Is anyone tired of the media saying we need to get along, we need to reach across the aisle and

[SamKnause]

we need to compromise ???


I am fucking sick of hearing it !!!

Did John Boehner reach across the aisle and compromise when Obama was president ??? Fuck no !!!

Did Mitch McConnell reach across the aisle when Obama was president ??? Fuck no !!!

Did the republicans reach across the aisle when Obama was the president ??? Fuck no !!!

Did the republicans compromise when Obama was president ??? Fuck no !!!

From day one it was the republicans plan to stop Obama from accomplishing anything and

making him a one term president.

It is apparent republicans think the definition of compromise means giving them everything they want,

and stopping the Democratic party from getting anything done that the MAJORITY of Americans want and need.

The republican party is now the party of Trump.

Do you reach across the aisle to insane people ???

Do you compromise with insane people ???

Do you enable corruption ???

Do you ignore the lies ???

As I type this I am listening to MSNBC and they are talking about compromise.

The Trump party has no intention of compromising or reaching across the aisle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why should the Democratic party be expected to do so ???

[rainin]

1. Someone steals 1/2 million. You aren't a thief. Split the difference and call it a day.

Negotiating with wrong doesn't make it right.

[msongs]

2. "we" just gave them a bunch of uncontested judgeships. does that count? nt

[SamKnause]

6. I am confused by your question.

Do you want to compromise and reach across the aisle with the Trump party ???

From what I understand we cannot stop them at this point, but we can slow them down

as far as appointing judges goes.

It seems Chuck Schumer did not even want to do that.

This does not pertain to Brett Kavanaugh.

From what I understand there is nothing we can do to stop his appointment.

[Arkansas Granny]

3. It would be well for them to remember what happened when Obama tried to reach across the aisle.

Republicans rebuff Obama in meeting on SCOTUS nomination

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/271286-no-signs-of-breakthrough-in-scotus-stalemate

GOP rebuffs Obama's entreaties to fix health law

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/gop-obamacare-230124

5 Ways Obama Tries to Work With Republicans and is Rejected

https://mic.com/articles/22662/5-ways-obama-tries-to-work-with-republicans-and-is-rejected#.nhTWnwCzm

[BigmanPigman]

7. I wished that Obama had not reached across the isle year in and

year out. After he reached the GOP bit his hand but he kept trying and they kept biting.

I haven't heard the media saying it NOW though. Which media outlets are saying this?

[SamKnause]

10. Thanks for your input and links.

[Garrett78]

57. This is what compromise has looked like in recent decades:

[Arkansas Granny]

59. Yes, it has looked very much like that.

[niyad]

4. I do not compromise with those who are engineering the destruction of all I hold dear.

[SamKnause]

14. That is how I feel.

1/2 of a shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich.

[BeyondGeography]

5. Great OP

The problem is Democratic politicians don’t talk like that. They’re the reasonable ones, you see. They never call the problem by its name. Like our midterm campaign theme: Culture of Corruption. Would it kill us to say “Culture of Republican Corruption,” or “GOP Culture of Corruption”? Nah. Keep it generic; people will intuitively know who the bad guys are. Right?

[SamKnause]

9. Thanks for the compliment.

Well they need to start talking like that.

They need to grow a spine and fight for this country.

The destruction the Trump party is causing will take generations to repair.

I lay much of the blame at the feet of the Democratic party.

They have allowed the republicans and the Trump party to marginalize them for decades.

[LenaBaby61]

38. They need to grow a spine and fight for this country.

THIS^^^^ is not going to happen anytime soon.

IE: Chuck Schumer.

[Angry Dragon]

8. Kick for exposure

[SamKnause]

11. Thank you.

[world wide wally]

12. Why is this question being asked?

What did Trump offer to Dems?

[SamKnause]

15. Because the media talks about it nonstop.

MSNBC was talking about it while I was typing the post.

Because the political pundits talk about it nonstop.

They never mention how Obama was treated.

They just keep saying we need to compromise and reach across the aisle.

It was said numerous times during the McCain funeral today.

[world wide wally]

17. Trump has NEVER showed even a modicum of interest in ever compromising on anything

[SamKnause]

18. I am fully aware.

It seems the media and the political pundits are unaware.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

44. background billionaires

Why wouldn't "the media" urge us to compromise? The billionaires club has been getting more and more of what they want since the days of Rotten Ronnie. How many tv networks are owned by middle class earners?

The Fox cultists vote to give more money and power to the same ruthless, selfish people who will replace them with robots as soon as it is cheaper than exporting those jobs. So-called mainstream media goes for the money (see CBS -- https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464 ) and has been drooling over Fox's ratings, influence, and money.

Stop paying for tv against your interests. Stop paying advertisers who use your money against your interests. Shut the whole damned thing down until Citizens United is overturned.

[lunasun]

58. Huh? Why? What for? No way

[vlyons]

13. If only we could!

If only we could find willing partners, who were willing to transcend ideology to achieve benefit for the American people. It's nor impossible.

[LAS14]

45. Agreed. I keep watching and waiting. nt

[LenaBaby61]

50. "It's not impossible."

Yes it is quite impossible with that bunch you have in there. IE: Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan & the rest of the thuglican party AND of course tRump won't reach across the isle because they're evil, rotten, treasonous assholes who only care about this country's wealthiest, like themselves. tRump's totally owned by putin (kompromat), who wants to destroy this country's institutions and pit it's citizens against each other (putin promotes racism). putin wants the USA to be as broken and busted as ruSSia is outside of St. Petersberg and Moscow.

[vlyons]

60. as long as you think that it's impossible

then so it will be. Challenge yourself to imagine possibilities beyond today's obstacles.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

16. Yes! It always means getting screwed!

[Mr. Ected]

19. Under 8 years of Obama, including the Tea Freaking Party

Never ONCE did I hear the media say that the "disgruntled" folks on the right needed to try to get along with Democratic leadership and policies.

Not. One. Time.

[SamKnause]

20. Exactly.

[mythology]

21. An eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind

[SamKnause]

22. Allowing the republicans to stomp all over us leaves us bruised and ineffective.

It causes harm and death to the citizens of the country to allow republicans to continue down this destructive path.

[pecosbob]

23. Almost as tired as I am of hearing that Dems must move to the center...

Dems are currently further to the right than the GOP was in 1960.

[SamKnause]

25. Exactly.

[Roadside Attraction]

28. Which puts the GOP . . .

. . . somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun

[pecosbob]

33. Yeah...you kind of have to say full-on Nazi at this point

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. i was a moderate. the posts were moved

Sometime during Obama's first term, my daughter surprised me with, "You claim to be a moderate but all the things you are for in your political rants sound very leftist liberal to me." I explained to her that my views have not changed since the late '60s. The country's political landscape has been shoved hard right by a relentless propaganda machine and unending attacks on education.

Thus, "the Prog" in my chosen pseudonym.

Power to the people who do the work. Don't let the parasitic 1% consolidate power.

[True Blue American]

24. Yes,I am also tired of Ind.

Telling Democrats need to go high. That does not work on bullies. They only get worse.

I think the media has now decided it is time,too. They are. Now calling a lie a lie. Trump has lost the fear factor. He has denounced so many they now hit back,or make fun of him..

[SamKnause]

26. Ind ???

I don't know what that is.

I agree with the rest of your post.

[True Blue American]

41. Independent.

They seem to delight in telling Democrats they have to be nice.

They do not understand you can fight back without getting down in the muck with Trump and Republicans. Nice is not winning against these coruupt crooks.

[SamKnause]

49. I thought that was what it meant, but I wanted to be sure.

[Roadside Attraction]

27. Now, now . . .

I'm all in favor of reaching across the aisle - - - with brass knuckles and a big stick.

[True Blue American]

42. That works!

[saidsimplesimon]

29. Republican leadership has

abandoned the charade of decency. It would be insane for Democrats to think that further compromise would reflect anything other than their own lack of courage to stand up for our values. imo

[Honeycombe8]

30. 1. What media says that repeatedly?

Please post your link.

2. As I recall, John Boehner did respond when Obama attempted to work with the Repubs. But Boehner, who was establishment Repub, was dealing with a group of alt-righters. They eventually ousted Boehner.

Boehner was one of the few Repubs who answered like a human being when asked whether Obama was born in Hawaii. He said something like, "Hawaii says so. So I take Hawaii at its word."


But those were more normal times. These are no longer normal times. The House of Rep Republicans are Russian aiders & abetters, and some are traitors. There can be, and will be, no working with them. We can possibly work with some of the establishment Republicans, and in fact, we NEED them, just as they need us.

Same with the Senate.

But the Democratic politicians will need to be very tough, and prepared for a long drawn-out fight. No fear in calling things out and speaking straight to the public. We are NOT dealing with an ethical, honest administration or some in Congress.

[SamKnause]

35. CNN and MSNBC is what I listen to all day and night.

I am a news and political junkie.

The political pundits say it daily.

MSNBC mentioned it while I was writing this post.

They mentioned it again while I was responding to some of the replies.

It was mentioned during the McCain funeral numerous times.

Boehner saying "Hawaii says so", is not reaching across the aisle or compromising.

[Honeycombe8]

40. I'm a news and political junkie.

On "news" airings, they don't issue opinion. It's news.

The talk shows, which are not news, those people issue opinions.

I haven't heard anyone on MSNBC say the Dem politicians should work with Repubs right now, since the Trumpers have them captive. I haven't heard CNN shows say that, either.

That's why I asked.

In government, generally speaking, each side has to work with the other, to get things done...in normal times. These are not normal times, of course. So that doesn't apply.

If we get control of the House & pick up some seats in the Senate, our politicians should, and will, try to work with establishment Repubs, because those WILL work with Dems on some things. That's how our government system is set up to work.

Yes..Boehner answering that question honestly, when almost no other Repub would, does show he was friendly with and working with Obama. Maybe you don't know that they're friends? Boehner went to the W H on more than occasion to socialize with Obama...watch a movie, dinner, whatever. So yeah...Boehner did what he could, for some things. But he can't do anything without the agreement of the Repubs, and the alt-right was in a fight for control of the Repub Party. They won and kicked Boehner out of his speakership.

[True Blue American]

43. Huh?

Boehner was rude enough to get up and walk out of a WH meeting with President Obama right in the middle of a meeting!

[Honeycombe8]

47. And?

So they had a disagreement or Boehner got miffed at something.

But they are friends. Boehner went to the W H on some occasions just socially.

There were plenty of Repubs who were total obstructionists. Boehner wasn't one of them.

But there are policy differences and ideological differences where the 2 parties won't or can't agree on.

[FiveGoodMen]

31. We need to reach across the aisle with a flame-thrower

[SergeStorms]

32. Since the late 60s...

Democrats have been viewed as the "peaceniks", the party of live and let live, the party of compromise solution - even if it means sacrificing our ideals.

Fuck that shit. They call us "socialists". We must always refer to them as "fascists", because that's exactly what they are.

No more Mr. Nice Guy.

[NewJeffCT]

34. Why shake hands with a scorpion?

I would say

[pecosbob]

36. I would just say that I'm tired of the corporate media...period.

I'm tired of their continued normalization of Republican criminality. One reason I cut the cable.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. The same media says

Democratic Party should be putting impeachment front and center.

Yeah - they are in charge with all of the power so they have to reach out.

[Ford_Prefect]

39. My reach across the Aisle would involve items not intended to promote dialog.

[mudstump]

46. We'll compromise and get along when...

the war against these wingers in won.

[Power 2 the People]

48. You're right Sam

In 2018 and 2020 we need to go bold. Unapologetic Democratic ideals. No compromise.

[Hulk]

52. Amen!!

+1

[kurtcagle]

53. Second chance, yes, third chance, not going to happen.

The thing about compromise is that it is a strategy. I will agree to this concession if you agree to that one. When one party honors the agreement while the other refuses to honor that agreement, this becomes a debit in trust. That is the foundation of all transactions, and the COST of that transaction to the betrayer is higher next time.

The strategy that Democrats typically take is to treat their counterparts across the aisle as if they are initially trustworthy, but to ratchet down that trust with every betrayed vote. That means that they will still concede something, but the value of that concession decreases over time. On the other hand, trust can be built up as well.

The Republicans, on the other hand, will only negotiate from a position of strength, and they regard compromise of any sort as losing face. You see that in their strategies over and over again. It's why they are so hideously bad at governing - they are so afraid of being seen as weak that they can only get legislation through by subverting members of the opposition. The problem with this is that the same trust dynamic that plays at the party level also plays at the representative level. You may get a better deal from the other side, but do that too often and you will be given less trust within the party itself.

I think Democrats will compromise as a matter of course, but the key is really whether the things they have compromised on have value. At this point, they are in the minority, but memories are long.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

54. K&R, good summary post.

I was in turmoil for many years over the personality type that's characteristic of our typical Republican politician and voter. Back in the 90s, I finally found some good articles by psychologists that had studied this mystery, and that gave me some ease.

This personality type thrives on having a strict authoritarian hierarchy in place, and it spans across their family, their religion, and their political and business support structures. Usually, those mental structures are cast in stone and highly resistant to change. Therefore, their irreversible worship of Reagan and the Graham preachers. Also seen in other nations like the UK with their Tories, so it's not unique to us.

Hard-core attachment (and dependency) to those structures also means blindly accepting the policy dictates from their political parties, church elders, family elders, etc. - with questions or debate rarely allowed.

This view also explains their preference to socially remain within their own information bubbles such as those offered by Faux News and several others. They do not comprehend or accept criticism of their structures, belief and policies because that would endanger the hierarchical structure.

I'm no psychologist or political scientist but instead have a burning curiosity about anything not mostly understood. Much of this still remains a mystery......

[UTUSN]

55. K&R

[spanone]

56. I'm tired of hearing 'both sides'.. who do we have equivalent to the orange, lying POS?

[D23MIURG23]

61. The republicans are the enemy.

They are illegitimate and should be removed from power and eliminated.

We may need two parties in this country, but one of them shouldn't be the republican party. They lost any claim to legitimacy when they decided to partner with the russian mafia.