I remained friends with two of them after they married and had children. For experimental purposes I googled those children a few weeks ago. They are now in their late teens to late 20s so I knew they would have social media. And sure enough, they are wing nuts. One kid had tens of thousands of followers on twitter because he is a Trump wacko who retweets everything that is pro Trump or anti-liberal. His twitter photo is himself decked out head to toe in Trump gear and going crazy at a 2016 Trump rally in Texas.
That is what we are dealing with.
And I'm glad I didn't marry them.
2naSalit
(86,764 posts)the kocktopus is getting impatient 'cause their utopia is supposed to materialize before those old fuckers die.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)I would add "male" and "heterosexual" to the white dominance. Possibly even "Christian."
johnnyplankton
(352 posts)Nothing like starting a discussion with an insult. What could possibly go wrong?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)Trump knows that his supporters are fools. His strategy as demagogue is to play back their own bigotry. They see a kindred spirit, the trusting lambs.
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lunatica
(53,410 posts)So they would probably agree with you wholeheartedly and embrace you in gratitude!
Raster
(20,998 posts)bluescribbler
(2,120 posts)JFK and BHO were the first of their kinds. tRump is not the first racist bigot to become President. Woodrow Wilson came before him, and I suspect that many antebellum Presidents were, as well.
TeamPooka
(24,248 posts)Mopar151
(9,992 posts)TeamPooka
(24,248 posts)Canoe52
(2,949 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Kennedy and Obama. When you are good, good things happen to you, sort of thing. You don't just "get your turn" regardless of who you are. That's not how it works.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)iluvtennis
(19,868 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)" ... then you can understand that an ignorant, racist-bigot would have the same fellings (sic) now that one of their own is President."
Of course many other descriptors could be added as well, that word sums up him and his followers rather well.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Angry. Angry that a black man became President. Angry that a white woman was running for the office.
Anger is close to fear for many. Fear of change, fear of losing, "something" but not sure what it is. What it is is the feeling that they are riding on top of the heap and, whatever they haven't accomplished in life, or whatever they don't have, at least they have their position on the top of the heap.
Actually, doesn't racism and bigotry also go back to fear?
I am a white woman but I don't need to be above anyone else to feel worthwhile. I have what I have done with my life, which includes a college education. I don't need to fall back on the color of my skin!
I have relatives, though, who do. They chose to ride that horse called Trump in the last election in order to get back what they "lost".
Persondem
(1,936 posts)onlyadream
(2,167 posts)Hes doing everything he said he would!
Like thats a good thing...
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)You didn't even need to tell us that you have a very smooth tone, and that you're "the most historically rooted person in the group". It's very obvious. You did great! And it's not just me that says that. This guy does too.........and,yeah, it's Hercules
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)and has always been my thought.
People might recall that in the past, as far back as Nixon - Nixon and the GOP courting the "dixiecrats".... through Raygun manufacturing and courting the "Moral Majority", and the Bushes embracing "The Angry White Male" - all during the Presidential primaries. Once they got elected however, all were shamed into throwing those groups under the bus and suppressing them.
But fast-forward to 2016 and a candidate who not only courted all of the above groups, but some of the most odious and obnoxious RW scum who were rarely "spoken to". And as he did this, he literally looked like them, acted like them, talked like them, thought like them, and was as hypocritical as they were and didn't care if he was a hypocrite because he was "In Charge" and "Told It Like It Was".
And key here is that he has NOT thrown them under the bus like his GOP predecessors. And he has been bolstered by the fact that his party has refused to do so either (while apparently backed by wealthy RW loons and a foreign country to underscore the lifeline).
bucolic_frolic
(43,257 posts)Pride. They are reflecting Trump's pride in their own pride. So simple, yet so elusive, you have exposed it for all to see, thanks!!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)IAMSPARTICUS
(17 posts)just watch commercials on tv. they see black, brown, asian, gay people in disproportionate numbers and see their culture being lost. i've personally heard such comments. "why is the white guy the stupid one?" spike lee addresses this point in blackkklansman.
JI7
(89,261 posts)he is a bigot and has never stopped being one.
Marcuse
(7,504 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)Oh yeah there were -
1964 Presidential election -
What tipped the GOP numbers over the hump to win the national majority in 1968 after losing in 1964, were the dixiecrats, but the white southern GOP were already there - stoked into action by the Goldwater exhortation about "states rights", which eventually evolved into the "southern strategy" (PDF).
The big change came in 1964 with Barry Goldwater and ''states' rights,'' a phrase and philosophy widely seen as anti-black and opposed by President Lyndon B. Johnson, the godfather of voting rights for blacks. In that Presidential election and the seven after, no Republican gained more than 15 percent of the black vote.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/19/us/gop-tries-hard-to-win-black-votes-but-recent-history-works-against-it.html
As a note - the oft-cited quote came from Bill Moyers, who served in several positions under Johnson including as Press Secretary. He penned an OpEd in the WP 30 years ago that said in part -
By Bill D. Moyers
November 13, 1988
WHILE Lyndon Baines Johnson was a man of time and place, he felt the bitter paradox of both. I was a young man on his staff in 1960 when he gave me a vivid account of that southern schizophrenia he understood and feared. We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs. Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs. "I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Some years later when Johnson was president, there was a press conference in the East Room. A reporter unexpectedly asked the president how he could explain his sudden passion for civil rights when he had never shown much enthusiasm for the cause. The question hung in the air. I could almost hear his silent cursing of a press secretary who had not anticipated this one. But then he relaxed, and from an instinct no assistant could brief -- one seasoned in the double life from which he was delivered and hoped to deliver others -- he said in effect: Most of us don't have a second chance to correct the mistakes of our youth. I do and I am. That evening, sitting in the White House, discussing the question with friends and staff, he gestured broadly and said, "Eisenhower used to tell me that this place was a prison. I never felt freer."
For weeks in 1964, the president carried in his pocket the summary of a Census Bureau report showing that the lifetime earnings of an average black college graduate were lower than that of a white man with an eighth-grade education. And when The New York Times in November 1964 reported racial segregation to be increasing instead of disappearing, he took his felt-tip pen and scribbled across it "shame, shame, shame," and sent it to Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader in the Senate.
I have a hard time explaining to our two sons and daughter -- now in their twenties -- that when they were little, America was still deeply segregated. The White House press corps, housed in Austin when the president was on vacation in Texas, would often go to the faculty club at the University of Texas, which was still off-limits to blacks in 1964. I remember the night it changed.
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/?utm_term=.d184a2dd52d4
Marcuse
(7,504 posts)Republicans specifically, rather than low white men in general. I should have said there were then relatively fewer Republicans in the solid south when Moyers quoted LBJ instead of none.
BumRushDaShow
(129,355 posts)I'm seeing that PA had the same number of electoral votes as CA in 1960. Now we have a bit more than 1/3rd (as of the 2010 census, CA had 55 and PA had 20).
jcgoldie
(11,638 posts)The perception of white privilege unfortunately is not just a southern phenomenon.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I'm more and more convinced that it is directly correlated with intelligence as well as bigotry.
Nitram
(22,846 posts)artists have been racist, anti-Semitic or otherwise bigoted. Two examples: James Watson (Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine as co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) and William Shockley (Nobel Prize in Physics for researches on semiconductors and the discovery of the transistor effect),
Marcuse
(7,504 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)So no, I'm not claiming a correlation between intelligence and bigotry. Simply a correlation between intelligence and support for the Orange Clown thingy that the stupid people elected as POTUS.
Nitram
(22,846 posts)You can't single out Trump supporters with a blanket statement about IQ and racism. Intelligent people have succumbed to racism and bigotry like everyone else. It exists at an emotional level, not an intellectual one.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)which is that Trump voters and lower intelligence or correlated despite bigotry.
SunSeeker
(51,657 posts)Nitram
(22,846 posts)So very, very wrong.
PCIntern
(25,576 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)but you could go on, how misogynists, narcissists, psychopaths, and authoritarians are finally getting their day. not to mention people who always thought Russia did it better than the USA....
Demonaut
(8,924 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Aided and abetted by Russians, white America decided they'd had enough of BLM, and that illegal immigrants and not standing for a song were further signs the nation was going to Hell. A majority of white women decided it was more important to stand up for the white privilege than to defend women's rights.