Tuesday's other big winner: Bernie Sanders

[oberliner]

When Andrew Gillum was lagging in third or fourth place in most public opinion polls and almost no one thought he could win, Bernie Sanders was there.

The Vermont senator delivered a crucial endorsement — even if Gillum’s campaign for Florida governor seemed to be something of a lost cause.

In a primary season in which many of Sanders’ preferred candidates faltered, Gillum’s victory served as a reminder of Sanders’ pull with the progressive base as he weighs a second run for president in 2020. And it allowed Sanders to close the last of the year’s multi-state primaries on a high note.

“Once again tonight we saw the power of an unabashed progressive vision carried forward by an authentic messenger in the person of Andrew Gillum,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ 2016 campaign manager and closest political adviser. “America wants leaders with a clear agenda of protecting working people and marginalized communities. That’s as true in Florida, in Georgia, in Maryland as it is in New York or Vermont.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/bernie-sanders-florida-primary-2018-801681

[Botany]

1. I wish Bernie would go away.

n/t

[Botany]

6. "Bernie has been good for the Democrats" Tell that to President Trump.

"Bernie has been good for the Democrats"

Oh really? He isn't even a democrat and Russia used him to siphon off
votes and support for Hillary. And i have no doubt that Russian bots and
political actors are still to this day pushing Bernie 24/7 to weaken the
Democratic party.

[Botany]

14. I like pretty pictures. Do you?

[demigoddess]

32. +1000

[yardwork]

17. You joined DU three days ago and you're already this cynical?

Dude.

[NurseJackie]

20. OMG! Ha! :-D

I wish you would accept this reality and embrace Bernie.

[Cha]

83. Oh Gawd! That's what disappeared dude said..

how's that whole "reality" thing working out for him?

[NurseJackie]

84. He'll be back... Again.

[Cha]

85. No doubt.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

13. This

×2

[lillypaddle]

22. Ditto nt

[handmade34]

35. I wish

Bernie would do his job... not go away, go back to the Senate where he belongs


yes, I do want him gone from Presidential politics

[lunamagica]

3. The Bernie Sanders who couldn't win FL?

[comradebillyboy]

4. The sun came up this morning, thanks Bernie. /s

[Trust Buster]

5. The Republicans are already campaigning against Sanders in that race.

[mcar]

7. Bernie didn't win this race, Gillum did

This is a ridiculous, short sighted narrative.

Sanders endorsed Gillum in August. Gillum has been campaigning since March.

This is not Bernie's victory, it's Gillum's. To suggest anything else insults our nominee.

[Tiggeroshii]

36. Lots of people contributed to his victory

Bernie was one. Gillum was another. Then theres the thousands of people voluntereing and organizing his campaign on top of the half million that voted for him. I give them most of the credit. But same with Bernie and the donors, etc. It was definitely a team effort as it will be in November with a much broader coalition of democrats and republicans alike.

[mcar]

38. Yes

Let's give a lot of credit to the many people who volunteered for him!

[Tiggeroshii]

39. All the way!!

And the FOs and staff who sacrified their weekends and nights getting those people working and those voters out.

Really proud of what they were able to do.

[mcar]

40. It was an amazing campaign

And bodes well for the GE.

[TexasTowelie]

54. Including the candidate that finished in fourth place, Jeff Greene.

But then nine weeks ago, Jeff Greene entered the race. The Palm Beach billionaire spent $25 million and may have turned the race upside down. Greene’s attack ads on the frontrunners have coincided with Gillum rise to a competitive third – within striking distance of the frontrunners as undecided voters begin to make their choice.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10456762

I posted that thread on Monday morning before the election.

[Tiggeroshii]

56. That is completely insane

Just wow...

[TexasTowelie]

58. You might think that it is insane,

yet the writer of that article in the Tallahassee Democrat included it in his piece.

The effects of negative advertising probably don't usually have that much influence in a two person race. However, when there are several candidates to choose the effects can completely shift the race.

[Tiggeroshii]

59. I think it's hilarious he was still in 4th place

[kerry-is-my-prez]

61. If Gillum loses badly, then Bernie will be partly to blame. Since he's not a Democrat, stay out of

our business.

[Tiggeroshii]

62. ?

Bernie is a longtime member of the Democratic caucus and has supported Democrats for decades. Win or lose he has supported Democratic nominees including Hillary Clinton without hesitation.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

64. I'm tired of Bernie screwing things up for the Dems. Why does he not become a Dem like he promised?

I used to be a huge fan but I think he only cares about himself. A big ego.....

[EffieBlack]

67. "Bernie was one. Gillum was another." A little false equivalence...

Gilliam didn’t “contribute” to his own victory. HE won. Lots of people helped him to varying degrees, including the hundreds of other elected officials who endorsed him, of which Bernie Sanders was one.

Don’t get it twisted ...

[Tiggeroshii]

68. Hah that's true

but I would also say that he simply contributed more than others because he was the candidate. Either way it wasn't a serious statement on any level... simply saying that a large coalition of people and organizations made it happen.

[Me.]

103. Well At Least BS Can Sipon Some Cash Off Gillum

with his plea for 2 for 1 cash

[mcar]

104. I'll be donating directly to the candidate

Sander's plea for cash for "me and thee" is just silly.

[Me.]

105. That's Right

such a scam when he has over 9 mil in the bank and no competition for his seat

[mcar]

106. He should be donating to the candidates he's endorsing

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I see what you did there.

[FSogol]

10. "Transparency can provide almost perfect camouflage for animals able to achieve it. This is easier

in dimly-lit or turbid seawater than in good illumination. Many marine animals such as jellyfish are highly transparent."

From wiki

[Kingofalldems]

42. Looks like the OP stepped on something.

Winner was a Hillary delegate. Maybe he could take his OP down.

Or maybe there's something else going on here.

[Gothmog]

11. Really?

Link to tweet

George Soros and others funded this candidate

[Glamrock]

15. And yet he still endorsed him.

So much for the "it's all about Bernie" narrative. Now support your Senate Democrats by supporting their appointed choice of the chair for Senate outreach.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. I didn't see her name on the list of his endorsements. Did she campaign for him?

When was that picture taken?

[QC]

25. Surely she did. That must be an oversight. n/t

[Gothmog]

41. Before the National Convention

The picture was taken prior to the National Convention in Philadelphia. Like me, Gullium was a Clinton delegate and campaign for Clinton in the primary in Florida.

I was at the National Convention when Sanders delegates staged a pre-planned stunt of booing Congressman John Lewis on the first night of the convention. The Clinton campaign warned all of her delegates that this stunt was going to be occur 20 to 20 minutes before it happened. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this stunt and refused.

Link to tweet

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. So the answer is no she didn't campaign for him or endorse him?

[Gothmog]

45. Do you really believe this? That is so cute and adorable

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

46. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

48. From Joan Walsh

Link to tweet

[Hassin Bin Sober]

50. Joan Walsh, hard at work.

[uponit7771]

12. WOW DUDE !!! Like a dog with a bone

[smirkymonkey]

57. No kidding.

So tiresome.

[0rganism]

16. i hope Bernie campaigns actively for Gillum across Florida

it might just give us a turnout edge we need to win this race

[workinclasszero]

19. I hope Hillary does too!

WTF are some people are so damned determined to divide the democratic party?!

[redstatebluegirl]

26. Because it worked so well in 2016.

[0rganism]

28. if she can i hope she does

Obama, too, if possible
we're going to need all the leaders to win this race

[kerry-is-my-prez]

63. Highly doubt that Sanders would help this guy get votes in moderate Florida.

[NCTraveler]

18. .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11066823

[ismnotwasm]

21. The big winner is Black women

Not specifically Bernie. This narrative of Ber ie gets all the credit will backfire, is already backfiring.

[StevieM]

33. I wish it were backfiring but unfortunately the media seems more than happy to promote this

fictional account of last nights results.

It appears that it was Clinton voters who came through for Gillum.

[ismnotwasm]

43. I follow trends as best as my inexpert self can

It is backfiring in the black activist community. The next couple days should prove interesting

[Fullduplexxx]

23. Yea he joined at the last minute

[LanternWaste]

27. I'm glad you finally got on board w/ Gillum yesterday.

It instills confidence.

[mainer]

29. You do know that dividing us over Bernie is a move straight from Moscow?

I betcha Russian trolls and bots are even now on Twitter getting Hillary supporters riled up about Bernie's endorsement, in the hopes that everyone will get so angry they'll stay home and let the REAL Putin/Trump candidate win.

Please don't tell me we're going to fall for this again.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

66. Bernie needs to stay out of it..... THAT'S the problem.

[leftynyc]

30. You aren't fooling anyone anymore

You post nothing positive and only negative stuff that drives Democrats apart. I can only suspect your motive but I'm finally putting you on ignore.

[AlexSFCA]

31. looks like this FL governor race is gonna be huge

the swingest of swing states is at stake. Turning FL solidly blue would give us huge advantage going forward. I think that gop has lost most of latino vote in the state incl cubans. And many of them dont vote but most likely will start voting. IMO, out of all swing states, FL is more likely to become solid blue but we have to work for it. It all starts with governor and local elections which is all about the turnout.
If Bernie can help to get out young vote then we should welcome it. I anticipate Bernie, Clinton, Obama, Biden even Warren to help campaign in FL; cause like I said it’s the gonna be crucial for us to win. I will gladly donate from out of state. After all, I do travel to FL every other year.

[JCanete]

34. This is something that's hard to quantify, and can be seen as gloating or overselling Sanders

impact for the purpose of promotion. I don't expect Sanders to get up any time soon and declare that he ticked Gillum into the win column, and I don't think it helps us as a party as we struggle to find common ground and trust among us.

What he would probably say that the progressive policies these candidates are championing can win and that this is evidence that voters are embracing this message, but I don't think he would take it away from the candidate. I'm not saying the posts won't come anyway, but posts like this almost certainly only embitter some of our DU family who see this sort of narrative as crowing and disingenuous to then throw back every story that shows how Our Revolution and Sanders and Justice Dems, etc. are "losing" or "getting crushed" whatever else.


This is probably a very tiny moment in time to rejoice that we all(mostly) seem to be happy that Gillum is the candidate for Governor.

[Gothmog]

51. African American voters gave Gillium the victory

Do you really think that sanders has any real pull with the demographic?

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

53. I don't know how it all broke down and I'm not making any claims one way or the other. nt

[Gothmog]

60. Really?

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

71. Where did Sanders do that? Who is Maggie Klaus and why do I care what she tweets? nt

[Gothmog]

72. From Lawrence O'Donnel

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

74. okay Goth, so you don't have something to point to where Sanders assumed credit? nt

[Gothmog]

75. Read the numerous threads from the sanders supporters

Did you read the OP of this thread?. According to the OP, Sanders is solely responsible for Gillum's win. An endorsement from sanders is not magical.

[JCanete]

77. I myself took issue with those. Is Sanders his supporters? Are we the Borg?

[Gothmog]

81. I really do not care

There have been a number of threads where sanders supporters all claim that sanders is the sole reason why Gillum won. Soros and Steyer both contributed a ton of money and help. Gillum ran a good campaign but for some reason, sanders is magical and his endorsement is being credited as the only reason why Gillum won. sanders is not magical and his endorsement is not the reason why Gillum won.

The data that I have seen indicates that African American turnout was key to Gillum's win. I hate to break it to you but sanders carries little or no weight in that demographic group. Heck, sanders refusal to stop his delegates from booing Congressman John Lewis will come up if sanders runs in 2020.

I remember Gillum speaking on behalf Hillary Clinton at the national convention. Gillum was a Clinton delegate.

I will probably contribute to Gillum but I will not do so through the sanders e-mail blast.

[JCanete]

82. you don't care that the tweat you posted had nothing to do with reality and was a baseless

accusation?

[Gothmog]

90. Do you tire of being wrong?

I enjoy your posts.. Have you tried reading the OP and all of of the other threads where sanders is credited with Gillum's win. Those claims are pure BS but sanders is fundraising off Gillum's win. If you like Gillum, give bernie money and he may use his magic to help Gillum. The appeal is rather sad but funny. I would not hold my breath on sanders actually giving Gillum any money Luckily Soros and Steyer are actually supporting Gillum and have given Gillum cash and logistic support

There are several threads on DU with sanders claiming credit for Gillum win. Why don't you read those threads?

I still remember this speech from the National Convention

BTW, Gillum has made it clear that he is not a sanders clone and won this race on his own

Link to tweet

Again, I really enjoy your posts. I am not sure what I would do if you were ever not wrong on a post.

[JCanete]

92. Trust me I tire of being wrong really quickly. And when I recognize that I'm wrong,

either on the facts, my interpretation of a posters words, or my own tone, I own up to it and even sometimes feel the need to apologize. You could find examples in my history.

You on the other hand....

As far as I know you have never on this board been wrong when engaged in a discussion with somebody who you have an ideological disagreement with, or certainly you have not been wrong to your own knowledge. Maybe I just missed those moments and I hope so. If not though, that's kind of depressing. You're either this amazing genius who's always on the right side of the facts, and hopefully one day I just catch up to seeing your "real world" as it apparently is, or you, like other people we all know, see weakness in admitting mistakes.

When Sanders claims credit for this win then you will be right, retroactively.

Until then, pointing to others who have claimed this to be his win does not effectively indict him for the act by association. If you actually have a link where words are either typed by Sanders or come out of his mouth that even insinuate what you're saying he's saying, I'll retract that this is an outright fabrication.

As to the issue of credit, I've posted in two separate threads that were started(this being one of them) where the original posters were simply using news headlines in their op titles, which did give Sanders credit and made it sound like Gillum owed Sanders endorsement the credit for the win, and I objected to them both. One of us isn't quite as partisanly predictable as the other when it comes to our posts....I wonder which one that is.

[Gothmog]

95. I really am amused by posters who think that their opinions without facts are meaningful

I live in the real world. That is a place where magic does not work and where facts matter. In the real world the opinion of a lay person or non-expert without facts are meaningless. Have you consider reading up on the issues and attempting to use facts to back up your opinions?

The sanders supporters are all claiming that Gillum won solely due to sanders which is silly and wrong. The OP on this thread is about sanders being responsible for Gillum's win. Sanders is fundraising off Gillum's win and claims that the may give a portion of the money he raises to Gillum (no one believes this) or that sanders will use his magic to help sanders. If you gave money to campaigns in the real world you would be getting these e-mails. Why is sanders fundraising off of Gillum's win if he is not taking credit. The best way to see what bernie cares about is to watch his fundraising appeal (bernie needs money for his silly institute and to pay Jane's kids). Read the OP and the other numerous posts For example you have not posted on these threads https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016214613 or this thread https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016214574 or https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1280223115 or https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016214574 or https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10456719 or https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211066466 or https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211066194

I would love to see you read up on the issues and attempt to understand what is going on. Here you are ignoring many threads on DU about sanders being responsible for Gillum's win. I disagree with these claims. Magic does not work in the real world. A simple endorsement by sanders was not the reason why Gillum won. I doubt that sanders will be providing any financial help to the Gillum campaign.

I am glad that Soros and Steyer are supporting Gillum and the Gillum has raised a great deal of money outside the sanders efforts. Money makes a difference. I am hoping that Soros will get involved in some races that I am working on. In 2016, Soros backed Kim Ogg for Harris County DA and as a result we have unofficial decrim of pot and bail reform. The real world is a nice place but magic does not work. It takes hard work to win races. We have a number of candidates in Texas in red districts who are out raising their GOP opponents. Beto is beating Carnival Cruz badly in fundraising. There are seven or so Texas congressional races where the Democrats have out raised the incumbent GOP candidate. That takes work and not magic.

In the real world a non-expert opinion is not given any weight. In the real world magic does not work and sanders platform can only be adopted in the real world with the aid of a magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions of new voters rise up and demand that the GOP be nice to sanders. I am still waiting for you to tell us exactly how many new voters sanders is promising us in this magical voter revolution. Is sanders promising millions of new voters or billions of new voters or trillions of new voters. I can not determine what sanders has in mind and would love an answer to this question.

[JCanete]

97. again, I don't know why you don't understand this and its starting to make me a little worried, but

your tweat literally declared that Sanders was taking credit, and since then, you posted the same, and now, your defense of that continues to be that posters here and articles they've posted have claimed that Sanders should get credit. If that's what you are going to use to support your claim that Sanders has claimed credit directly, I have nothing left. You literally just cited the OP again as if it and all of us are Sanders. The whole left-wing world and parts of the media are Sanders. Its S for Sandetta!


In the real world, if this accounts for expertise, we're in trouble.

Now the only thing you've said in a huge fucking block of the same repetitive screed, which does not address the core of your own accusation to support it in any way, is that Sanders is raising money from the Gillum win.

Here below is Sanders fundraising pitch. Nowhere does Sanders claim credit for Gillum's win in it. If Gillum had a problem with Sanders fundraising for him and progressive causes, hopefully he would say so. If he did at any point, then obviously Sanders should desist, but that doesn't seem to be at all what is happening. As to your other baseless shade that Sanders is probably not going to contribute to Gillum's campaign, that's just you wearing your shade of glasses.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/08/29/bernie-sanders-to-supporters-in-fundraising-pitch-you-are-going-to-love-andrew-gillum/

To save yourself time, if you're just going to repeat yourself in response, just cut and paste your last post, because if I see the same unrelated filibuster, I'm not going to read it.

[Gothmog]

98. I am also very worried about people who believe in magic and magical voter revolutions

Why is sanders raising money off Gillum and does anyone believe that sanders will be giving Gillum any money. Sanders is trying to make money off of his support of Gillum for a reason. If you do not understand this, then I am amused. Sanders has a number of expense and so I doubt that he will contribute a dime to Gillum Sanders has to keep on paying Jane's kids who are working for the sanders institute and other similar scams. If you really think that sanders will be contribution to Gillum, then I have some clients with stock in a company called Enron that they would like to talk to you about/ I really enjoy your posts, Thank you for the laughs

Your fellow members of the bernie borg collectives are convinced that sanders is the reason for Gillum's win. Have you even posted on the threads that I listed Gillum won on his own and the OP and the numerous threads from sanders supporters amuses me. I wonder why you have not posted in the threads that Identify?

Again, magic does not work in the real world. I do not believe in magic and so I never took sanders seriously. It takes hard work to make a difference in real world. I am still waiting for your answer to my simple question about the sanders magical voter revolution. I do not believe in magic and so I need you to explain to me how this magical voter revolution works. You keep on ducking this question. I wonder why? Are you ashamed of your belief in magic? In the real world, none of sanders proposals can be adopted without sanders' magical voter revolution. If you can prove to me that magic exists and works, I may change my mind about sanders.

In the mean time, I am really hopeful that Soros will be getting involved in some races that I am working on. Soros has a track record and can make a difference in the real world. It was Soros who helped Gillum and I hope that Soros will help in some races that I am working on. It takes people like Soros to make a difference in the real world.

The real world is a nice place even if magic does not work. Come visit.

[George II]

99. That's the thing, he's capitalizing on Gillum's victory to raise money for himself.

[ehrnst]

94. Because you say so? (nt)

[Gothmog]

96. In the real world one uses facts in these discussions

In the real world, magic does not work.

I like living in the real world. It takes hard work but you do see results.

[JCanete]

100. feel free to correct the record. nt

[ehrnst]

101. Feel free to back up your claims of "baseless allegations." nt

[JCanete]

102. If you claim that the moon is made of cheese I shouldn't have to go to the moon to prove to you that

it isn't. Where is your evidence that the moon is made of cheese?

Goth has reposted the allegation, and made it numerous times himself that Sanders has claimed responsibility for Gillum's win. I cannot prove that it never happened using deductive reasoning because I don't have every single second of Sanders day and statement logs. However, its Goth making the claim. if it happened and Goth knows it happened, Goth can produce it...or hey, you can produce it, since you decided to champion this folly. I promise you, I will eat my words if I'm proven to be wrong, but I'm not going to continue to argue with people who refuse to produce the body.

[Gothmog]

108. Gillum does not need to rely on sanders fundraising in the real world

This makes me smile and none of this is from bernie https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/andrew-gillum-fundraising-haul/index.html

Andrew Gillum, who won the Democratic primary for Florida governor in a stunning upset Tuesday, raised $1 million in the first 24 hours after his nomination, according to spokesperson Geoff Burgan.

Gillum, the mayor of Tallahassee, Fla., is Florida's first African-American major-party nominee for governor and is a progressive backed by independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. He was the only leading Democrat in his primary to endorse "Medicare-for-all" single-payer health care, a top progressive agenda item and the policy most famously championed by Sanders.

An early underdog in a crowded field, the 39-year-old edged out former Rep. Gwen Graham to capture the gubernatorial nomination with the support of grass-roots Florida progressives.

He was also backed by a coalition of groups like the Collective PAC, which is dedicated to elevating African-American candidates; Indivisible, an organization formed in response to President Donald Trump's election in 2016; and the Working Families Party.

Sanders is not magical and magic does not work in the real world. Here Gillum is doing great without sanders

[JCanete]

113. ??? but the magic though...

[Gothmog]

114. Magic does not work in the real world

Sanders is not helping Gillum in raising the $1 million raised this week. Do you really believe that sanders will not be using this money to pay Jane's kids salary at the sanders institute?

Magic does not work in the real world which is why I never took sanders seriously.

You need to explain to me how magic works. I know that sanders promised a magical voter revolution and that without that revolution, none of his proposals could be adopted in the real world. How many new voters did sanders need for this revolution to work? P

[JCanete]

115. but there will still be unicorns though....

[Gothmog]

117. Can unicorns vote? Are unicorns voting part of the sanders magical voter revolution?

I like living in the real world where magic does not exist. The sanders magical voter revolution never made any sense to me and so I never took sanders seriously as a candidate. None of sanders' proposals could be adopted in the real world without the aide of a magical voter revolution.

Did sanders intend that millions or billions or trillions of unicorns show up and register to vote? Please explain how this magical voter revolution was supposed to work.

[ehrnst]

110. I can see his claiming credit with my own eyes.

I know that doesn't matter to someone to whom Sanders is considered to be above base political motives, so the demand of "absolute proof" when you will reject anything but Sanders saying, word for word, "I am taking credit for Gillum's win in the primary," is really not flying.

And if he did say that, I predict you would not eat your words, but somehow try to defend him as "being more honest than establishment Democrats ever would be!"

Your rejection of any hint of dissent from Senator Sanders' M4A plan, no matter the source, as "attacks on his efforts to get healthcare for everyone!" back that prediction up.

[JCanete]

112. You see it with your own eyes? What is he winking in morse?

I don't say any criticism of Sanders plan is an attack. Factcheck wasn't attacking Sanders plan. It was just doing a weird ass thing of trying to shelter the intent of the study, even though its abstract ran with numbers that clearly said soemthing other than that intent. I'm not particularly interested in them trying really hard to let us know that "but they really didn't mean to say what they accidentally said..."

Tapper unfortunatley took that study and first, regurgitated it, citing the government spending without context of actual healthcare spending in this nation, and second, said a couple of times..."No...that's not true.....at least according to the author..." well is he a reporter or does he just ask for people to do his job for him?

But hey, if neither of us trust that the other person is going to engage in this discussion sincerely, I'm certainly goig to put a lot less effort into trying to explain to you my point of view. We can keep our conversations to snarky exchanges. I'm not going to go 4 posts deep with you any more, and I think we'll both be better off for it.

[ehrnst]

116. "Shelter the intent of the study." OK whatever, JCanete...

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They went to the author to determine what the "intent" of what the author was communicating concerning the findings of the study, and reported the author's responses, verbatim. Sort of the opposite of "sheltering" the intent of the study, isn't it? Particularly when they stated that they were not making any claims about the validity of either the Mercatus study or M4A.



What motives would factcheck.org, Jake Tapper, CNN, WAPO and Politifact have to do this "weird ass thing" which you are clearly describing as something sinister concerning the Sanders plan?

When I asked that, I don't get any answers from anyone. Well, one person said that because Jake Tapper has health care insurance, he just doesn't care about anyone who doesn't, so he's trying to undermine Sanders.

But hey, if you can't answer that, I totally get why. You have revealed your point of view very, very, very clearly. Senator Sanders is known for associating himself with candidates late in their campaign then claiming their win as due to him. Remember, he endorsed Stacey Abrams on Thursday before the Tuesday primary, and now she is featured prominently in his "win" column.

And yes, of course Sanders winks at me in morse code. He cares that much about me as an individual, much much more than any politician ever has ever, and ever ever will.



Here's one way to save you the stress of seeing my POV:

[JCanete]

118. It is actually reall quite simple and we see it here all the time. Factcheck.org is, like every

organization, peopled by of all things, people. People have implicit biases, and it should not be a surprise to you that people with a certain bias are seen by others with that same bias as having a particularly objective lens. It looks and sounds like reality to them.

That's one of the reasons white privilege is so prevalent and so invisible to white people most of the time, and so institutionalized.


As to what an author says versus what their numbers report, this seems like a no brainer to me. If I were to do a study about there being no fish in the sea, and in the abstract I explained, that every time we trolled for fish, we only came up with 50 to 60 vertebrate life-forms with fins and gills but no fish, and then some dumb marine biologist seized on that to say "Josh, aside from your indiscriminate and irresponsible damage to ocean sea-life, I would like to thank you for finally putting to bed your theory about whether or not there are fish in the sea, because you just reported on finding 50 to 60 of them every time you cast a net...."


The appropriate response by a factcheck organization is not to go out and say...."well, we make no claims about whether or not there are or are not fish in the sea, but we asked Josh if he intended to suggest with his findings that there were in-fact fish. He said an emphatic No. So we're calling that a half-truth on the part of the marine-biologist, because the data included is not intended to be interpreted as the marine biologist interpreted it."


Sanders didn't claim this win, nor have I seen him claim Ocasio's win. I haven't seen him claim responsibility for anybody's win, but I guess maybe he does wink directly at you in morse. To act like its enough to just feel like he's done that is gives me a truthiness vibe. If you dont' have the goods, maybe don't make the claim.

[Gothmog]

109. Do not hold your breath

I am still waiting on an explanation as to how magic works and how many new votes were supposed to appear in sanders magical voter revolution. Sanders campaigned on such a revolution and without such a revolution, none of sanders proposals could be adopted. I really want to know know how many new voters were supposed to show up for this revolution. Is is millions of new voters or billiions or trillions of new voters.

I do not understand how magic works

[ehrnst]

111. Many others are waiting for something other than

a curt "I'm not going to speculate on that, but I can tell you this, the oligharchy..."

One who never expects to have to deliver on a promise can wave away such questions. See also, Jill Stein.

[Cha]

87. Thank You, Goth! LO'D is into Reality. AG is Not a BS clone.

He's his own man and he's a Uniter.

Gillum was just interviewed on CNN - he said this was a win for "the Barack Obama wing.....

....the Hillary Clinton wing, and the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party."

They also did an analysis on CNN of the victory, and say it was because of the overwhelming black turnout for him in the state.

It's a truly broad-based win for the entire Democratic Party and Gillum.

George https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2146130

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https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/08/29/how-the-black-vote-carried-andrew-gillum-to-victory/

[Gothmog]

91. You are using facts against a silly talking point

Good job

[Gothmog]

70. Magic does not work in the real world

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[SidDithers]

37. Oh FFS...

Sid

[ecstatic]

47. This seems divisive. The article seem to be saying that Gillum's victory

is only due to a white guy (Sanders) helping him. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Gothmog]

49. No, you are correct

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[RandySF]

52. His troops faltered elsewhere

Even lost the hotly contested Senate District 8 race. I think a lot of people voted for Gillum and left the rest of the ballot alone.

[David__77]

55. I guess that political writers like to keep busy.

The fact is that Bernie Sanders is endorsing many candidates across the U.S., and some have won and some have not.

I think it's great that a candidate like Gillum is garnering support from so many.

[pnwmom]

65. Gillum's campaign was surging when Bernie hopped aboard.

Gillum himself had endorsed Hillary for President, so I don't know why this is considered a big win for Bernie.

Both Gillum and Graham served as delegates for Hillary in 2016, so she didn't prefer one over the other in this campaign.

[all american girl]

69. This narrative needs to stop

A black man did all the work and won, but you and the media are giving the credit to a white man who showed up one time and said hi. This was the hard work of Gillum and his supporters, sanders had exactly nothing to do with it.

[Cha]

86. Yes, this Bull Spin needs to stop right now. It was Africans

American Voters and especially the Women who surged Andrew to Victory. And, it's all over Twitter.. they weren't there because of BS.. they were there for Andrew.

Gillum was just interviewed on CNN - he said this was a win for "the Barack Obama wing.....

....the Hillary Clinton wing, and the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party."

They also did an analysis on CNN of the victory, and say it was because of the overwhelming black turnout for him in the state.

It's a truly broad-based win for the entire Democratic Party and Gillum.

George https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2146130

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/08/29/how-the-black-vote-carried-andrew-gillum-to-victory/

And, Larry O'Donnell has this to say..

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Thank You, all American girl!

[all american girl]

93. No, Thank you Cha

You always bring the receipts. Love you for that.

Cha!!!!!

[Cha]

107. You're

all American girl

[lillypaddle]

73. Wait. What???

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[Cha]

88. Mahalo, lillypaddle, for MrWeeks!

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[jalan48]

76. I wouldn't say Bernie as much as I would the Progressive wing of the Party.

[lunamagica]

79. It was black voters, esp. black women who delivered the win. They were Hillary's base

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[jalan48]

80. Well, if it only takes black voters for him to win in November things should be a slam dunk.

[Cha]

89. Yes, the African Americans especially Women who Surged AG ahead are our

Democratic Base.. Hillary and President Obama voters, Luna!

And, Andrew himself made it Clear who he is..

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[Power 2 the People]

78. What a great win for us.

GO BLUE!